Thanks for your responses. Got to do the day job stuff so can't focus on this much but I'm using
cgminer-3-7-2-gridseed-windows.
I was thinking if I tried one of those dual mode set ups for it that might force it into sha256 mode. No reason why not to use them for dual mode.
I also did a screen capture from a video that had a bunch of different batch file switches that I wasn't using.