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December 03, 2016, 02:33:59 PM
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Yes, there are some altcoins that ended up a scam because it's program failed to launch or it was never a success on the first place. They are just making it up that it was a success so that many people would promote their altcoin by joining their Altcoin Campaign and in time there is someone who would reveal that, that certain altcoin is just a scam then all your efforts and time would just be wasted because of this false information that this altcoin is a legit one. That's why it is important to know first all the information of a certain altcoin or other cryptocurrencies before promoting it here in this forum.
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December 03, 2016, 03:41:07 PM
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The internalized stake is basically world domination on cruise control and should be shunned by anyone who doesn't want to be a slave, while the open entropy system of Bitcoin tends to give you the same result when you're just externalizing your metaphorical stake into the Pareto principle of the real world.  This means cryptocurrency solves really nothing in it's current state, and things like physical silver coins as a currency would be vastly superior in terms of both decentralization and avoidance of usury or seigniorage fee.

Why should silver coins be any better than Bitcoin? Bitcoin is modeled after gold and silver. Bitcoin mining closely resembles the extraction process of gold and silver. I don't see why silver coins are any better than Bitcoin. If one agrees to your argument (which I don't) one must condemn silver coins as well.

The Pareto principle of the real world is the result of most people being unable to save money. Many people live beyond their means. Wealthy individuals often have different personality characteristics when it comes to saving, they tend to be more thrifty in relation to their means. That's how they accumulated wealth: They spent less than they could afford.
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December 03, 2016, 04:09:04 PM
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Let me start off by telling a story.  At the height of peak-altcoin, a guy I know released some garbage coin with the sole purpose of trying to make money in a pump and dump.  I told him, hey, why are you making this stupid scamcoin?  His response was, "just what exactly are we trying to do here?"  (i.e. being involved in cryptocurrency in the first place).

Before you try to create or engineer something, you first have to actually identify the problem you're trying to solve.  The problem to solve is not decentralization, it's creating an alternative to rent seeking usury, aka slavery.

The current state of cryptocurrency consists of closed entropy systems like Peercoin, which are internalized proof of stake, and open entropy Bitcoin PoW systems, which are just externalized proof of stake in practice, not decentralized.  Both are stake based and stake based systems have the following attributes, they're designed around someone monopolizing a variable then practicing rent seeking usury on everyone else.

The internalized stake is basically world domination on cruise control and should be shunned by anyone who doesn't want to be a slave, while the open entropy system of Bitcoin tends to give you the same result when you're just externalizing your metaphorical stake into the Pareto principle of the real world.  This means cryptocurrency solves really nothing in it's current state, and things like physical silver coins as a currency would be vastly superior in terms of both decentralization and avoidance of usury or seigniorage fee.

Having said that, if you were to try and improve on cryptocurrency in some way, you would be required to remove the stake variable entirely.  A system where you can't gain capital by leveraging assets on cruise control with no human intervention or attendance required.  The only way to do that off the top of my head is either unprofitable PoW (which seems like it wouldn't work in practice) or by having all senders of transactions solve some type of decentralized captcha or other proof of work that cannot be put on cruise control for profit.

What you say here might hold water if there was only one cryptocoin. The fact is there are hundreds and there will be thousands upon thousands of them in the coming years. Decentralization comes from every one having an easy way to create their own money/token and embed usefulness in it, to work to make it valuable. Some will succeed in this endeavor, most will fail, it doesn't matter. Decentralization is in breaking monopoly of state on creation of money and having everyone and their mother create some sort of loyalty points with value that others are willing to work for. This will be the end of state monopoly on money, this is what decentralization is about. Silver coins are awesome, no argument about that Smiley

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December 03, 2016, 04:53:16 PM
Last edit: December 03, 2016, 05:29:45 PM by r0ach
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The flaw of PoW and DPoS is they lack degrees-of-freedom because they depend on the economies-of-scale control of some finite resource (mining or stake).

But if you don't chain the cryptocurrency up to some kind of real world resource, you end up pulling a Fuserleer and creating some fragile, steady state system with no type of terminal fault recovery.  Without a real world resource tied to it, it's like playing the role of video game developer for a multi-player fighting game where you know everyone and their mom is going to try and cheat, and eventually someone is going to distribute some altered client in the backstreets of China that gives you some type of advantage and blows the whole thing up.

Like I said in the original post, the Occam's Razor solution to creating a cryptocurrency not based around usury (i.e. not revolving around some type of internal or externalized stake forming a landlord/cartel setup) seems to be unprofitable PoW.  But a system where senders of transactions are forced to solve some type of decentralized captcha as a combination of human efforted PoW annoyance and tool to form convergence accomplishes the same thing.  

Besides those two methods, I can't imagine anything else really working to usury proof a cryptocurrency system.  If you can't usury proof crypto, I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be very disappointed in the crypto endgame.  

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*The other Occam's Razor solution would be ditching digital altogether and using a physical object as a currency (silver) that you can hold in your hand and defend with an AR15.  Usury normally revolves around the act of skimming the money supply from the general populace and it's pretty damn hard for some guy to shave some clippings off your silver when it's being defended with an assault rifle.  Going full digital just makes things batshit easy for them no matter what type of currency you create.


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December 04, 2016, 02:31:52 AM
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What you say here might hold water if there was only one cryptocoin. The fact is there are hundreds and there will be thousands upon thousands of them in the coming years. Decentralization comes from every one having an easy way to create their own money/token and embed usefulness in it, to work to make it valuable. Some will succeed in this endeavor, most will fail, it doesn't matter. Decentralization is in breaking monopoly of state on creation of money and having everyone and their mother create some sort of loyalty points with value that others are willing to work for. This will be the end of state monopoly on money, this is what decentralization is about.

If all the altcoins are just the same power vacuum failure, then no diversification is attained.
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December 04, 2016, 05:40:20 AM
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Besides those two methods, I can't imagine anything else really working to usury proof a cryptocurrency system.

Just because you can't, doesn't mean I can't.
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January 31, 2017, 05:07:17 AM
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Besides those two methods, I can't imagine anything else really working to usury proof a cryptocurrency system.

Just because you can't, doesn't mean I can't.

On a linear timeline, do you suppose we will discover aliens first or the release of anonymint coin?

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