Ballon d'Or discussion and odds

[Warkop]

It’ll be Messi, rightly or wrongly but winning the World Cup and being an absolute star in the tournament will swing it in Messi’s favour.

Haaland had a far superior domestic season but Messi will win it, I’m certain of it. This will be the last time Messi wins it though.

This does not need to be speculated more or discussed about more. It is obvious that Messi will be the Ballon d’or winner for last season. His close rivalry Haaland that have been shortlisted really did well but the World Cup won by Messi is enough to give him an advantage over him. Haaland has already achieved a lot in his young age, by next ballon d’or event, I’m hoping to see Haaland close to winning it. Another player I hope to see coming this close to compete with Haaland is Mbappe, which I am sure if he performs well this season, he’ll be a worthy option for the ballon d’or winner together with Haaland.

I agree with your opinion. Messi has shown extraordinary performance over the past season, especially with his achievements and playing ability, this shows that he deserves it. This gave him a strong enough lead to become the winner of the Ballon d'Or. Yes, Haaland also stands out with his achievements and certainly deserves this award in the future. It's true that Mbappe has great potential to rival Haaland, but I don't think only Mbappe will compete with Haaland. Kevin de Bruyne also has very good playing experience and his potential to compete with Mbappe is very large this season, but it all depends on their appearance and performance this season. So let's see who will dominate the Ballon d'Or awards in the future.

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[Plaguedeath]

It's a big joke people still think Haaland, De Bruyne, Mbappe, Rodri, Osimhen, etc etc will win the Ballon d'Or.

It's already obvious Messi will win because we all know Ballon d'Or is rigged and FIFA always favoring Messi. This is the reason why Messi has the most Ballon d'Or, if not it will be Ronaldo. Xavi, Iniesta, Lewandowski, Kane, Ribery, or Neymar should be won, but Messi robbed it.

[bangjoe]

Of course for the nominations for the ballon d'Or 2023 which has great potential to get it is Messi if you look at the journey that is done one year back with PSG and Argentina, it cannot be doubted anymore, about haaland, I am still a new child, even though he gained popularity very high and shocking achievements with the achievements of the cave but it is not a guarantee that he will get it because it depends on Manchester City, the activity of football matches defending the country also makes one additional value for the winner. But indeed there is nothing else to make a rival besides him for a closer nomination.

To be honest, I was very disappointed because Ronaldo did not enter the nomination, Messi's fans would be more happy.lol

Usually winning UEFA Champion League is parameter to be the winner of Ballon D'or but an exceptional when Lionel Messi keep dominance or he has bigger chance than Haaland. Winning FIFA World Cup 2022 is one thing make special achievement for Lionel Messi with his national teams but he has bad performance when playing with PSG last season after failure in Champion League. Actually Haaland is strong candidate for winning Ballon D'or but he don't have special performance with his national teams but with impressive achievement by winning three tittles with Manchester City last season could be important points why Haaland have to get Ballon D'or.

Its seems funny if Lionel Messi get Ballon D'or again because he plays with bad or not competitive league as MLS than Haaland played in Premier League  .

I don't slightly think Messi could be considered to win an eight Ballon d'or  as he's playing for MLS, a weaker league compared to where champions league soccer is played and the pressure to perform is tested to the core.
Haaland might be a notable contender for the Ballon d'or, but he doesn't quite measure up with the criteria yet. He has to perform outside club matches like in the world cup, champions league. He has to increase his goal tally and consistency too. Am also confident this talk of Haaland is possible owning to the fact of a great manager in the person of Pep Guardiola. He managed Messi well at Barca and with Haaland under his wings, am sure he would polish him into a fine Ballon d'or winner.

The two candidates between Lionel Messi and Erling Haaland have two different sides of the assessment and resistant, both of them have a very good achievement in the back season, I do not know what the percentage of each victory achieved by a player to increase his chances of winning Ballon d'Or, Maybe someone helped me.
Historically Erling Haaland got three quite prestigious trophies and also he was the top score, even so only victory with the national team he did not get it. From fans catching statistics, the possibility of Lionel Messi has a greater presight.
Pep might make him win the Ballon d'Or next season.

[ajiz138]

It's a big joke people still think Haaland, De Bruyne, Mbappe, Rodri, Osimhen, etc etc will win the Ballon d'Or.

It's already obvious Messi will win because we all know Ballon d'Or is rigged and FIFA always favoring Messi. This is the reason why Messi has the most Ballon d'Or, if not it will be Ronaldo. Xavi, Iniesta, Lewandowski, Kane, Ribery, or Neymar should be won, but Messi robbed it.

Hahaha even though they deserve the Ballon d'Or, but the view is that if there is still Messi in it all belongs to him.

You know that some time ago the FIFA president watched an Inter Miami match with Messi in it? Many theories he was watching his son, there were some other statements that this year's Ballon d'Or will have Messi too.

Just enjoy the event. Messi will go to the stage and take the Ballon d'Or. LOL

[Mr.suevie]

It's a big joke people still think Haaland, De Bruyne, Mbappe, Rodri, Osimhen, etc etc will win the Ballon d'Or.

It's already obvious Messi will win because we all know Ballon d'Or is rigged and FIFA always favoring Messi. This is the reason why Messi has the most Ballon d'Or, if not it will be Ronaldo. Xavi, Iniesta, Lewandowski, Kane, Ribery, or Neymar should be won, but Messi robbed it.

Why are you saying this mate although I know the balloon d'Or isn't the perfect award and it's root is rather full with some sort of corruption but I can tell you that Messi is an excellent player and if not any balloon Dior title he has won but this particular year when he won the world cup he surely deserves it because I think the world cup is certainly the most prestigious thing to win and he has been craving to win this title which he has finally done so gifting the balloon d'Or is the only reward worth given.

[flipme]

It's a big joke people still think Haaland, De Bruyne, Mbappe, Rodri, Osimhen, etc etc will win the Ballon d'Or.

It's already obvious Messi will win because we all know Ballon d'Or is rigged and FIFA always favoring Messi. This is the reason why Messi has the most Ballon d'Or, if not it will be Ronaldo. Xavi, Iniesta, Lewandowski, Kane, Ribery, or Neymar should be won, but Messi robbed it.

Haaland has broken all records this season. All football fans were mesmerized by Haaland's impressive performance. They can't steal this award from Haaland, public pressure would destroy the prestige of the Ballon D'or.

However, under normal circumstances I would have bet on Haaland, but because of your warning, I will not bet on this award ceremony. It really looks like a bit of a shady award ceremony. I will put my money on better bets.

[Plaguedeath]

Haaland has broken all records this season. All football fans were mesmerized by Haaland's impressive performance. They can't steal this award from Haaland, public pressure would destroy the prestige of the Ballon D'or.

However, under normal circumstances I would have bet on Haaland, but because of your warning, I will not bet on this award ceremony. It really looks like a bit of a shady award ceremony. I will put my money on better bets.

People will counter your argument by saying World Cup is more precious because it happen once every 4 years while Premier League, Champions League and FA Cup happen every year. So the probability to win those league are higher than World Cup.

The probability of each player to win Ballon d'Or is:

Messi 95%
Haaland 1%
Mbappe 1%
Rodri 1%
De Bruyne 1%
Osimhen 1%

If Messi didn't win the World Cup, the probability Haaland could win will up to 50%.

[Hirose UK]

It's a big joke people still think Haaland, De Bruyne, Mbappe, Rodri, Osimhen, etc etc will win the Ballon d'Or.

It's no joke but if you look at the game statistics of all the players especially the young players the list is quite good and Haaland or Mbappe should be the two most worthy contenders to win the Ballon d'Or, but somehow FIFA always has its own way of selecting players who deserve this award.

It's already obvious Messi will win because we all know Ballon d'Or is rigged and FIFA always favoring Messi. This is the reason why Messi has the most Ballon d'Or, if not it will be Ronaldo. Xavi, Iniesta, Lewandowski, Kane, Ribery, or Neymar should be won, but Messi robbed it.

Actually, it is unethical to say that the Ballon d'Or is rigged and that FIFA always favors Messi
But in reality that how it is and Ronaldo is always behind Messi in the assessment of the Ballon d'Or award.
Maybe Messi has become the golden boy for FIFA and he is the only player to have received this award the most in the history of football.

[knowngunman]

Haaland has broken all records this season. All football fans were mesmerized by Haaland's impressive performance. They can't steal this award from Haaland, public pressure would destroy the prestige of the Ballon D'or.

However, under normal circumstances I would have bet on Haaland, but because of your warning, I will not bet on this award ceremony. It really looks like a bit of a shady award ceremony. I will put my money on better bets.

It's no longer news that Ballon D'or is characterized by politics and corruption. I usually have that belief in doubt until 2020 when everything was obvious and they used COVID-19 as cover up and excuse. Favoritism is playing a greater role between FIFA and Messi. This year is another chance for FIFA to prove us wrong that they're not bias and favor no player and the award is based on merit. If they eventually use world cup as the basis of measurement to deprive Haaland of well deserved award and favor Messi then, it's high time they stop organizing event for it. Messi should just collect it automatically every year.

People will counter your argument by saying World Cup is more precious because it happen once every 4 years while Premier League, Champions League and FA Cup happen every year. So the probability to win those league are higher than World Cup.

The probability of each player to win Ballon d'Or is:

Messi 95%
Haaland 1%
Mbappe 1%
Rodri 1%
De Bruyne 1%
Osimhen 1%

If Messi didn't win the World Cup, the probability Haaland could win will up to 50%.

How does this stats comes by? Messi having 95% probability is the biggest joke. This statistics practically mean Messi won the D'or award already. What was his individual contribution during the world cup? Ballon D'or is FIFA thing and they give it to whom they wish. We are however observing to see how they play their politics this year.

[LUCKMCFLY]

It's a big joke people still think Haaland, De Bruyne, Mbappe, Rodri, Osimhen, etc etc will win the Ballon d'Or.

It's already obvious Messi will win because we all know Ballon d'Or is rigged and FIFA always favoring Messi. This is the reason why Messi has the most Ballon d'Or, if not it will be Ronaldo. Xavi, Iniesta, Lewandowski, Kane, Ribery, or Neymar should be won, but Messi robbed it.

Why are you saying this mate although I know the balloon d'Or isn't the perfect award and it's root is rather full with some sort of corruption but I can tell you that Messi is an excellent player and if not any balloon Dior title he has won but this particular year when he won the world cup he surely deserves it because I think the world cup is certainly the most prestigious thing to win and he has been craving to win this title which he has finally done so gifting the balloon d'Or is the only reward worth given.

Well the bets are quite high, I personally have also felt at one Point that FIFA Favors Messi a lot, maybe on this occasion he can win it, for the simple fact that he beats things when it comes to doing something well for Messi. He can compete for another World Cup if he Stays , and what more incentive should be given to him to stay, if that's what it means , because I don't see why it won't be given to him, in particular I don't see both Haaland and Mbappé as deserving. Still, neither does the Belgian, and right now CR7, who is my favorite player, didn't come in, so I might think that yes, that FIFA could have something Rigged on this, and I'm sure that if we ask any Dutchman for their point of view There will be no doubt that what I say is completely right, the Dutch after Qatar were very bad, especially Van Gaal who threw a lot of harsh anger at a Messi who challenged him in the middle of the World Cup by making the Topoyi Gesture , something that really Bothered me. I liked the hat as he did it, in the same style as an Argentinian who doesn't care about anything. I liked that world because of all that, because they practically took off their clothes in the sun. There are chaos that happen, I really see that things are going in this direction, it gives me a thrill Because that spice is what is always missing in football and if FIFA is involved in that problem (as always) then it's not bad, I I like to see this kind of thing, because it's something different, things are getting hot.

FIFA has always been Involved in some little problems of this style, it is not a lie that a player who does not like it, a player who begins to be silenced little by little, then it is better to be in the most politically Accepted Position than to be in a Situation where the FIFA Little by little becomes silent about what a player is.

I'm eager to see what will happen with the Ballon d'Or, but to be Honest , to me that award doesn't mean much, the time they stole the Ballon d'Or from Lewa was Something quite Shameless.

[KTChampions]

People will counter your argument by saying World Cup is more precious because it happen once every 4 years while Premier League, Champions League and FA Cup happen every year. So the probability to win those league are higher than World Cup.

The probability of each player to win Ballon d'Or is:

Messi 95%
Haaland 1%
Mbappe 1%
Rodri 1%
De Bruyne 1%
Osimhen 1%

If Messi didn't win the World Cup, the probability Haaland could win will up to 50%.

This argument is just a mockery of common sense. Once again: in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won the European Championship twice + World Cup. Messi failed at the World Cup and the America's Cup. At club level they had the same achievements. And... Surprise! Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors during this period, while Xavi and Iniesta received zero 

Do you seriously want to discuss this cesspool of corruption award? In my opinion, Messi rather tarnished his image than became famous for silently receiving all these shameful awards.

[famososMuertos]

People will counter your argument by saying World Cup is more precious because it happen once every 4 years while Premier League, Champions League and FA Cup happen every year. So the probability to win those league are higher than World Cup.

The probability of each player to win Ballon d'Or is:

Messi 95%
Haaland 1%
Mbappe 1%
Rodri 1%
De Bruyne 1%
Osimhen 1%

If Messi didn't win the World Cup, the probability Haaland could win will up to 50%.

This argument is just a mockery of common sense. Once again: in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won the European Championship twice + World Cup. Messi failed at the World Cup and the America's Cup. At club level they had the same achievements. And... Surprise! Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors during this period, while Xavi and Iniesta received zero  

Do you seriously want to discuss this cesspool of corruption award? In my opinion, Messi rather tarnished his image than became famous for silently receiving all these shameful awards.

Well, that of tarnishing his name perhaps for the 1% (hypothetical) of fans, who may have been bothered by seeing Messi win a Ballon d'Or.

Then, whether Messi wins a Ballon d'Or or not, it is not defined by his talent vs. performances, it is up to the journalists and specialists who choose it, for them in any case the stain you mention.

 The stain that Messi has carried every time he is chosen is left in his advertising contracts that improve or simply remain.

[KTChampions]

This argument is just a mockery of common sense. Once again: in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won the European Championship twice + World Cup. Messi failed at the World Cup and the America's Cup. At club level they had the same achievements. And... Surprise! Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors during this period, while Xavi and Iniesta received zero  

Do you seriously want to discuss this cesspool of corruption award? In my opinion, Messi rather tarnished his image than became famous for silently receiving all these shameful awards.

Well, that of tarnishing his name perhaps for the 1% (hypothetical) of fans, who may have been bothered by seeing Messi win a Ballon d'Or.

Then, whether Messi wins a Ballon d'Or or not, it is not defined by his talent vs. performances, it is up to the journalists and specialists who choose it, for them in any case the stain you mention.

 The stain that Messi has carried every time he is chosen is left in his advertising contracts that improve or simply remain.

The fact that scammers, all kinds of thieves, feel great is known to everyone, and you haven’t discovered anything new here. Even the notorious corrupt official Blatter "Messi's father" was convicted of his crimes but got off with a trifling fine.
However, 99% of people don’t care about this, so we have what we have. Even if Djokovic or Magnus Carlsen win the Ballon d'Or tomorrow, few people will be indignant 

[Docnaster]

People will counter your argument by saying World Cup is more precious because it happen once every 4 years while Premier League, Champions League and FA Cup happen every year. So the probability to win those league are higher than World Cup.

The probability of each player to win Ballon d'Or is:

Messi 95%
Haaland 1%
Mbappe 1%
Rodri 1%
De Bruyne 1%
Osimhen 1%

If Messi didn't win the World Cup, the probability Haaland could win will up to 50%.

This argument is just a mockery of common sense. Once again: in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won the European Championship twice + World Cup. Messi failed at the World Cup and the America's Cup. At club level they had the same achievements. And... Surprise! Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors during this period, while Xavi and Iniesta received zero 

Do you seriously want to discuss this cesspool of corruption award? In my opinion, Messi rather tarnished his image than became famous for silently receiving all these shameful awards.

I think Lionel Messi after his heroic performance in the FIFA World Cup last year deserves the Balon D'or even when I'm not his fan. He was the most important player for Argentine in that tournament and he delivered unbelievable performances that helped his country lift football's most prestigious trophy since they last did in 1986.
That being said, I think the above statistics is absolutely disrespectful to Erling Haaland after he helped Manchester City win treble last season. He is a serious contender for the Balon D'or and I don't see any reason why he should get just 1% while Messi gets 95%

[Mame89]

If Messi didn't win the World Cup, the probability Haaland could win will up to 50%.

If based on being able to win the world cup, the 2010 Ballon D'Or should have belonged to Iniesta, because he was the one who succeeded in bringing Spain to win the world cup. But in fact the one who got it was Lionel Messi because he saw his performance at Barcelona at that time. If the benchmark is as I mentioned, Haaland should have gotten it because of his performance at the club. Meanwhile, Lionel Messi, even though he was able to bring Argentina to the World Cup title, his performance at PSG was very poor. criticized by PSG ultras.

It's already obvious Messi will win because we all know Ballon d'Or is rigged and FIFA always favoring Messi. This is the reason why Messi has the most Ballon d'Or, if not it will be Ronaldo. Xavi, Iniesta, Lewandowski, Kane, Ribery, or Neymar should be won, but Messi robbed it.

Actually, it is unethical to say that the Ballon d'Or is rigged and that FIFA always favors Messi
But in reality that how it is and Ronaldo is always behind Messi in the assessment of the Ballon d'Or award.
Maybe Messi has become the golden boy for FIFA and he is the only player to have received this award the most in the history of football.

Will Haaland's Ballon D'Or Trophy be stolen by Lionel Messi like what happened to Lewandowski?? If true, then the assumption about FIFA's golden child is true. It really doesn't make sense if Haaland doesn't get it. Haaland's current situation can be described as holding the Ballon D'Or Trophy in one hand. If Haaland didn't win it, it means someone took it.

[Minor Miner]

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FIFA is always making it difficult for one to tell the statistics they are using in picking the final winner, they are always changing it to favour a particular player. I could remember vividly 2010 Ballon D'or when they rubbed Wesley Sneijder the award who won the champions league with Inter Milan and finished as runner up in 2010 world cup with Netherlands, but Messi was chosen over him.

In this year's award, if they want to go by european success, then Erling Halaand should land the award but if the want to go by World cup (or World cup and europe), then I think Julian Alvarez is the best candidate. Winning the champions league alongside every other trophies Messi won like Copa America, Finalissima and World Cup gives him an edge over Messi.

I definitely think that this time it is going to be Lionel Messi as well. FIFA is going to give him another Ballon d’Or and maybe this time it is going to be actually justified. After all, he had to do a lot of hard work to win the World Cup.

But I think this should be given based on performance, right? If there is a trophy given for winning the World Cup it is the World Cup itself. They do not need to give him another. At least that’s what I think. But of course, some people are still going to disagree with me.

[Rampagoe004]

However, under normal circumstances I would have bet on Haaland, but because of your warning, I will not bet on this award ceremony. It really looks like a bit of a shady award ceremony. I will put my money on better bets.

I also think Messi will get at least 1 more Ballon D'or before he retires. I admit that Messi is a miracle in football. If CR7 is a picture of a hard worker, then Messi is a picture of a gift of talent from God. But that was Messi in his prime. Right now I think Messi is getting special treatment from Fifa. And that makes me think that at least Messi will get another Balllon D'or.

[LUCKMCFLY]

However, under normal circumstances I would have bet on Haaland, but because of your warning, I will not bet on this award ceremony. It really looks like a bit of a shady award ceremony. I will put my money on better bets.

I also think Messi will get at least 1 more Ballon D'or before he retires. I admit that Messi is a miracle in football. If CR7 is a picture of a hard worker, then Messi is a picture of a gift of talent from God. But that was Messi in his prime. Right now I think Messi is getting special treatment from Fifa. And that makes me think that at least Messi will get another Balllon D'or.

In terms of merits, for me Haaland is the undisputable one, but a lot has been said about Messi, also in the MLS a lot has been speculated about him where they say that things are regulated a lot for him, so I think that FIFA is really very biased. about the Ballon d'Or, it can be awarded to him for the simple fact that they don't want him to leave or retire from football yet, so these things look bad, I would think that things should be fairer, I don't dare either 'I'm not going to bet, because it would be like losing money, I would go for Haaland, because he is the one who has scored the most goals, I wouldn't even go for Mbappé, it seems to me that Mbappé's performance has not been worthy at all through what has shown in the last football season, but Messi is a very influential person and well, what they decide in FIFA is something that we can say that yes, they will give it to Messi, because as I said before when it was about Messi vs Lewa They took away the Ballon d'Or from Lewa because he had done much more merit for being in that position and with that award, but things in FIFA are managed under some interests that obey things that perhaps will give them more money in the future.

The Ballon d'Or seemed more exciting to me when it was between Messi and CR7 because it was something that was worth betting on, that is, not now, since they began to be more biased in FIFA with respect to that award, no longer. They choose those who truly deserve it, when it's the Ballon d'Or I understand the one with the most goals and the one with the best performance, so this is very debatable, because for me it would only be 2 Haaland and Mbappé, but obviously the things from now on with so much criticism that has been made to FIFA from Qatar, well I don't know what decision they have already made, because the winner is already there, but to be safer, I think whoever is going to bet, it would be on Messi , because it is only what FIFA would determine and everyone agrees on that.

[Plaguedeath]

I think the above statistics is absolutely disrespectful to Erling Haaland after he helped Manchester City win treble last season. He is a serious contender for the Balon D'or and I don't see any reason why he should get just 1% while Messi gets 95%

You might think it's disrespectful, I also agree about that, but that's the reality. No matter how good you're and your contribution in football, Messi will win if he win something in international.

If based on being able to win the world cup, the 2010 Ballon D'Or should have belonged to Iniesta, because he was the one who succeeded in bringing Spain to win the world cup.

Well, that's different because Messi's popularity and Iniesta's popularity aren't same.

When Messi win something, there are 480 Millions people will talk about him, posting about him and celebrate it. But when Iniesta is win, there are only 40 Millions people do that, so the power of Messi is way more higher.

*The numbers come from their's Instagram followers.

[Godday]

You might think it's disrespectful, I also agree about that, but that's the reality. No matter how good you're and your contribution in football, Messi will win if he win something in international.

Talking about this, whether it's a coincidence or not, the strong candidates for winning the Ballon D'or in the year after the world cup are key players from the national team that won the world cup. In 2002 Ronaldo Nazario won the Ballon d'Or even though in that year I thought Roberto Carlos was more worthy. In 2006 Cannavaro won the Ballon d'Or even though it is very rare for a defender to win in modern football.
So even though City won the treble, the influence of the World Cup is still very strong in influencing the value of the Ballon d'Or.