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February 17, 2017, 08:01:40 PM
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As my observations, some of the banks are bankrupt without any valid reason, without making some announcements and they are not trusted. People deposited in a bank in a way that their money is safe there, they think that they are trusted but they actually dont know that they are wrong. Some banks their is like a bubble it disappear and well sorry for your money, it will all gone and never came back. But there are some banks also that are big, famous and trusted one, so choose the best one
because the banks are third parties who at any time could be a scam. in my country there have individual bank, after the bank was quite large, then the owner went to bring the majority of bank funds. Here it is scary

they can't directly scam you, when they took your money away is because they are insolvent and they are going to declare bankrupt, this is the only case where they will lose your money and can't afford to pay back
The banking system will never lose and I have made sure that they insure many times to protect you, and only then will take any decisions. People are practically robbing, if you look at the percentage of transactions and loans.
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February 17, 2017, 08:04:45 PM
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I trust only banks which ran by government private banks take your money to cover their profits on way or another.
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February 17, 2017, 08:15:15 PM
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Depending the bank I trust it. I must say they are less risk than bitcoins. There is a contract which you sign and it guarantees you refund if something unexpected happens. It gives me security, but low profit. The average, good profit is in bitcoins.
Storing my money at those banks I know the money is safe there, I trust them because of it.

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February 17, 2017, 09:17:17 PM
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Depending the bank I trust it. I must say they are less risk than bitcoins. There is a contract which you sign and it guarantees you refund if something unexpected happens. It gives me security, but low profit. The average, good profit is in bitcoins.
Storing my money at those banks I know the money is safe there, I trust them because of it.
Here I agree with you completely. First, no one is forcing to go to the bank, and secondly if there are problems that a client already violates the contract and not the banks. It is very rare when banks begin to invent something to customer deception. So if the bank is not a swindler or pyramid, the zero risk.
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February 17, 2017, 10:15:05 PM
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I trust only banks which ran by government private banks take your money to cover their profits on way or another.
State banks will never fall, but the fact is that if you invest money in them, then the interest rates will be considerably lower than in the comercial. Therefore, the choice does everyone here. While agree that the risk of losing their savings to a minimum.
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February 17, 2017, 11:25:08 PM
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I trust only banks which ran by government private banks take your money to cover their profits on way or another.
I think anything under government will be reliable mate. the government will not likely do a scam, even the government is prepared to be responsible for all damages that causes by the bank
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February 18, 2017, 04:51:52 AM
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I trust only banks which ran by government private banks take your money to cover their profits on way or another.
I think anything under government will be reliable mate. the government will not likely do a scam, even the government is prepared to be responsible for all damages that causes by the bank
I agree, indeed state-owned banks are the best because they are not too concerned about how much profit they earn each month from administrative fees or interest on loans. so I think we better we trust in state-owned banks but do not trust the other banks.


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February 18, 2017, 06:50:49 AM
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I trust only banks which ran by government private banks take your money to cover their profits on way or another.
I think anything under government will be reliable mate. the government will not likely do a scam, even the government is prepared to be responsible for all damages that causes by the bank
I agree, indeed state-owned banks are the best because they are not too concerned about how much profit they earn each month from administrative fees or interest on loans. so I think we better we trust in state-owned banks but do not trust the other banks.
yes that is right banks are trusted, because they are under government supervision. and we can fully trust on bitcoin. although banks have a such a long process and now people want to avoid these process therefore bitcoin is in fact a good option with them.
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February 18, 2017, 07:24:21 AM
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Depending the bank I trust it. I must say they are less risk than bitcoins. There is a contract which you sign and it guarantees you refund if something unexpected happens. It gives me security, but low profit. The average, good profit is in bitcoins.
Storing my money at those banks I know the money is safe there, I trust them because of it.

I do choose also the banks that I'm going to trust. Actually there are banks here in my country which are trustworthy. Almost all of the commercial banks here are trustworthy depending on what service you got. Those banks that became bankrupt in the end are already closed. Still I do prefer to trust banks when it comes to my fiat management.

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February 18, 2017, 08:34:32 AM
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Depending the bank I trust it. I must say they are less risk than bitcoins. There is a contract which you sign and it guarantees you refund if something unexpected happens. It gives me security, but low profit. The average, good profit is in bitcoins.
Storing my money at those banks I know the money is safe there, I trust them because of it.

I do choose also the banks that I'm going to trust. Actually there are banks here in my country which are trustworthy. Almost all of the commercial banks here are trustworthy depending on what service you got. Those banks that became bankrupt in the end are already closed. Still I do prefer to trust banks when it comes to my fiat management.
I believe all banks are trustworthy, they are in the business of trust and they will have to maintain it in order to operate longer. Though we cannot deny the fact that they are also banks who violate the law but it's not our problem anymore, as a depositor, our money is insured and whatever happen to a certain bank we deposited our money with, we will surely gonna recover what we loss.

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February 18, 2017, 09:30:57 AM
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It's definitely concerning seeing some of the issues banks around the world are having. I try to not get trapped in the crypto negative bank echo chamber but it looks fairly bleak at times.

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February 18, 2017, 06:04:01 PM
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Depending the bank I trust it. I must say they are less risk than bitcoins. There is a contract which you sign and it guarantees you refund if something unexpected happens. It gives me security, but low profit. The average, good profit is in bitcoins.
Storing my money at those banks I know the money is safe there, I trust them because of it.

I do choose also the banks that I'm going to trust. Actually there are banks here in my country which are trustworthy. Almost all of the commercial banks here are trustworthy depending on what service you got. Those banks that became bankrupt in the end are already closed. Still I do prefer to trust banks when it comes to my fiat management.
I believe all banks are trustworthy, they are in the business of trust and they will have to maintain it in order to operate longer. Though we cannot deny the fact that they are also banks who violate the law but it's not our problem anymore, as a depositor, our money is insured and whatever happen to a certain bank we deposited our money with, we will surely gonna recover what we loss.
in fact banking system is present for a long time. government are supporting them and that is the reason that we can trust on banks. but now bitcoin is also becoming more and more popular and people are now investing money there. therefore bitcoin is also becoming reliable and trusted.
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February 18, 2017, 08:02:17 PM
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For OP

In addition, banks will classify you according to your credit rating. If your credit score is low, they will not value you.
Just because of this reason I use bitcoin. Each new bitcoin wallet is like a new bank account.

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February 18, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
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My bank closed my account last year for no reason, and all money in my account was gone. I argued with the bank, even contacted the local government, no use. My bank just stated that "Pursuant to the CMA Disclosure and Agreement, 'THE BANK, at its discretion, may elect not to accept an account, terminate the account agreement and the account agreements of any related parties'. Both parties to the agreements have the right to end the relationship at any time and neither is obliged to provide a basis for such a decision to terminate". No single word explaing the termination was given to me. I contacted all banking lawyers online, and they were all representing the bank, not the customers. The money I lost can buy a new Mercedes. However, banks around the world now are too powerful. They are too big to fail. When you open an account in the United States, and probably also many other countries, you voluntarily give up the rights to sue the bank under their arbitrage clause. Even worse, they define the financial laws and enforce them. They can close your account, freeze and steal your property and evict you from your house. The more money you deposit into your bank account, the more you are helping the evil. I'm glad to see Bitcoin is changing all of these. Let banks die!

Isn't there's some violation you did in the bank that you are talking about. Although I hate banks, but i know banks are very strict in terms of their rules and policies to their clients. and I think not all banks are evil maybe few of them where the bank is not well know in the business industry.
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February 19, 2017, 05:19:57 AM
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My bank closed my account last year for no reason, and all money in my account was gone. I argued with the bank, even contacted the local government, no use. My bank just stated that "Pursuant to the CMA Disclosure and Agreement, 'THE BANK, at its discretion, may elect not to accept an account, terminate the account agreement and the account agreements of any related parties'. Both parties to the agreements have the right to end the relationship at any time and neither is obliged to provide a basis for such a decision to terminate". No single word explaing the termination was given to me. I contacted all banking lawyers online, and they were all representing the bank, not the customers. The money I lost can buy a new Mercedes. However, banks around the world now are too powerful. They are too big to fail. When you open an account in the United States, and probably also many other countries, you voluntarily give up the rights to sue the bank under their arbitrage clause. Even worse, they define the financial laws and enforce them. They can close your account, freeze and steal your property and evict you from your house. The more money you deposit into your bank account, the more you are helping the evil. I'm glad to see Bitcoin is changing all of these. Let banks die!

Isn't there's some violation you did in the bank that you are talking about. Although I hate banks, but i know banks are very strict in terms of their rules and policies to their clients. and I think not all banks are evil maybe few of them where the bank is not well know in the business industry.
The statement might not be true, I know banking laws and they do not just close or freeze an account without court order or a valid reason. As a depositor, you have the right to ask explanation why your account was close and funds are on freeze, if they do not explain you well then they might be operating illegally and you can always ask assistance on that matter.
The central bank will help you on that as their job is to monitor the compliance of banks under the laws and regulations.

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February 19, 2017, 06:13:09 AM
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I trust only banks which ran by government private banks take your money to cover their profits on way or another.
State banks will never fall, but the fact is that if you invest money in them, then the interest rates will be considerably lower than in the comercial. Therefore, the choice does everyone here. While agree that the risk of losing their savings to a minimum.
I think this is not about great interest given by banks. but I think all the banks under the government in each country. all banks are among the most secure and reliable dude ?
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February 19, 2017, 08:20:32 AM
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There are documented cases of banks closing accounts without legitimate reasons.

Chase Bank targeted pornstars and sex cam models, closing their accounts back in 2014.

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The adult movie business in the United States, as NBC News reported earlier this year, is grappling with tough times “because of piracy and an abundance of free content on the Internet.” CNBC noted in March:

Income in the adult film industry is down by 50 percent from about a decade ago due to shrinking profits. Only a few performers are lucky enough to be on the A-list. . . . The rest, on average, earn a yearly salary of just around $50,000—a few thousand dollars shy of the national median household income—and, of course, have no pension plan or 401(k) plan.

Now, it’s just gotten a whole lot harder for some of those performers to find a bank to park their cash. As if to add further financial insult to an already injured and consolidating industry, the leading adult trade publications in Southern California, AVN and XBIZ, reported in late April that JPMorgan Chase is sending letters to performers terminating their bank accounts. According to VICE News, word is “surfacing that shows the US Department of Justice may be strong-arming banks into banning porn stars” as part of Operation Choke Point. As The Huffington Post reported, that operation “attempts to curb money laundering by scrutinizing banks and payment processors that facilitate transactions with illegal businesses — petty fraudsters running payday lending scams, sham telemarketing operations and other shady groups.”

Well, it now seems that adult stars are being lumped together with “shady groups,” despite the fact that their business is perfectly legal. Of course, it’s hard for some people, based upon their moral or religious grounds, to feel any sympathy for people who make their living on their backs and knees. But the current actions taken by JPMorgan Chase fit a larger pattern, according to Mark Kernes, senior editor for legal affairs for AVN Media Network and AVN.com.

“The adult industry has a long history of being discriminated against by banks and credit card companies. Several years ago, American Express canceled the billing services it had previously been providing to adult retailers and webmasters, and I believe some other credit card companies have followed suit. And last year at about this time, City National Bank canceled the checking account of, and denied a home loan to, popular actress Chanel Preston without providing a legitimate reason,” Kernes told me in a recent email.

Kernes, who has reported for more than 20 years on legal issues facing the adult entertainment industry, pointed out in that email that the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation lists pornography as “merchant categories that have been associated with high-risk activity.” In an April 28 article on AVN, Kernes elaborates that “from the few industry members who’ve had their bank accounts closed who were willing to speak to AVN, the most common excuse given to them for the closures has been ‘risk management,’ the exact reason cited in the FDIC memo for why banks should avoid doing business with any type of company on the FDIC’s ‘blacklist.’”

Although Kernes said he is “unclear how much government pressure is being brought to bear on” JPMorgan Chase, he stresses that “for the banks to claim that the government wants them to cancel adult industry members’ accounts as part of the ‘risk management’ mandated by Operation Choke Point is absurd, and certainly a type of class discrimination on the banks’ part.”

For now, the letters are coming to some to porn stars. After receiving a notice from JPMorgan Chase, performer Teagan Presley called the bank and, according to XBIZ, was told “that because I am, I guess, public and am recognizable in the adult business, they’re closing my account.” As Kernes writes on AVN, “it’s not as if the banks have necessarily experienced any problems with the porn people’s accounts; it’s apparently just that they work in the ‘pornography’ business or are related to someone who does, and ‘pornography’ appears on the FDIC’s blacklist.”

Regardless of one’s personal views about either adult movies or their performers, one must wonder whether JPMorgan Chase, which reportedly paid more than $20 billion in penalties and settlements in 2013 alone, might have more important things to do, like cleaning up its own financial house. And if the Department of Justice really is pressuring banks to target members of the adult industry, then surely its priorities might need to be recalibrated. Similarly, if it turns out the pressure is due to the FDIC’s blacklisting of pornography, then it sadly reflects a guilt-by-association mentality; if one works in the adult industry, no matter what segment of it, then one must also be blacklisted.

We’re not likely to see any politicians or lawmakers, however, coming to the defense of the adult stars and questioning JPMorgan Chase about why the performers are being targeted. After all, there aren’t too many cars on the road today, be it in the Porn Valley of San Fernando or elsewhere, sporting bumper stickers proclaiming “I Watch Porn and I Vote.”

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February 20, 2017, 11:33:16 PM
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Storing my money at those banks I know the money is safe there, I trust them because of it.

I do choose also the banks that I'm going to trust. Actually there are banks here in my country which are trustworthy. Almost all of the commercial banks here are trustworthy depending on what service you got. Those banks that became bankrupt in the end are already closed. Still I do prefer to trust banks when it comes to my fiat management.
I believe all banks are trustworthy, they are in the business of trust and they will have to maintain it in order to operate longer. Though we cannot deny the fact that they are also banks who violate the law but it's not our problem anymore, as a depositor, our money is insured and whatever happen to a certain bank we deposited our money with, we will surely gonna recover what we loss.

For me not all banks are trustworthy it really depends on your experience on how did it came with those banks. And I don't trust all of them, just like what I said, I'm just choosing the banks that I'm going to trust. Because I do have some bad experience from my other banks and that's what makes me think about them.

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February 21, 2017, 04:53:00 AM
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Depending the bank I trust it. I must say they are less risk than bitcoins. There is a contract which you sign and it guarantees you refund if something unexpected happens. It gives me security, but low profit. The average, good profit is in bitcoins.
Storing my money at those banks I know the money is safe there, I trust them because of it.

I do choose also the banks that I'm going to trust. Actually there are banks here in my country which are trustworthy. Almost all of the commercial banks here are trustworthy depending on what service you got. Those banks that became bankrupt in the end are already closed. Still I do prefer to trust banks when it comes to my fiat management.
I believe all banks are trustworthy, they are in the business of trust and they will have to maintain it in order to operate longer. Though we cannot deny the fact that they are also banks who violate the law but it's not our problem anymore, as a depositor, our money is insured and whatever happen to a certain bank we deposited our money with, we will surely gonna recover what we loss.

For me not all banks are trustworthy it really depends on your experience on how did it came with those banks. And I don't trust all of them, just like what I said, I'm just choosing the banks that I'm going to trust. Because I do have some bad experience from my other banks and that's what makes me think about them.
What particular bad experience you had? Banks operates under the supervision of the government so I don't think they will violate the law just to get penalize, it's a big business and in order to stay in the business they have to maintain that trust of the people. They accept deposits and secured our money for a little return of deposits, but if our account is being suspected for money laundering or funds coming from illegal activities, that's the only time they will freeze your account.

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February 21, 2017, 06:13:51 AM
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I trust only banks which ran by government private banks take your money to cover their profits on way or another.
I think anything under government will be reliable mate. the government will not likely do a scam, even the government is prepared to be responsible for all damages that causes by the bank

Than why government are giving permission to private banks, really private banks charges are really very high. Why can't government start different banks according the cities so that people's money be safe. Instead of paying high transaction fee government should understand all these ethics to overcome different type of problems being faced by common man.
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