Ballon d'Or discussion and odds

[Frankolala]

Of course for the nominations for the ballon d'Or 2023 which has great potential to get it is Messi if you look at the journey that is done one year back with PSG and Argentina, it cannot be doubted anymore, about haaland, I am still a new child, even though he gained popularity very high and shocking achievements with the achievements of the cave but it is not a guarantee that he will get it because it depends on Manchester City, the activity of football matches defending the country also makes one additional value for the winner. But indeed there is nothing else to make a rival besides him for a closer nomination.

To be honest, I was very disappointed because Ronaldo did not enter the nomination, Messi's fans would be more happy.lol

Usually winning UEFA Champion League is parameter to be the winner of Ballon D'or but an exceptional when Lionel Messi keep dominance or he has bigger chance than Haaland. Winning FIFA World Cup 2022 is one thing make special achievement for Lionel Messi with his national teams but he has bad performance when playing with PSG last season after failure in Champion League. Actually Haaland is strong candidate for winning Ballon D'or but he don't have special performance with his national teams but with impressive achievement by winning three tittles with Manchester City last season could be important points why Haaland have to get Ballon D'or.

Its seems funny if Lionel Messi get Ballon D'or again because he plays with bad or not competitive league as MLS than Haaland played in Premier League  .

I don't slightly think Messi could be considered to win an eight Ballon d'or  as he's playing for MLS, a weaker league compared to where champions league soccer is played and the pressure to perform is tested to the core.
Haaland might be a notable contender for the Ballon d'or, but he doesn't quite measure up with the criteria yet. He has to perform outside club matches like in the world cup, champions league. He has to increase his goal tally and consistency too. Am also confident this talk of Haaland is possible owning to the fact of a great manager in the person of Pep Guardiola. He managed Messi well at Barca and with Haaland under his wings, am sure he would polish him into a fine Ballon d'or winner.

The two candidates between Lionel Messi and Erling Haaland have two different sides of the assessment and resistant, both of them have a very good achievement in the back season, I do not know what the percentage of each victory achieved by a player to increase his chances of winning Ballon d'Or, Maybe someone helped me.
Historically Erling Haaland got three quite prestigious trophies and also he was the top score, even so only victory with the national team he did not get it. From fans catching statistics, the possibility of Lionel Messi has a greater presight.
Pep might make him win the Ballon d'Or next season.

Haalad won three precious trophy last season, but Messi won the golden trophy which is the world cup. This has made him to be superior to Haalad in their achievement. This is the reason why Messi will win it. We all knew that apart from the world cup, Messi didn't put in a good performance in the European leagues.

Haalad performance in all leagues was superb but he wasn't able to do this in the world cup because his country didn't make it. I think that this will be the last Ballon'd 'or for Messi and this is the reason why Haalad should continue with his excellent performance so that he can win it next time, since the world cup wouldn't be used as a criterion.

[borovichok]

Haalad won three precious trophy last season, but Messi won the golden trophy which is the world cup. This has made him to be superior to Haalad in their achievement. This is the reason why Messi will win it. We all knew that apart from the world cup, Messi didn't put in a good performance in the European leagues.

Haalad performance in all leagues was superb but he wasn't able to do this in the world cup because his country didn't make it. I think that this will be the last Ballon'd 'or for Messi and this is the reason why Haalad should continue with his excellent performance so that he can win it next time, since the world cup wouldn't be used as a criterion.

Ballon d'Or would be awarded to the best player in the world of football currently. Erling Haaland and Leo Messi are in the picture interms of goals and performance put in winning significant trophies. Erling Haaland made quite a brilliant performance in his first season at Etihad Stadium, winning a treble with Manchester City but all these trophies are based on club levels while the undisputed GOAT won his first World Cup and also lifting a memorable trophy with his new club, Inter Miami making him the most decorated player in football history. However it would tough to choose the winner of this year Ballon d'Or.

[bangjoe]

The two candidates between Lionel Messi and Erling Haaland have two different sides of the assessment and resistant, both of them have a very good achievement in the back season, I do not know what the percentage of each victory achieved by a player to increase his chances of winning Ballon d'Or, Maybe someone helped me.
Historically Erling Haaland got three quite prestigious trophies and also he was the top score, even so only victory with the national team he did not get it. From fans catching statistics, the possibility of Lionel Messi has a greater presight.
Pep might make him win the Ballon d'Or next season.

Haalad won three precious trophy last season, but Messi won the golden trophy which is the world cup. This has made him to be superior to Haalad in their achievement. This is the reason why Messi will win it. We all knew that apart from the world cup, Messi didn't put in a good performance in the European leagues.

Haalad performance in all leagues was superb but he wasn't able to do this in the world cup because his country didn't make it. I think that this will be the last Ballon'd 'or for Messi and this is the reason why Haalad should continue with his excellent performance so that he can win it next time, since the world cup wouldn't be used as a criterion.

It is true that the biggest difference that stands out only in the golden trophy that Lionel Messi gets with Agentina, this is enough thing that is difficult to get for Haaland, because after all the team is big in the process of getting it.

But the achievement of the trophy in my opinion is not the only benchmark, many other assessments that might be able to cover the shortcomings possessed by Haaland, who knows for this season has a different criterion in his assessment, even though I am also not sure.

[DaNNy001]

Haalad won three precious trophy last season, but Messi won the golden trophy which is the world cup. This has made him to be superior to Haalad in their achievement. This is the reason why Messi will win it. We all knew that apart from the world cup, Messi didn't put in a good performance in the European leagues.

Haalad performance in all leagues was superb but he wasn't able to do this in the world cup because his country didn't make it. I think that this will be the last Ballon'd 'or for Messi and this is the reason why Haalad should continue with his excellent performance so that he can win it next time, since the world cup wouldn't be used as a criterion.

Ballon d'Or would be awarded to the best player in the world of football currently. Erling Haaland and Leo Messi are in the picture interms of goals and performance put in winning significant trophies. Erling Haaland made quite a brilliant performance in his first season at Etihad Stadium, winning a treble with Manchester City but all these trophies are based on club levels while the undisputed GOAT won his first World Cup and also lifting a memorable trophy with his new club, Inter Miami making him the most decorated player in football history. However it would tough to choose the winner of this year Ballon d'Or.

Well I don't know how this would be tough to choose because if am not mistaking this particular award has been given to your so called GOAT  even in most years that it was very clear he didn't even deserved it so why would this year be any different I mean he won the number one trophy every player in his career have strived for which is the well decorated world cup.

[shogun47]

Haalad won three precious trophy last season, but Messi won the golden trophy which is the world cup. This has made him to be superior to Haalad in their achievement. This is the reason why Messi will win it. We all knew that apart from the world cup, Messi didn't put in a good performance in the European leagues.

Haalad performance in all leagues was superb but he wasn't able to do this in the world cup because his country didn't make it. I think that this will be the last Ballon'd 'or for Messi and this is the reason why Haalad should continue with his excellent performance so that he can win it next time, since the world cup wouldn't be used as a criterion.

Ballon d'Or would be awarded to the best player in the world of football currently. Erling Haaland and Leo Messi are in the picture interms of goals and performance put in winning significant trophies. Erling Haaland made quite a brilliant performance in his first season at Etihad Stadium, winning a treble with Manchester City but all these trophies are based on club levels while the undisputed GOAT won his first World Cup and also lifting a memorable trophy with his new club, Inter Miami making him the most decorated player in football history. However it would tough to choose the winner of this year Ballon d'Or.

I believe this selection will be closer than ever before and I am not sure whether Haaland is yet able to take that award away from Messi. But if I was asked to vote, I think on an individual level Haaland had the more impressive total performance and it is somehow unfair but also comprehensible when the World Cup ultimately counts more than the treble. I think it is a difficult decision and I am looking forward to that result. The World Cup was also the final chapter of the Messi fairytale, which could also have some meaning for those who are eligible to vote. They might think that it is no issue if Haaland gets it sometime later.

[Slow death]

I honestly don't understand the criteria they have used to award these awards, but in my opinion it's time to retire Messi and Ronaldo from these awards and focus on other players like Mbappe and Haaland, the contributions Mbappe made to France are very visible. World Cup and at PSG, he is without a doubt a very talented player, but it seems that Messi will not be dethroned yet, and when I talk about dethroned I am referring to not putting him on that list. the guy has already won everything and now he's playing on a team without much relevance and yet the guy still appears on these lists. This way, new generation players won't be motivated

Just look at the fact that for more than 5 years, Ronaldo and Messi have monopolized these big prizes and the attention of the news channels, even if another player appears and wins something, not much attention is given, it was necessary for Messi and Ronaldo to go to lower teams quality for them to reduce the attention of sports news channels a little, now they also no longer appear on these individual award lists, the guys must retire and make way for new players. It's true that there won't be a competitive duo like Messi and Ronaldo anytime soon.

I see that Karin Benzema could also win an individual award, but the fact that he didn't play in the World Cup and Real Madrid didn't manage to win something must weigh heavily on him not winning, I also don't see Vinicus winning anything. That's why Messi and Haaland are the most likely winners

[KTChampions]

Haalad won three precious trophy last season, but Messi won the golden trophy which is the world cup. This has made him to be superior to Haalad in their achievement. This is the reason why Messi will win it. We all knew that apart from the world cup, Messi didn't put in a good performance in the European leagues.

Haalad performance in all leagues was superb but he wasn't able to do this in the world cup because his country didn't make it. I think that this will be the last Ballon'd 'or for Messi and this is the reason why Haalad should continue with his excellent performance so that he can win it next time, since the world cup wouldn't be used as a criterion.

I'm already tired of listening to tales about the World Cup and its importance 
Maybe you can explain to me how Xavi and Iniesta, who won the 2010 World Cup (where Messi completely failed - zero goals and zero assists) did not receive the Ballon d'Or?  And in addition to this, Xavi and Iniesta won the European Championship in 2008 and 2012. But Messi (who was unsuccessful at the 2011 Copa America) received four Ballon d'Ors.

[shogun47]

I honestly don't understand the criteria they have used to award these awards, but in my opinion it's time to retire Messi and Ronaldo from these awards and focus on other players like Mbappe and Haaland, the contributions Mbappe made to France are very visible. World Cup and at PSG, he is without a doubt a very talented player, but it seems that Messi will not be dethroned yet, and when I talk about dethroned I am referring to not putting him on that list. the guy has already won everything and now he's playing on a team without much relevance and yet the guy still appears on these lists. This way, new generation players won't be motivated

Just look at the fact that for more than 5 years, Ronaldo and Messi have monopolized these big prizes and the attention of the news channels, even if another player appears and wins something, not much attention is given, it was necessary for Messi and Ronaldo to go to lower teams quality for them to reduce the attention of sports news channels a little, now they also no longer appear on these individual award lists, the guys must retire and make way for new players. It's true that there won't be a competitive duo like Messi and Ronaldo anytime soon.

I see that Karin Benzema could also win an individual award, but the fact that he didn't play in the World Cup and Real Madrid didn't manage to win something must weigh heavily on him not winning, I also don't see Vinicus winning anything. That's why Messi and Haaland are the most likely winners

This is all true what you said, but I think we have a problem with the fine line here that should be drawn between performance and titles. If we overvalue the weight of titles for this award, Haaland will never win a European Championship and never win a World Cup, but that should not prevent him from winning this award as this doesn't say much about his individual strength and performance as a player. Then again it feels kind of normal to include titles and the World Cup is the biggest title one can win. But here is the problem: I really don't know what to think of Mbappe winning Ligue 1 with PSG. I agree that Mbappe is definitely one of the best three players in the world. For me there is no doubt, but it was also his choice to play some soccer in an inferior league with a massively financially ballooned PSG agains the rest of the country. I don't know, it is not easy.

Haaland would never be a wrong choice as he his down to earth, modest, very authentic and hard working and most important, incredibly successful. Messi is still the best in terms of precision and passing accuracy, understanding of the game dynamics, changing the game dynamics however he wishes, and smartly scoring. He doesn't use force, which I really like.

I also think that Kevin De Bruyne is one of the best midfielders ever to play this game.

[Rampagoe004]

I'm already tired of listening to tales about the World Cup and its importance 
Maybe you can explain to me how Xavi and Iniesta, who won the 2010 World Cup (where Messi completely failed - zero goals and zero assists) did not receive the Ballon d'Or?  And in addition to this, Xavi and Iniesta won the European Championship in 2008 and 2012. But Messi (who was unsuccessful at the 2011 Copa America) received four Ballon d'Ors.

What I can say is that from 2008 - 2017 was the era of Messi and Ronaldo's rivalry. I think this was a bias so that at that time people only saw 2 people as great players who deserved to win the Ballon d'Or. At that time they both dominated the world of football statistically. That period was also a period of rivalry between the two of them. I think that's what made the Ballon d'Or in that era only have the names of 2 players.

[KTChampions]

I'm already tired of listening to tales about the World Cup and its importance 
Maybe you can explain to me how Xavi and Iniesta, who won the 2010 World Cup (where Messi completely failed - zero goals and zero assists) did not receive the Ballon d'Or?  And in addition to this, Xavi and Iniesta won the European Championship in 2008 and 2012. But Messi (who was unsuccessful at the 2011 Copa America) received four Ballon d'Ors.

What I can say is that from 2008 - 2017 was the era of Messi and Ronaldo's rivalry. I think this was a bias so that at that time people only saw 2 people as great players who deserved to win the Ballon d'Or. At that time they both dominated the world of football statistically. That period was also a period of rivalry between the two of them. I think that's what made the Ballon d'Or in that era only have the names of 2 players.

Apparently you are far from football or haven’t seen it carefully 
No one will probably argue about the era (although there is an obvious question about the boundaries of this era), but if we are talking about separate years, then many football players could qualify for the Ballon d'Or . For example, in 2010, besides Xavi and Iniesta, about whom I already wrote, such football players were Sneijder and Forlan (I’m sure few people will remember why, haha, because people are guided by what the TV tells them).

[n00ber]

I'm already tired of listening to tales about the World Cup and its importance 
Maybe you can explain to me how Xavi and Iniesta, who won the 2010 World Cup (where Messi completely failed - zero goals and zero assists) did not receive the Ballon d'Or?  And in addition to this, Xavi and Iniesta won the European Championship in 2008 and 2012. But Messi (who was unsuccessful at the 2011 Copa America) received four Ballon d'Ors.

What I can say is that from 2008 - 2017 was the era of Messi and Ronaldo's rivalry. I think this was a bias so that at that time people only saw 2 people as great players who deserved to win the Ballon d'Or. At that time they both dominated the world of football statistically. That period was also a period of rivalry between the two of them. I think that's what made the Ballon d'Or in that era only have the names of 2 players.

Apparently you are far from football or haven’t seen it carefully 
No one will probably argue about the era (although there is an obvious question about the boundaries of this era), but if we are talking about separate years, then many football players could qualify for the Ballon d'Or . For example, in 2010, besides Xavi and Iniesta, about whom I already wrote, such football players were Sneijder and Forlan (I’m sure few people will remember why, haha, because people are guided by what the TV tells them).

I won't explain why Messi received those golden balls. Messi surpassed Xavi, Iniesta, and even his rival Ronaldo to receive the Golden Ball in those years continuously. This is fair, and there will be no bias here. People are skeptical because he has so many Golden Ball titles in his career. Even the recent World Cup championship was the focus of everyone's discussion.
Even though he moved to Inter Miami this summer, Messi is still a strong candidate for the 2023 Golden Ball title. If he continues to hold this title, I'm curious to see what other stories the media will come up with.

[KTChampions]

I won't explain why Messi received those golden balls. Messi surpassed Xavi, Iniesta, and even his rival Ronaldo to receive the Golden Ball in those years continuously. This is fair, and there will be no bias here. ~

Are you from some sect? Or you were banned from Wiki and you cannot see that during the period 2008-2012 Xavi and Iniesta won 2 European Championships plus the World Cup. During this period, Messi failed at the World Cup and was not successful at the Copa America. At the club level they had the same achievements (you know that they played in the same team?) so it is undeniable that Xavi and Iniesta were >>> than Messi during this period, but Messi received 4 Ballon d'Or and they got zero.
Messi is just the son of the bastard corrupt official Blatter and that says it all.

[Plaguedeath]

Are you from some sect? Or you were banned from Wiki and you cannot see that during the period 2008-2012 Xavi and Iniesta won 2 European Championships plus the World Cup. During this period, Messi failed at the World Cup and was not successful at the Copa America. At the club level they had the same achievements (you know that they played in the same team?) so it is undeniable that Xavi and Iniesta were >>> than Messi during this period, but Messi received 4 Ballon d'Or and they got zero.
Messi is just the son of the bastard corrupt official Blatter and that says it all.

Obviously he's a Messi fan, who's not happy when his role model win something a sexy or huge achievement?

Although I hate Messi because he's treat unfairly by FIFA, but it's not mean I'm a Ronaldo fan. After all I just want the right person get the right reward, it's a big joke to see a good reward is rewarded to wrong person.

Remember this, when Ronaldo is joined Saudi Pro League aka not competitive league, he's not included in Ballon d'Or nomination. However Messi is joined MLS aka not competitive league too, but I 100% believe he will be one of nomination in the next Ballon d'Or.

[Die_empty]

Are you from some sect? Or you were banned from Wiki and you cannot see that during the period 2008-2012 Xavi and Iniesta won 2 European Championships plus the World Cup. During this period, Messi failed at the World Cup and was not successful at the Copa America. At the club level they had the same achievements (you know that they played in the same team?) so it is undeniable that Xavi and Iniesta were >>> than Messi during this period, but Messi received 4 Ballon d'Or and they got zero.
Messi is just the son of the bastard corrupt official Blatter and that says it all.

Hahahaha!!!!. We might later discover that Sepp Blatter received kickballs from Lionel Messi. The Swiss was so corrupt that he was disgraced out of FIFA. However, it seems that there is still some corruption ongoing within the organizer of the Ballon d’Or. The 2021 award that was won by the Argentine was fraudulent. A German newspaper called a scandal and the organizers received widespread criticism. Even a child knows that Messi didn't deserve the award because Robert Lewandowski's performance was far better. But the German striker was robbed of a golden opportunity to be the world's best and I doubt if he would have such privilege again.

I'm already tired of listening to tales about the World Cup and its importance 
Maybe you can explain to me how Xavi and Iniesta, who won the 2010 World Cup (where Messi completely failed - zero goals and zero assists) did not receive the Ballon d'Or?  And in addition to this, Xavi and Iniesta won the European Championship in 2008 and 2012. But Messi (who was unsuccessful at the 2011 Copa America) received four Ballon d'Ors.

Messi won the World Cup and so what? He doesn't deserve to win the Ballon d’Or again in his lifetime. He is no longer playing active club football because the US league is a jamboree. This is the time of Erling Haaland, Kylian Mbappe, Vinicius Jr., and Victor Osimhen.

[KTChampions]

Are you from some sect? Or you were banned from Wiki and you cannot see that during the period 2008-2012 Xavi and Iniesta won 2 European Championships plus the World Cup. During this period, Messi failed at the World Cup and was not successful at the Copa America. At the club level they had the same achievements (you know that they played in the same team?) so it is undeniable that Xavi and Iniesta were >>> than Messi during this period, but Messi received 4 Ballon d'Or and they got zero.
Messi is just the son of the bastard corrupt official Blatter and that says it all.

Hahahaha!!!!. We might later discover that Sepp Blatter received kickballs from Lionel Messi. The Swiss was so corrupt that he was disgraced out of FIFA. However, it seems that there is still some corruption ongoing within the organizer of the Ballon d’Or. The 2021 award that was won by the Argentine was fraudulent. A German newspaper called a scandal and the organizers received widespread criticism. Even a child knows that Messi didn't deserve the award because Robert Lewandowski's performance was far better. But the German striker was robbed of a golden opportunity to be the world's best and I doubt if he would have such privilege again.
~

The fact that Messi stole from Lewandowski is normal - after all, he is a competitor in every sense, there is nothing to be ashamed of (except for the fact of theft itself). What makes me laugh more is the piquancy of the situation where Messi robbed his teammates - Xavi and Iniesta, and the fanboys easily justify this 

[SUPERSAIAN]

Messi won the World Cup and so what? He doesn't deserve to win the Ballon d’Or again in his lifetime. He is no longer playing active club football because the US league is a jamboree. This is the time of Erling Haaland, Kylian Mbappe, Vinicius Jr., and Victor Osimhen.

I don't think Messi will win the Ballon d'Or because he won the World Cup. If he wins this time, I will question what is behind it. I think too it's definitely time for players like Halaand, Osimhen and Lewandowski. Ronaldo and Messi are already old and playing in non-competitive leagues. It is necessary to choose from highly successful players from European leagues. I'm not a fan of anyone, but I think Haaland deserves this award last season.

[Hirose UK]

Messi won the World Cup and so what? He doesn't deserve to win the Ballon d’Or again in his lifetime. He is no longer playing active club football because the US league is a jamboree. This is the time of Erling Haaland, Kylian Mbappe, Vinicius Jr., and Victor Osimhen.

I don't think Messi will win the Ballon d'Or because he won the World Cup. If he wins this time, I will question what is behind it. I think too it's definitely time for players like Halaand, Osimhen and Lewandowski. Ronaldo and Messi are already old and playing in non-competitive leagues. It is necessary to choose from highly successful players from European leagues. I'm not a fan of anyone, but I think Haaland deserves this award last season.

I agree with this discussion and indeed players like Messi, Ronaldo or Lewandowski are star players who can bring popularity to the world of football so far but to be able to have someone who deserves to win the most prestigious individual title Ballon d'Or then they have to step down and FIFA should start now this gives young players the opportunity to win this title.
With young players succeeding in winning the Ballon d'Or more and more other young players will flock to continue to improve their playing skills so they can also have the same opportunity.

A little feedback if only Haaland and Mbappe were the strongest candidates to win the Ballon d'Or then I would fully support Haaland as the winner of this title because even though Haaland has never participated in winning the World Cup at least he played very well and even managed to surpass other top senior players.

[Rampagoe004]

Talking about eras, I know that there was a year when Messi didn't deserve to win the Ballon D'or. I myself have said that in the era of rivalry between the two players, what the world was highlighting at that time was the two of them. Sorry if you think I'm a Messi fan.

A little feedback if only Haaland and Mbappe were the strongest candidates to win the Ballon d'Or then I would fully support Haaland as the winner of this title because even though Haaland has never participated in winning the World Cup at least he played very well and even managed to surpass other top senior players.

Although if we talk about FIFA then I think Messi will be nominated and even win the award again. I think you know what I mean. But for me Haaland is more deserving of the Ballon D'Or this year. His performance with City was very impressive. And he's still young too. So as you have said, this will certainly motivate other young players.

[Hirose UK]

Talking about eras, I know that there was a year when Messi didn't deserve to win the Ballon D'or. I myself have said that in the era of rivalry between the two players, what the world was highlighting at that time was the two of them. Sorry if you think I'm a Messi fan.

As time went by many people began to not be able to believe in the fairness of FIFA regarding the individual Ballon d'Or title and perhaps several times Messi was player who actually did not deserve this title but in the end in the last few seasons Messi has always been part of FIFA main choices to be able to have more Ballon d'Or.
And from here FIFA started to make Messi the golden boy where there was no chance for other players to become the best player and bring home the Ballon d'Or trophy which is one of the trophies for the best players.

A little feedback if only Haaland and Mbappe were the strongest candidates to win the Ballon d'Or then I would fully support Haaland as the winner of this title because even though Haaland has never participated in winning the World Cup at least he played very well and even managed to surpass other top senior players.

Although if we talk about FIFA then I think Messi will be nominated and even win the award again. I think you know what I mean. But for me Haaland is more deserving of the Ballon D'Or this year. His performance with City was very impressive. And he's still young too. So as you have said, this will certainly motivate other young players.

Yes I know what you mean and with all that can you still trust that FIFA, which is the biggest federation for football can always prioritize fairness in assessing the greatness of players who are entitled to this title?

We all believe Haaland will be superior and more worthy of the Ballon d'Or title for this year.

[Rampagoe004]

Yes I know what you mean and with all that can you still trust that FIFA, which is the biggest federation for football can always prioritize fairness in assessing the greatness of players who are entitled to this title?

We all believe Haaland will be superior and more worthy of the Ballon d'Or title for this year.

We all know how corrupt FIFA is and how they carry out massive corruption. But what can we do? Are there other World Football Federations besides FIFA? We don't believe it but in the end everything will be recorded in history. Maybe those of us who have seen the CR and LM era know about this but what about future generations? In the end, the most realistic possibility is that Messi will win the trophy again and it will be next year before players like Haaland or Osimhen have the opportunity to get the Ballon D'or.