Please spread this message to the spoiled-brat Millennials

[iamnotback]

OP, every time I see your username I read "I am not black" ......please change it

All the more reason I should not change it, just to piss off you fucking leftist retards who are evil.

70% of those who voted are leftists. Thus for sure mankind is doomed. But the planet will be doing just fine regardless.

I voted to save the planet. That doesn't mean that I am a leftist. If you check my post history, you can see that a lot of people here have accused me of harboring far-right ideology. I just want to preserve the planet for the future generations. I don't want my kids to suffer from the misdeeds of our generation. They also have a right to live on this planet.

But (if) your ideology causes you to need to enforce your will on others who desire to opt-out and govern themselves. Thus you are a leftist.

I may care about the environment, and I may agree with local communities regulating against wanton environmental destruction.

But global social justice is evil regardless of the nobleness of your intent.

In short, stop worrying so much, as linked video in the following quote explains:

Leftists don't care about mankind. They care about their self-importance, Volvos, and bike paths. And they are the most violent threat to freewill and mankind.

The only generative essence absolute I can think of so far which I can't refute, is our desire to give meaning to our perception of our existence.

This explains the necessity of death. Eternal continuity of perception could not coexist with wonderment because everything that exists would have always been. We'd lose that fundamental absolute which drives the differentiation between the past and future light cones of relativity.

I had a 1 hour "Merry Christmas" conversation with my mother and all was going well until I explained that AGW is a farce (we got off on that tangent because I mentioned that Trump might help the immigration of my relatives and my other said "if the country survives Trump" and I told her not to worry because the liberals would probably win the next Presidential election). My mom explained the reason she believes in social justice because she said in her lifetime we have proof it works. She said we in the Deep South saw the end of racism against blacks. I am even old enough to remember how much discrimination against blacks has improved in the Deep South. So I agreed with her on that point. She was aghast that her son wouldn't care about the environment we leave to our offspring. She said she only has maybe at most 20 more years remaining in her life, thus the meaning of her existence is all tied into leftism. She was ready to hang up the phone in a bad mood, and I told her, "mom I do care about the environment, but environment is not climate.". She said she didn't understand that distinction but we ended up on a happy ending because she was relieved that I do care about the environment.

So that is an example of both my quote above and also why leftists can destroy society because of their own ignorant social justice. It is true that humans can impact the environment, but they can't impact the long-term climate.

Trumpocalypse?

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, many liberals all over America have suddenly become extremely interested in prepping.

Fearing that a Trump presidency could rapidly evolve into a "Trumpocalypse", a significant number of leftists are now stockpiling food, guns and emergency supplies.  In fact, even though many had expected a sharp drop in gun sales following Trump's victory, what actually happened is that fear of what is coming under Trump pushed background checks for gun sales to an all-time record high on Black Friday.  The election of Donald Trump has awakened the left to a degree that we haven't seen in decades, and some on the left are embracing hardcore survivalism without any apologies.

What is ironic about all of this is that on the other end of the political spectrum interest in prepping is probably the lowest that it has ever been in the history of the modern prepper movement.  A couple of weeks ago, I wrote an article about how it was like "a nuclear bomb went off in the prepping community", and nothing has changed since that time.

Read more at http://www.infowars.com/trumpocalypse-suddenly-liberals-are-the-ones-stockpiling-food-guns-and-emergency-supplies/.

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[iamnotback]

Do not Libertarians, or right wing free market advocates have a set of values ? Of course they do.
Why are they, then, left off the hook when it comes to imposing these values on those that don't share them, over the "leftists" ?

The salient distinction is that the free market by definition means no top-down edicts are directing the outcome, rather the Invisible Hand of opportunity costs are. Free markets anneal to the NATURAL LAW economics of nature. Whereas, top-down edicts do not anneal and become megadeath because of non-intended outcomes. For example, the 57 million who starved in Communist China, because of the top-down management of agriculture. The AGW proponents are trying to achieve a similar megadeath through corrupt top-down governance.

If an ideology is an idea system used to maintain an exploitative domination, then from where I'm sat, the free market ideology has by far created the greatest amount of inequality and stifled life chances on the world as a whole .

Top-down governance is corrupted also. The leftist's preferred system is just as exploitative as any natural power-law or exponential distribution of wealth. Because giving power to representatives is a power vacuum and thus will always be victors to the most corruptible. The 160 IQ Eric Raymond explained this well:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=984 (Some Iron Laws of Political Economics)

1% own half this world.

The unequal distribution of wealth is a fact of nature. There is nothing you can anyone can do about this, other than improving technology so that everyone's standard of living is lifted. The following references are taken from my whitepaper for a new altcoin project I am working on:

J. Doyne Farmer, John Geanakoplos. Power laws in economics and elsewhere. Chapter from a preliminary draft of a book called “Beyond equilibrium and efficiency”, §4.1 Summary of empirical evidence for power laws, p. 15, May 14, 2008.
Adrian A. Dragulescu, Victor M. Yakovenko. Exponential and power-law probability distributions of wealth and income in the United Kingdom and the United States. Physica A 299, pp. 213–221, proceedings of NATO workshop Applications of Physics in Economic Modeling, Prague, Feb 2001.
Adrian A. Dragulescu, Victor M. Yakovenko. Statistical Mechanics of Money, Income, and Wealth: A Short Survey. Modeling of Complex Systems: Seventh Granada Lectures, AIP Conference Proceedings 661, pp. 180-183, Sep 2, 2002.
Victor M. Yakovenko, J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.. Colloquium: Statistical mechanics of money, wealth, and income. Rev. Mod. Phys. 81(4), 1703, Dec 2, 2009.
Jean-Philippe Bouchard. Power-laws and Scaling in Finance: Empirical Evidence and Simple Models. Conference on Fractals 2002, Emergent Nature: Patterns, Growth and Scaling in the Sciences, pp. 157–171, Mar 17, 2002.
Xavier Gabaix. Power Laws in Economics: An Introduction. Journal of Economic Perspectives 30(1) pp. 185–206, §What Causes Power Laws?, Winter 2016.
Thomas Lux. Financial Power Laws: Empirical Evidence, Models, and Mechanism. Power Laws in the Social Sciences: Discovering Complexity and Non-Equilibrium Dynamics in the Social Universe, §IV. Multi-Agent Models in Behavioral Finance, 2006.


Also the extreme excesses in concentration of wealth are not due to the free market, but are due to the top-down political corruption that the leftists advocate. The solution the leftists advocate is the poison that gives them the reason to advocate their "solution". It is a vicious cycle of ignorance, akin to a dog chasing his tail.

It is quite sad to see such retarded humans destroy themselves and civilization along with it. Repeatedly.

But the ideas that legitimate this gross inequality are somehow OK because ......?? Or are their ideas somehow exempt from tyrannical abuse purely because they are the ones writing the rule books and history ?
Doesn't make any sense.

You retards never learn to stop chasing your tail. It is sad. I see you leftists as a cancer and a virus, that I need to inoculate from my life.



CoinCube won't approve of my language, but I use this language because you leftists are evil and violent and the "soft glove" approach doesn't register in your corrupt minds. You need to be told what you really are bluntly and frankly. And moreover, because you always talking so highly of your ethics and you belittle (very condescending tone!) the ethics of the free market proponents, so I just want to put the mirror in your face.

[mOgliE]

This is so accurate! Many millennials say "It's DEMOCRATIC Socialism, there's a difference." Just because you put the word "democratic" before it doesn't mean it's any different. It just means you voted for the flawed system. Socialism has not and will not work anywhere.

Bernie Sander's Millennials Socialism is Coming...

"We are the only country in the world not to guarantee health care"
Wow, maybe millennials should stop being lazy and get an education and a career. The United States is the strongest nation because of free markets and the constitution. I do not recall, "everyone must pay for Obama phones, Obama Care, Obama vacations" in the constitution, but I am still being forced to pay into them.

Taxation is theft. You are technically a slave when 100% of the products of your labor is taxed/confiscated by force. So at what percentage are you not a slave?

Nothing to add your honor. Anyone believing that shouldn't be allowed to vote xD

I'd just love to know how the hell is USA the strongest nation? What are exactly your criteria? xD

[mOgliE]

This is so accurate! Many millennials say "It's DEMOCRATIC Socialism, there's a difference." Just because you put the word "democratic" before it doesn't mean it's any different. It just means you voted for the flawed system. Socialism has not and will not work anywhere.

Bernie Sander's Millennials Socialism is Coming...

[much blabla]. The United States is the strongest nation because of free markets and the constitution. [even more blabla]

Stop being delusional.
The only reason the USA is the strongest nation is because they put 1+ trillion $ a year in their defense budget while half of theiryour popuplation are living in shit - from eduaction to food, healthcare and social systems 

and one of the most funny things nowadays is that the US Army gets their recruits mainly from ex (black) gang members and the results in warfare are looking accordingly.

short:

USA sucks donkey balls - the land of freedom and democracy is long gone.

Hey there Criptix! Long time no seen,

I was away for a few months but as soon as i come back i see nothing really changed...
It seems that people still spit on socialism without even knowing what they talk about xD
It's a good thing you're here otherwise I'd feel a bit lonely with my brain here!

USA is powerful indeed, but only because they stole resources across the world to finance a huge army to steal even more resources around the world... And they're saying socialism is theft? xD

I always find a bit funny how they believe 50% tax is theft but bombing a country to take the oil there is ok. I guess it's only a question of who you steal

[DooMAD]

USA is powerful indeed, but only because they stole resources across the world to finance a huge army to steal even more resources around the world... And they're saying socialism is theft? xD

I always find a bit funny how they believe 50% tax is theft but bombing a country to take the oil there is ok. I guess it's only a question of who you steal

Not to mention the ridiculous double standard where the conservatives and hardline libertarians believe they have the right to live and work anywhere in the world because capitalism.  But as soon as anyone foreign wants to move there, it's all "filthy immigrants" and "dey took er jerbs", where suddenly the open market doesn't apply to the labour force.  They claim they want small government, but still want someone to "defend" the borders (preferably for free because they're too greedy and self absorbed to pay tax).  They want all the benefits of living in a society but none of the responsibility of maintaining it.  Hate-filled leeches.

[saddampbuh]

I always find a bit funny how they believe 50% tax is theft but bombing a country to take the oil there is ok. I guess it's only a question of who you steal

claims to hate capitalism, promotes gambling in his signature, go figure

[saddampbuh]

Not to mention the ridiculous double standard where the conservatives and hardline libertarians believe they have the right to live and work anywhere in the world because capitalism.  But as soon as anyone foreign wants to move there, it's all "filthy immigrants" and "dey took er jerbs", where suddenly the open market doesn't apply to the labour force.  They claim they want small government, but still want someone to "defend" the borders (preferably for free because they're too greedy and self absorbed to pay tax).  They want all the benefits of living in a society but none of the responsibility of maintaining it.  Hate-filled leeches.

there is a difference between advanced westerners with money or skills going to other countries and helping generate wealth for those countries and muds coming here to leech welfare or work minimum wage and put our own menial workers on the dole

[iamnotback]

Not to mention the ridiculous double standard where the conservatives and hardline libertarians believe they have the right to live and work anywhere in the world because capitalism.  But as soon as anyone foreign wants to move there, it's all "filthy immigrants" and "dey took er jerbs", where suddenly the open market doesn't apply to the labour force.  They claim they want small government, but still want someone to "defend" the borders (preferably for free because they're too greedy and self absorbed to pay tax).  They want all the benefits of living in a society but none of the responsibility of maintaining it.  Hate-filled leeches.

there is a difference between advanced westerners with money or skills going to other countries and helping generate wealth for those countries and muds coming here to leech welfare or work minimum wage and put our own menial workers on the dole

Well anyone can go buy land and own a business in the USA, but I can't buy land nor 100% own a business in many countries in Asia such as the Philippines where I am now.

Leftists will find any excuse to defend their corrupt, horrific, megadeath directed ideology.

They are retards. We conservatives should congregate in our own regions and kick out the leftists. And let them go congregate in their regions where they are most populous. And then let's watch them crash and burn economically. But they will never allow that without war, because all they know how to do is steal.

This process is underway. The USA will break up into regions in the coming decades as Martin Armstrong's computer predicted many years ago.

The leftists are not going to tolerate us. So we have nothing to gain by being nice to them. It is time to divorce from them. There is no way to reason with a leftist, because if they had critical thinking skills, they wouldn't be leftists in the first place. Just accept that they are scum of the earth and there is nothing we can do to help them. Let them destroy themselves and prepare for our self-defense because they will make war against us when we refuse to pay for their stealing.

We conservatives who are productive must let all those leftists go congregate with their other unproductive ilk and let them steal and ass fuck each other into oblivion.

[iamnotback]

Thus much of the back and forth regarding the deserving nature of the capitalist who created the billion dollar industry and the deserving nature of the man who has little and contributes less is irrelevant for both are functioning and succeeding in a system that is inherently collectivists/Leftist.

In such an environment this argument is essential is a debate over the amount of spoils predator should receive. Such a debate has no solution because both parties are essentially at a fundamental level the same.

The difference is that conservative is not going to add fuel to fire by proposing to steal back from the 1% which always is an increase in public debt stealing from yourself (because the 1% will always control the government so they just give us the debt we want and pocket the profits from our social activism). The leftists are in a self-destruction mode.

The conservative is willing to go pull himself up by his own bootstraps and make due with what he can achieve.

We do have some objectivity. Compare Eastern Europe and other Communist societies to the USA during the 1800s and early 1900s. As my Belgium friend said, "at that time, everything you touched turned to gold in the USA because you could do what you want".

The leftists will burn everything to the ground. The conservatives will abort such a megadeath.

Can anyone make a counter argument?

[DooMAD]

We conservatives should congregate in our own regions and kick out the leftists. And let them go congregate in their regions where they are most populous. And then let's watch them crash and burn economically. But they will never allow that without war, because all they know how to do is steal.

Then explain why it's basically illegal to live off-grid in conservative states like Texas and Florida.  Don't act naive and pretend capitalists don't employ force and coercion to get what they want.  You won't allow the leftists to leave if you can profit by making them stay.  As I've argued so many times without refute, it only counts as liberty when it's your rights you care about.  You couldn't care less about anyone else's rights or freedoms and will happily stomp all over them if it means you can make a buck.  It's the conservative way.  

[iamnotback]

Then explain why it's basically illegal to live off-grid in conservative states like Texas and Florida.

The leftists are the ones whose policies stimulate a large and powerful government system that regulates everything.

You'll find that even amongst so called conservatives, you really had leftist wolves in sheepskin.

There aren't many places remaining on earth where you can do what ever the fuck you want without some government regulating you. Yet I expect that these cases you cited are most prevalent in the populated areas, which btw are typically more leftist even in Texas and Florida.

Also the authorities may have shut down that cult for other reasons and simply used the legal code about sanitary water supply as an excuse to put a stop to a cult. Texas is still reeling from the Waco incident.

Florida is not conservative. Trump barely won in FL. Florida is highly leftist. And regardless of the political leanings, even the Republicans want government to control everything. They want to regulate so that no one has to live next to some shanty home. Fucking spoiled rich fuck American asshurls who care more about their perfectly manicured green lawn than conservative values. Republicans want profit. It is a tourism state. Everybody has their hand in the pot trying to get some portion of those revenues. So yeah, the moralizing Republicans want more regulation so they can "clean up the image" of the place. Welcome to human civilization.

I do know for a fact (as of 2006), you could live off grid in rural West Texas. Nothing out there but rocks, cactus, and lizards.

Any way, this is a weak ass rebuttal to evil of the leftist ideology (a religion).

[DooMAD]

Then explain why it's basically illegal to live off-grid in conservative states like Texas and Florida.

The leftists are the ones whose policies stimulate a large and powerful government system that regulates everything.

You'll find that even amongst so called conservatives, you really had leftist wolves in sheepskin.

There aren't many places remaining on earth where you can do what ever the fuck you want without some government regulating you. Yet I expect that these cases you cited are most prevalent in the populated areas, which btw are typically more leftist even in Texas and Florida.

Also the authorities may have shut down that cult for other reasons and simply used the legal code about sanitary water supply as an excuse to put a stop to a cult. Texas is still reeling from the Waco incident.

Florida is not conservative. Trump barely won in FL. Florida is highly leftist. And regardless of the political leanings, even the Republicans want government to control everything. They want to regulate so that no one has to live next to some shanty home. Fucking spoiled rich fuck American asshurls who care more about their perfectly manicured green lawn than conservative values. Republicans want profit. It is a tourism state. Everybody has their hand in the pot trying to get some portion of those revenues.

I do know for a fact (as of 2006), you could live off grid in rural West Texas.

Any way, this is a weak ass rebuttal to evil of the leftist ideology (a religion).

I think I'm starting to gain an understanding of your... how do I put this politely?  Unique perspective.  Everything in this world that's even remotely authoritarian, you refer to as "leftist", even when it isn't so.  No wonder you think everyone's a communist if that's how you genuinely see the world.  

The view of the world from the eyes of the average person:



The view of the world through the eyes of Anonymint:



The only "justifiable" standpoint in your view is at the very "right" of the chart from your (literally) skewed perspective.  Everyone and everything else is communist.  Your bitter tone implies frustration that the rest of the world doesn't share this perspective.  So you lash out at all the "leftists" even though you apparently mean to include people who would be viewed as right by those on the left.  The only ones who aren't "leftists" are the hardline libertarians.  The average person will never see it, but in your world Hitler and Gandhi are two peas in a pod.  Augusto Pinochet and the Dalai Lama are equally authoritarian.  They're all communists.  

[mOgliE]

I always find a bit funny how they believe 50% tax is theft but bombing a country to take the oil there is ok. I guess it's only a question of who you steal

claims to hate capitalism, promotes gambling in his signature, go figure

Thank you for not answering to any arguments and telling me that I'm hating capitalism even though I didn't say it.
Not even going to talk about how hating something doesn't mean you don't understand its use.

Anyway as usual nothing that is close to a real argument from you. But it's not like I'm surprised.

[iamnotback]

The view of the world through the eyes of Anonymint:



The only "justifiable" standpoint in your view is at the very "right" of the chart from your (literally) skewed perspective.  Everyone and everything else is communist.  Your bitter tone implies frustration that the rest of the world doesn't share this perspective.  So you lash out at all the "leftists" even though you apparently mean to include people who would be viewed as right by those on the left.  The only ones who aren't "leftists" are the hardline libertarians.  The average person will never see it, but in your world Hitler and Gandhi are two peas in a pod.  Augusto Pinochet and the Dalai Lama are equally authoritarian.  They're all communists.  

Thank you. I think that chart is a reasonably accurate representation of my perspective. Thank for putting in the effort to make that.

I don't think it is accurate to say that I wouldn't praise some of the traits of those who are on the same side of either axis as myself, even though they are on the other side of the other axis from values. So while I might condone some of the social liberalism of Gandhi, I would disagree with the economic totalitarianism. Ditto while I admire some of Thatcher's views, I wouldn't agree with totalitarian restriction of social values. Having said that, I do admire some conservative social values, such as I think abortion and birth control are self-destructive on a statistical basis, but I am not going to join some religion which tries to control the freewill of people.

Note however, there is distinction between having these values and needing to interact in a society that for the most part doesn't share these values.

My values free me from needing to control what other people do on a societal level (might be different in my interpersonal relationships). Economic right means I accept the natural law will impact the outcome, so nothing I need to control. Ditto my interpretation of social liberalism is that we all reap what we sow. Abort your children, you'll likely end up in a life lacking meaning.

[Spoetnik]

This is great. You can't force people to work like cattle. You can't force them to be happy.

But again this is hypothetical socialism. The modern form of socialism is already implemented worldwide.

The government takes larger income tax from high earners and lesser from low earners.

In my personal opinion no taxes should be over 25%.

Exactly, socialism is idiotic in theory and even stupider in practice. Just because you and your friend both agree to take my Bitcoin, it does not make it morally acceptable. It's still theft.

Hope you don't like street lights, garbage pickups or Police / Ambulance or Fires services..
Or security from being invaded by another country.
What will you do when a massive forest fire breaks out ?
Well apparently that 1 test by a class of lazy brats proves you would all do nothing and be burned alive.

The framework of society exists for a reason.
Does it need tweaking ? Sure.. German Free University education ? Canadian Free Health Care ?

What we end up talking about is lawless anarchy vs rules.
Society decided on rules for a reason.

If there was no law against littering then everyone would do it according to Shelby's class example right ?
Well who would clean it up then ? You ? The guy chanting TAX is Theft ?
I doubt it.. you would leave it on the street and say "it's not my job"
There by leaving the streets a filthy mess.

Native's on reserves in Canada have their own land and tax exemptions.
But they use our lumber to build their house to sit on our furniture and watch our TV and use our internet and eat our food and use our electricity..
When they jump into the truck "we" made they enjoy our roads which are plowed.. and paved.

It's easy to chant we don't need you.. when in reality you do.

I have no problem with greed or profit etc .. but not corruption etc.
I agree those that work harder should get more.

Just like i said lots on the web.. i am, a fucking big shot assholes.
I am known all over in every damn corner of the web.. because i been there.. all along.
WORKING my god damn ass off !
In the last two decades i have invested mind blowing amounts of time LEARNING things
..by getting off my ass and doing the work.
There for i earned ever damn little bit of cocky smug attitude i have.
I do know a lot ..not saying i am the best at everything though LOL

Kids these days have a sense of entitlement that is silly.
I see what the OP here was driving at with that and i DO agree with him.
But you guys are going all over the place here with the topic hahahha

[valta4065]

The view of the world through the eyes of Anonymint:



The only "justifiable" standpoint in your view is at the very "right" of the chart from your (literally) skewed perspective.  Everyone and everything else is communist.  Your bitter tone implies frustration that the rest of the world doesn't share this perspective.  So you lash out at all the "leftists" even though you apparently mean to include people who would be viewed as right by those on the left.  The only ones who aren't "leftists" are the hardline libertarians.  The average person will never see it, but in your world Hitler and Gandhi are two peas in a pod.  Augusto Pinochet and the Dalai Lama are equally authoritarian.  They're all communists.  

Thank you. I think that chart is a reasonably accurate representation of my perspective. Thank for putting in the effort to make that.

I don't think it is accurate to say that I wouldn't praise some of the traits of those who are on the same side of either axis as myself, even though they are on the other side of the other axis from values. So while I might condone some of the social liberalism of Gandhi, I would disagree with the economic totalitarianism. Ditto while I admire some of Thatcher's views, I wouldn't agree with totalitarian restriction of social values. Having said that, I do admire some conservative social values, such as I think abortion and birth control are self-destructive on a statistical basis, but I am not going to join some religion which tries to control the freewill of people.

Note however, there is distinction between having these values and needing to interact in a society that for the most part doesn't share these values.

My values free me from needing to control what other people do on a societal level (might be different in my interpersonal relationships). Economic right means I accept the natural law will impact the outcome, so nothing I need to control. Ditto my interpretation of social liberalism is that we all reap what we sow. Abort your children, you'll likely end up in a life lacking meaning.

Just a simple question:
If tax is theft, how do you pay for police, justice, roads, firefighter and all those things?

[iamnotback]

Just a simple question:
If tax is theft, how do you pay for police, justice, roads, firefighter and all those things?

Privatize the services. Pay for what you want in your local subdivision, community, etc.. That is pretty much the way it works in the Philippines. I live in a gated subdivision with private guards. When I want to travel from Makati to the airport in 15 mins instead of 1.5 hours mired in traffic, I pay $1 to ride on the elevated toll road.

[criptix]

Just a simple question:
If tax is theft, how do you pay for police, justice, roads, firefighter and all those things?

Privatize the services. Pay for what you want in your local subdivision, community, etc.. That is pretty much the way it works in the Philippines. I live in a gated subdivision with private guards. When I want to travel from Makati to the airport in 15 mins instead of 1.5 hours mired in traffic, I pay $1 to ride on the elevated toll road.

So you actually support eugenics?

(Aka what happens with those who cant pay for security and healthcare - oh right in the philippines they work as government payed hitmans)

And then you top that with saying everyone who isnt your soulmate is a communist.

I dont even know what to say


I dont even get it how people can take PH as an example for anything. That nation is more or less another 3rd world dump where parents sell their kids... wtf

[iamnotback]

So you actually support eugenics?

(Aka what happens with those who cant pay for security and healthcare...

Typical leftist hysteria.

Equating personal responsibility with enabling eugenics.

Lunatics like this will definitely create another Holocaust.

[criptix]

So you actually support eugenics?

(Aka what happens with those who cant pay for security and healthcare...

Typical leftist hysteria.

Equating personal responsibility with enabling eugenics.

Lunatics like this will definitely create another Holocaust.

Everything is privatized. What happens with those who cant pay for the service?
Lets take the PH as an example because you live there.
What does happen with them?

They end up on street selling their body, organs and kids.

Am i wrong or right?