Bitcoin is not really open source. Why not?

[BADecker]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean no one understands it. You can even compile it yourself on a shit windowz computer after looking at the code if you want to install 7z, perl, python and MinGW. I've been downloading and compiling my own client since it was on sourceforge. The only thing I disagree with about the current release is the retirement of the alert key. I can still see possible uses for it. Privileged users shouldn't be able to send messages on a decentralized system, bla bla, bullshit. There's always going to be "privileged" people responsible for code and telling dumbasses like BADecker there's a problem.

The problem really is that you don't want to learn anything BADecker. It's the same reason you still think the earth is flat.

You really need to look at the franky1 post above your post.   

[Coding Enthusiast]

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I agree that with proper documentation things are much easier to understand. But the argument OP is making is not about documentation.

Also about sloppy coding, if you see this and know a much better way and also capable of coding, I am curious to know if you have ever done anything about it like opening an issue on GitHub or changing the code to that better way and submitting it through pull request?

[QuestionAuthority]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean no one understands it. You can even compile it yourself on a shit windowz computer after looking at the code if you want to install 7z, perl, python and MinGW. I've been downloading and compiling my own client since it was on sourceforge. The only thing I disagree with about the current release is the retirement of the alert key. I can still see possible uses for it. Privileged users shouldn't be able to send messages on a decentralized system, bla bla, bullshit. There's always going to be "privileged" people responsible for code and telling dumbasses like BADecker there's a problem.

The problem really is that you don't want to learn anything BADecker. It's the same reason you still think the earth is flat.

You really need to look at the franky1 post above your post.   

I can't see franky1's posts. I ignored him long ago.

[franky1]

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I agree that with proper documentation things are much easier to understand. But the argument OP is making is not about documentation.

Also about sloppy coding, if you see this and know a much better way and also capable of coding, I am curious to know if you have ever done anything about it like opening an issue on GitHub or changing the code to that better way and submitting it through pull request?

the boysclub usually ask you to discuss it with devs in IRC first. then join the mailing list. discuss it further and explain it in more detail and use the github only for final code.

unless its a spelling mistake you are usually met with many barriers and slaps to your face if you even hint there is an issue or a better way.

most objections to issues get shut down due to boysclub protection and rants about they know how things should be done while chest thumping they know better and to quietly tell outsiders to shut up go away and if you dont like it, fork off and play with an altcoin with their preferred code.

so although the code is open. to view. what is viewable it not always clear. and if you do translate it and see an issue. then trying to sort it or overcome their boysclub is met with what can only be described as the opposite to an open community

[BADecker]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean no one understands it. You can even compile it yourself on a shit windowz computer after looking at the code if you want to install 7z, perl, python and MinGW. I've been downloading and compiling my own client since it was on sourceforge. The only thing I disagree with about the current release is the retirement of the alert key. I can still see possible uses for it. Privileged users shouldn't be able to send messages on a decentralized system, bla bla, bullshit. There's always going to be "privileged" people responsible for code and telling dumbasses like BADecker there's a problem.

The problem really is that you don't want to learn anything BADecker. It's the same reason you still think the earth is flat.

You really need to look at the franky1 post above your post.   

I can't see franky1's posts. I ignored him long ago.

You've only franked yourself by doing that.   

[QuestionAuthority]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean no one understands it. You can even compile it yourself on a shit windowz computer after looking at the code if you want to install 7z, perl, python and MinGW. I've been downloading and compiling my own client since it was on sourceforge. The only thing I disagree with about the current release is the retirement of the alert key. I can still see possible uses for it. Privileged users shouldn't be able to send messages on a decentralized system, bla bla, bullshit. There's always going to be "privileged" people responsible for code and telling dumbasses like BADecker there's a problem.

The problem really is that you don't want to learn anything BADecker. It's the same reason you still think the earth is flat.

You really need to look at the franky1 post above your post.   

I can't see franky1's posts. I ignored him long ago.

You've only franked yourself by doing that.   

The only reason I don't ignore you is that I find your ridiculous uninformed stone-aged bullshit amusing. I just find franky1's bullshit annoying.

[deisik]

All that this says is that these programs, although called open source, are not really as open as the public might think that they are.

As long as you can openly get the source code (say, from an official repository) they are

You may think up your own definitions of open-source as much as you please, but don't expect other people agreeing to stick with your understanding of the concept. If you are looking for sematic juggling in an effort to fit a square peg in a round hole, then more power to you, but you are on your own in this endeavor

[DooMAD]

Enough people have more or less an idea, what is inside the code, to verify that it does not contain any nasty surprises.   .... People were quick to identify malicious code in Bitcoin XT, when it revealed some "backdoors"  

If anything, that laughable incident only highlighted the concept raised in this thread.  People looked at the XT code, saw lines mentioning functions like fShouldBan and banscore and naturally assumed that XT had "introduced" the possibility of banning or blacklisting.  When, in fact, the "offending" code is right there in Core's repo and any node on the network could be banning or blacklisting peers as they see fit right now.  To the average onlooker, it's clear as mud.  People are very easily misled over this sort of thing and I find it amusing that some people still think that code is malicious after all this time.

[BADecker]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean no one understands it. You can even compile it yourself on a shit windowz computer after looking at the code if you want to install 7z, perl, python and MinGW. I've been downloading and compiling my own client since it was on sourceforge. The only thing I disagree with about the current release is the retirement of the alert key. I can still see possible uses for it. Privileged users shouldn't be able to send messages on a decentralized system, bla bla, bullshit. There's always going to be "privileged" people responsible for code and telling dumbasses like BADecker there's a problem.

The problem really is that you don't want to learn anything BADecker. It's the same reason you still think the earth is flat.

You really need to look at the franky1 post above your post.   

I can't see franky1's posts. I ignored him long ago.

You've only franked yourself by doing that.   

The only reason I don't ignore you is that I find your ridiculous uninformed stone-aged bullshit amusing. I just find franky1's bullshit annoying.

I kinda feel sorry for you. You have to ignore someone to keep from perusing his post? Don't you even have enough self-control just to scroll on by? By placing somebody on ignore, you are only ignoring yourself and your true needs. Tell your psychiatrist about your problem. He might be able to recommend a suitable funny farm. Maybe the same one notbatman and nomadxxxxxx are at.

[BADecker]

Enough people have more or less an idea, what is inside the code, to verify that it does not contain any nasty surprises.   .... People were quick to identify malicious code in Bitcoin XT, when it revealed some "backdoors"  

If anything, that laughable incident only highlighted the concept raised in this thread.  People looked at the XT code, saw lines mentioning functions like fShouldBan and banscore and naturally assumed that XT had "introduced" the possibility of banning or blacklisting.  When, in fact, the "offending" code is right there in Core's repo and any node on the network could be banning or blacklisting peers as they see fit right now.  To the average onlooker, it's clear as mud.  People are very easily misled over this sort of thing and I find it amusing that some people still think that code is malicious after all this time.

I commend your clever way of saying this. I really am not all that clever at saying things like this. Have you considered a job as a politician?

[QuestionAuthority]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean no one understands it. You can even compile it yourself on a shit windowz computer after looking at the code if you want to install 7z, perl, python and MinGW. I've been downloading and compiling my own client since it was on sourceforge. The only thing I disagree with about the current release is the retirement of the alert key. I can still see possible uses for it. Privileged users shouldn't be able to send messages on a decentralized system, bla bla, bullshit. There's always going to be "privileged" people responsible for code and telling dumbasses like BADecker there's a problem.

The problem really is that you don't want to learn anything BADecker. It's the same reason you still think the earth is flat.

You really need to look at the franky1 post above your post.   

I can't see franky1's posts. I ignored him long ago.

You've only franked yourself by doing that.   

The only reason I don't ignore you is that I find your ridiculous uninformed stone-aged bullshit amusing. I just find franky1's bullshit annoying.

I kinda feel sorry for you. You have to ignore someone to keep from perusing his post? Don't you even have enough self-control just to scroll on by? By placing somebody on ignore, you are only ignoring yourself and your true needs. Tell your psychiatrist about your problem. He might be able to recommend a suitable funny farm. Maybe the same one notbatman and nomadxxxxxx are at.

Yeah, I could scroll on by sweetie but his posts are freakishly large for saying absolutely nothing valuable at all. I just find it makes the thread two thirds smaller if I ignore him. You're cute though. Thanks for worrying about my welfare.

[franky1]

I kinda feel sorry for you. You have to ignore someone to keep from perusing his post? Don't you even have enough self-control just to scroll on by? By placing somebody on ignore, you are only ignoring yourself and your true needs. Tell your psychiatrist about your problem. He might be able to recommend a suitable funny farm. Maybe the same one notbatman and nomadxxxxxx are at.

dont worry about "question authority". he stopped questioning authority years ago, now he just seems to accept authority.

[Ayers]

open source simply mean that anyone can have access to the source of the code, not that you need to be a programmer to learn bitcoin, i can compile the client for example, this alone imply that bitcoin is open source, what is so hard to understand here?

[BADecker]

I kinda feel sorry for you. You have to ignore someone to keep from perusing his post? Don't you even have enough self-control just to scroll on by? By placing somebody on ignore, you are only ignoring yourself and your true needs. Tell your psychiatrist about your problem. He might be able to recommend a suitable funny farm. Maybe the same one notbatman and nomadxxxxxx are at.

dont worry about "question authority". he stopped questioning authority years ago, now he just seems to accept authority.

The funny farm will give him more freedom.

I never placed anyone on ignore. I was curious. Are the ignored persons posts invisible inside another person's post during a reply?

[RodeoX]

open source simply mean that anyone can have access to the source of the code, not that you need to be a programmer to learn bitcoin, i can compile the client for example, this alone imply that bitcoin is open source, what is so hard to understand here?

Right?
Seven and a half years and this still needs to be explained constantly. Bitcoin IS open source software.

[franky1]

open source simply mean that anyone can have access to the source of the code, not that you need to be a programmer to learn bitcoin, i can compile the client for example, this alone imply that bitcoin is open source, what is so hard to understand here?

Right?
Seven and a half years and this still needs to be explained constantly. Bitcoin IS open source software.

i feel the op is talking about the whole bitcoin openness trustless ethos. more so then the literal meaning of "opensource"

[RodeoX]

open source simply mean that anyone can have access to the source of the code, not that you need to be a programmer to learn bitcoin, i can compile the client for example, this alone imply that bitcoin is open source, what is so hard to understand here?

Right?
Seven and a half years and this still needs to be explained constantly. Bitcoin IS open source software.

i feel the op is talking about the whole bitcoin openness trustless ethos. more so then the literal meaning of "opensource"

I think that's right. It is confusing because the term has a specific meaning already. It is not open in the same way that some advanced mathematics is not open to me because I don't understand it. But I don't blame the math, I could take the time to learn it. Not to speak for BADecker, but I think he means that bitcoin is hard for non-technical users to understand. Like a lot of things in this modern world.

[DannyHamilton]

i feel the op is talking about the whole bitcoin openness trustless ethos. more so then the literal meaning of "opensource"

Then perhaps he should consider actually saying that instead of Trolling with an obvious Flame attempt.

If he wants more people to understand, and he wants the code to be more descriptive, then he either needs to teach and code, or he needs to hire someone to teach and hire someone to code.  These things don't happen if nobody does them.

Specifically BECAUSE it's open source...  If you don't like it, you can fix it (or pay someone else to do it for you).  Complaining without action is futile.

[jak3]

the word "open source" was applied for bitcoin network and do not expect it to tell you the full programming of a bitcoin wallet and if it did then the wallet will not be secured anymore

[gmaxwell]

the word "open source" was applied for bitcoin network and do not expect it to tell you the full programming of a bitcoin wallet and if it did then the wallet will not be secured anymore

The security of a Bitcoin wallet doesn't come from any secrecy of its code. I would say a wallet with any secret code cannot be assumed to be secure.

The entirety of the Bitcoin download can be reproduced by anyone and in fact the release process requires many different people to reproduce the binaries exactly from source on their own.