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November 30, 2016, 08:59:22 PM |
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Care to speculate why Bitmain stopped selling S9 miners for a while (and even before was selling infrequently)?
1. They still mine with S7 and want difficulty to rise slowly. 2. They are filling their new gigantic center and don't want to share. Basically, this would made Bitmain a new KNC. 3. Their large clients are still on S7 and indicated that they don't want to update en masse yet. 4. Software or production quality it not up to the task yet. Anecdotally, S9 breaks more often than S7 were.
In my opinion, it is a combination of 2 and 4.
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December 01, 2016, 02:03:58 PM |
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They ran out of chips on their last batch from the foundry is THE most likely cause.
AGAIN.
I'm pretty sure they've long since sold out and swapped out all of their S7 units for S9s or an in-house varient.
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December 02, 2016, 12:38:19 AM |
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Care to speculate why Bitmain stopped selling S9 miners for a while (and even before was selling infrequently)?
1. They still mine with S7 and want difficulty to rise slowly. 2. They are filling their new gigantic center and don't want to share. Basically, this would made Bitmain a new KNC. 3. Their large clients are still on S7 and indicated that they don't want to update en masse yet. 4. Software or production quality it not up to the task yet. Anecdotally, S9 breaks more often than S7 were.
In my opinion, it is a combination of 2 and 4.
THIS. Bitmain have been making good money with their S9s and I wouldn't be surprised to see price rising once they come out with new chips and thus a new batch yet again. If they learn from their previous batches, maybe they'll do some improving on the miners themselves, maybe not. Most likely the S7s will be out of their centers and replaced with S9s- the most recent technology for a new center
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December 02, 2016, 12:54:31 AM |
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Beside, i'm pretty sure they still take order and are still fulfilling orders for bigger and private buyers. They're apparently much more considerate when dealing with people buying their miners by the palette, as well
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December 04, 2016, 09:27:58 PM |
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may be bitmain stopped selling the miners outside china as there are more sales happening inside china i think the Chinese are the only people who are investing heavily into mining and i am not sure whether they will be profiting in the future with the amount of initial funding they put into mining either way being the only hardware mining company without any competitions they can do anything they want
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December 04, 2016, 11:01:10 PM |
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They release them in batches Likely they make (example numbers) 5000, they probably host half, and sell half to recover their costs. My money is on them selling them for 2x what the cost to make is. lol
As another batch comes up. they sell again Supply and demand, demand out weighs supply. So they are out of stock. When a batch launches it sells out in an hour. I just got one 2 weeks ago.
They still sell them.
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December 04, 2016, 11:53:34 PM |
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They release them in batches Likely they make (example numbers) 5000, they probably host half, and sell half to recover their costs. My money is on them selling them for 2x what the cost to make is. lol
As another batch comes up. they sell again Supply and demand, demand out weighs supply. So they are out of stock. When a batch launches it sells out in an hour. I just got one 2 weeks ago.
They still sell them.
that's what i call "almost not selling". in my book selling for 1-2 hr out of 336hr is not really selling an item. i am not going to waste my time "waiting for Godot". This and wrong (imaginary) btc/$ ratio...
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Brob12321
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December 06, 2016, 04:43:40 AM |
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I think options 1 & 3 are probably the least probable. Bitmain is probably already mining something better than the s9 in their facilities otherwise their operation would be hurt by their own success in the market of selling the miners.
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December 06, 2016, 05:12:37 AM |
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Beside, i'm pretty sure they still take order and are still fulfilling orders for bigger and private buyers. They're apparently much more considerate when dealing with people buying their miners by the palette, as well I am sure if I offered to,buy 1000 s9s bitmain would sell me 1000 of them.
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shield132
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December 06, 2016, 05:42:36 AM |
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Bitmain is mining with antminer s7 on hashnest only, I strongly believe that for theirself they are using antminers s9. There are some factors, first is that they want to fully use s7 and when it will be usable, than renew it with antminers s9 but on market selling of s7 is ended. They announced new batches on R4 and maybe soon they'll announce s9's new batch. So what's about software updates, it's important and isn't depending on market sales, maybe we'll have something in very near future.
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December 07, 2016, 08:18:17 AM |
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Beside, i'm pretty sure they still take order and are still fulfilling orders for bigger and private buyers. They're apparently much more considerate when dealing with people buying their miners by the palette, as well I am sure if I offered to,buy 1000 s9s bitmain would sell me 1000 of them. Im sure you are right actually. There seem to be some big players doing big things behind the scenes like this all the time.
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December 07, 2016, 04:13:58 PM |
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too many conspiracy theories bitmain has most likely,simply ran out of chips on this current batch as far as I know bitmain has never tried to regulate the difficulty or the miners market saturation and would ship as many s9 as they can,given their outrageous overpricing I bet it is way more than 2x mentioned in this topic too
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December 08, 2016, 03:44:00 AM |
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too many conspiracy theories bitmain has most likely,simply ran out of chips on this current batch as far as I know bitmain has never tried to regulate the difficulty or the miners market saturation and would ship as many s9 as they can,given their outrageous overpricing I bet it is way more than 2x mentioned in this topic too
actually, part of possibility #2 is proven, they did not run out of chips: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1708210.msg17115477#new...they were stocking the hashnest with 12.5Th S9
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December 08, 2016, 04:34:03 AM |
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too many conspiracy theories bitmain has most likely,simply ran out of chips on this current batch as far as I know bitmain has never tried to regulate the difficulty or the miners market saturation and would ship as many s9 as they can,given their outrageous overpricing I bet it is way more than 2x mentioned in this topic too
actually, part of possibility #2 is proven, they did not run out of chips: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1708210.msg17115477#new...they were stocking the hashnest with 12.5Th S9 Yeah they also lowered,power cost,on the s7s. And the s7 price went up from .00003 to 0.0004. That is a 33% jump in value Solid score for those that knew this in advance. Basically insider trading. Would be subject to a criminal offense since it should of had at least a 30 day warning. I am sure a few guys scored a lot of coin.
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December 08, 2016, 04:45:55 AM |
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They ran out of chips on their last batch from the foundry is THE most likely cause.
AGAIN.
I'm pretty sure they've long since sold out and swapped out all of their S7 units for S9s or an in-house varient.
at least 60% is true, because the 16nm fabrication technologies is from TSMC only, if the TSMC's order is going excessive, we will need to wait or pay a higher amount, for your information, each chip needs to be processed for 1~2 months.
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December 08, 2016, 05:05:45 AM |
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too many conspiracy theories bitmain has most likely,simply ran out of chips on this current batch as far as I know bitmain has never tried to regulate the difficulty or the miners market saturation and would ship as many s9 as they can,given their outrageous overpricing I bet it is way more than 2x mentioned in this topic too
actually, part of possibility #2 is proven, they did not run out of chips: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1708210.msg17115477#new...they were stocking the hashnest with 12.5Th S9 Yeah they also lowered,power cost,on the s7s. And the s7 price went up from .00003 to 0.0004. That is a 33% jump in value Solid score for those that knew this in advance. Basically insider trading. Would be subject to a criminal offense since it should of had at least a 30 day warning. I am sure a few guys scored a lot of coin. yeah, maybe. i am not familiar with 0.0003 vs 0.0004 as I don't trade there. is this daily or hourly earnings per Th? Makes sense, though, in lieu of rising btc price, which is reflected in 20-30% higher S7 price on ebay vs 2-3 mo ago.
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