Ballon d'Or discussion and odds

[Oneandpure]

I am still dilemma with Lionel Messi won Ballon D'Or with his achievement success won FIFA World Cup 2022 depend on several players have good performed and winning The World Cup trophy but failed to win Ballon D'or. Regarding last FIFA World Cup 2014 when Germany become the champion there are not any Germany player won Ballon D'Or and the same thing next four years later when France become the winner but the most impressive performance Hugo Lloris and Kylian Mbappé can't winning Ballon D'Or.

Lets talk about possibility with Lionel Messi achievement in this season and only won Ligue 1 but he not score many goals as Haaland with more competitive league but he loss compete from Lionel Messi to win Ballon D'Or.

"I am in position not Lionel Messi hatter and most talk about fact with controversial of Ballon D'Or winning only".

[Abu-Naim]

I am still dilemma with Lionel Messi won Ballon D'Or with his achievement success won FIFA World Cup 2022 depend on several players have good performed and winning The World Cup trophy but failed to win Ballon D'or. Regarding last FIFA World Cup 2014 when Germany become the champion there are not any Germany player won Ballon D'Or and the same thing next four years later when France become the winner but the most impressive performance Hugo Lloris and Kylian Mbappé can't winning Ballon D'Or.

Lets talk about possibility with Lionel Messi achievement in this season and only won Ligue 1 but he not score many goals as Haaland with more competitive league but he loss compete from Lionel Messi to win Ballon D'Or.

"I am in position not Lionel Messi hatter and most talk about fact with controversial of Ballon D'Or winning only".

Only Erling Haaland comes close to Messi in terms of achievement, but Messi is FIFA's favorite man, as we can all see from the World Cup. Haaland did deserve it somehow, but he was just a striker that converted chances and did not create and score at the same time like Benzema and other strikers. Perhaps that's why Messi was considered with the fact that he led Argentina's team to win the World Cup for the first time and win League One, but his Champion's League performance is not enough to get him the Ballon d'Or, while Haaland won everything except the World Cup and Messi was given because of the World Cup.

[Hirose UK]

Just because he succeeded with Argentina in winning the 2022 World Cup, Messi won the Ballon d'Or for the umpteenth time and this really makes us a little disappointed with what FIFA did in selecting the winner of the Ballon d'Or trophy.
FIFA should prioritize young players and there is no need to make Messi their golden boy because in the future Messi will soon retire from football.
In my opinion, Haaland will get it and take home the Ballon d'Or trophy and when Messi was announced as the winner we smiled in disappointment at the decision.

Haaland only got the Gerd Mueller Trophy and this award was given because of Haaland great achievements last season by having 59 goals.

You are right, FIFA manipulated the winner and that was why they gave it to their boy Lionel Messi. I still believe that football is not over yet and as the youngsters are coming up, we will still have another great name that will break Messi record on Ballon d'or, and this time that youngster might win it up to 10 times.

Now that the two rival are out of the competition, I am looking for to see a new superstar that will win it next year and we are watching closely, to see if FIFA will bring sentiment into it again. Let them just allow things to flow naturally in football. Messi won it, but he doesn't deserve it.

Many people were disappointed with the decision to select the winner of the Ballon d'Or few days ago and from this it can be confirmed that more and more people will not trust FIFA, even worse for great players the Ballon d'Or title no valuable because there was lot of manipulation and unreasonable things.
I not saying FIFA is completely bad but in some ways FIFA makes lot of people disappointed and distrustful of some of their decisions.

Yes, I also believe that one day there will be a player who is born and can surpass Messi and we will even see that this player will really bring big changes to the sport of world football.
In the last few years there have been Messi and Ronaldo but in the next few years there will be new names that will take the world of football by storm.

If next year FIFA still does something like this, I sure there will be lot of debate and controversy between the public and football players towards FIFA.

[Awaklara]

In the last few years there have been Messi and Ronaldo but in the next few years there will be new names that will take the world of football by storm.

The era where we always hear the names Messi and Ronaldo will soon end and in the next few years, we will see new names. Even fans also voiced Haaland's name, who achieved extraordinary achievements this season. his name may soon be at its peak in a few seasons. and we will start shifting the names of Messi and Ronaldo.
But whatever FIFA's decision, we also have to admit how Messi and Ronaldo make the football industry very interesting. they have their support base, wherever they play.

[Plaguedeath]

People who said Messi is deserving Ballon d'Or definitely Ronaldo's haters and this kind of people will not hear why Messi isn't deserve receive Ballon d'Or.

If next year FIFA still does something like this, I sure there will be lot of debate and controversy between the public and football players towards FIFA.

The debate and controversy of Ballon d'Or is already happen many times, since Messi earn 8 Ballon d'Ors it means at least there are 8 controversial decision made by FIFA. Why Messi is so popular, because Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic, and Eto'o carried him when he was young.

[Fakhrulenclix]

People who said Messi is deserving Ballon d'Or definitely Ronaldo's haters and this kind of people will not hear why Messi isn't deserve receive Ballon d'Or.

If next year FIFA still does something like this, I sure there will be lot of debate and controversy between the public and football players towards FIFA.

The debate and controversy of Ballon d'Or is already happen many times, since Messi earn 8 Ballon d'Ors it means at least there are 8 controversial decision made by FIFA. Why Messi is so popular, because Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic, and Eto'o carried him when he was young.

I don't agree that the 8 Ballon d'Or that Messi has won were all controversial decisions, but some of them were controversial decisions, including this season.
I am not a Ronaldo supporter but I look at it realistically because I have been a football lover for a long time but what is happening now has made many parties no longer respect the decision to give the Ballon d'Or to Messi again, even though there are many other players who deserve it, Messi He's old and he doesn't play at his best level anymore, I'm really disappointed with this result.

[el kaka22]

Even though I like Messi a lot, at the very least I am glad that it is going to end with the whole reward discussions after this one. Even he realized that this is his last, he knows he is not going to get another one, so it is at least the very last one and we won't have to keep hearing about all these complaints.

Haaland and Mbappe are great players and from here on out we are going to just see them win, or maybe both of them won't and someone else would, Jude looks like he is playing good enough to maybe get one, I mean if he ends up getting the la liga, the cup and the ucl and does a treble with Madrid this year?

I wouldn't really assume anything else, and not like he is not the best player there. Vinicious was the best player before Jude came along and I assumed that's how it would stay, but looking at how he is playing right now I feel like Jude is playing well enough to be considered the best player on that team even right now and that's a big deal.

[KTChampions]

All these are words, but in fact Messi without Barcelona is an ordinary average player.

Messi without Barcelona did not exist so we cannot make any assumption on what he was or would have been. The closest we can use is his National team and Messi without Barcelona in this situation is a,
- World Cup winner,
- Copa America winner,
- Olympic gold medalist,
- 2× World cup Golden ball,
- Two times world cup finalist.

A very fine record if you ask me.

If you watch football, then you must have heard about Iniesta, Xavi and others who were consistently better than Messi (and achieved the greatest achievements without him, while he failed without them) but did not win a single Ballon d'Or.

On what criteria are they better than Messi?
And what greatest achievement are you talking about, world cup? Yeah, he has achieved that.

- Jay -

Friend, did you spend some time in prison without the Internet? What you wrote looks like a malicious mockery of Messi’s “achievements.” Here are some small facts (which I’m already tired of writing about): in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won at the club level everything that Messi won + the World Cup + 2 European Championships. At this time, Messi completely failed without them at the 2010 World Cup and was an ordinary player at the 2011 Copa America. But during this period, Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors, and Xavi and Iniesta zero  

Messi as a brand is a PR product, but as a person he is simply a thief, as an athlete he is good, but far from the top.

[harapan]

People who said Messi is deserving Ballon d'Or definitely Ronaldo's haters and this kind of people will not hear why Messi isn't deserve receive Ballon d'Or.

If next year FIFA still does something like this, I sure there will be lot of debate and controversy between the public and football players towards FIFA.

The debate and controversy of Ballon d'Or is already happen many times, since Messi earn 8 Ballon d'Ors it means at least there are 8 controversial decision made by FIFA. Why Messi is so popular, because Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic, and Eto'o carried him when he was young.

After the eighth time award given to Lionel Messi is is right to say that he is now the Greatest of all time?
Ronaldo fans still thinks the Greatest of all time discussions is not over, I don't  see it so. Messi has won it all and is the most decorated player that has ever placed on the field. The competition makes no meaning to Messi no longer.
He is the goat and Ronaldo remains the goat to his fans around the world.  Whoever  takes time to watch Messi will know football is a beautiful thing.  Ronaldo has worked hard for this level. Messi is gifted and he made good use of it.

[JeromeTash]

I am still dilemma with Lionel Messi won Ballon D'Or with his achievement success won FIFA World Cup 2022 depend on several players have good performed and winning The World Cup trophy but failed to win Ballon D'or. Regarding last FIFA World Cup 2014 when Germany become the champion there are not any Germany player won Ballon D'Or and the same thing next four years later when France become the winner but the most impressive performance Hugo Lloris and Kylian Mbappé can't winning Ballon D'Or.

Lets talk about possibility with Lionel Messi achievement in this season and only won Ligue 1 but he not score many goals as Haaland with more competitive league but he loss compete from Lionel Messi to win Ballon D'Or.

"I am in position not Lionel Messi hatter and most talk about fact with controversial of Ballon D'Or winning only".

Ballon D'or stopped making sense over a decade back, and it just started becoming more of a popularity vote battle between Messi Fans and Ronaldo Fans. That's why the likes of Wesley Sneijder (2010), Franck Ribery (2013), Virgil van Dijk (2019), Robert Lewandowski (2021) and now Haaland (2023) never stood a chance despite having very excellent seasons.

The voters started voting based on emotions rather than how well a player performed.

[borovichok]

Ballon D'or stopped making sense over a decade back, and it just started becoming more of a popularity vote battle between Messi Fans and Ronaldo Fans. That's why the likes of Wesley Sneijder (2010), Franck Ribery (2013), Virgil van Dijk (2019), Robert Lewandowski (2021) and now Haaland (2023) never stood a chance despite having very excellent seasons.

The voters started voting based on emotions rather than how well a player performed.

Leo Messi winning his 8th Ballon d'Or have ended the GOAT debate and Ronaldo fans are not satisfied, some consider it as rigged awards forward to the Argentina international. I've lost interest in Ballon d'Or award long time ago, since the very day, FIFA robbing Robert Lewandowski from winning the award. It makes no sense to me, watching Leo Messi winning Ballon d'Or 8 times, whereas there are other outstanding players that did exceptionally perform really brilliant in games, I just remain mute regarding concerns about the whole instance.

[un_rank]

in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won at the club level everything that Messi won + the World Cup + 2 European Championships.

So did Sergio Busquets, so did Pedro, so did Pique, so did Puyol, so did David Villa (after he joined).
You are yet to explain how Xavi and Iniesta are personally better players than Messi. Football is not based on your perception, but on reality.

Messi completely failed without them at the 2010 World Cup and was an ordinary player at the 2011 Copa America. But during this period, Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors, and Xavi and Iniesta zero  

Messi has won 3 balon d'ors without Xavi and Iniesta and 2 without Barcelona.

- Jay -

[knowngunman]

I am still dilemma with Lionel Messi won Ballon D'Or with his achievement success won FIFA World Cup 2022 depend on several players have good performed and winning The World Cup trophy but failed to win Ballon D'or. Regarding last FIFA World Cup 2014 when Germany become the champion there are not any Germany player won Ballon D'Or and the same thing next four years later when France become the winner but the most impressive performance Hugo Lloris and Kylian Mbappé can't winning Ballon D'Or.

Lets talk about possibility with Lionel Messi achievement in this season and only won Ligue 1 but he not score many goals as Haaland with more competitive league but he loss compete from Lionel Messi to win Ballon D'Or.

"I am in position not Lionel Messi hatter and most talk about fact with controversial of Ballon D'Or winning only".

Only Erling Haaland comes close to Messi in terms of achievement, but Messi is FIFA's favorite man, as we can all see from the World Cup. Haaland did deserve it somehow, but he was just a striker that converted chances and did not create and score at the same time like Benzema and other strikers. Perhaps that's why Messi was considered with the fact that he led Argentina's team to win the World Cup for the first time and win League One, but his Champion's League performance is not enough to get him the Ballon d'Or, while Haaland won everything except the World Cup and Messi was given because of the World Cup.

The main reason Erling Haaland didn't win the Ballon d'Or is because he has not won any major team trophies yet. You know the Ballon d'Or takes into account individual performance but it also heavily considers team success. Yes, Haaland was a major part of Manchester City's success last year truly but the Ballon d'Or tends to value the Champions League and world cup more highly than other domestic trophies. And again, the voting for the award took place before the end of the season, and didn't consider the Premier League, FA Cup, or League Cup wins which are the Haaland major trophies won last season. It's obvious that the Ballon d'Or is given to the player who receives the most votes from a group of journalists, coaches, and captains from national teams. So, it's a subjective award and it doesn't necessarily go to the player with the best stats.

Actually, Messi has been such a dominant player in the sport for so long and it's amazing to see how he continues to evolve and improve his game but that doesn't dispute the fact that he's a FIFA boy. He's definitely FIFA's favorite.

[Richbased]

I am still dilemma with Lionel Messi won Ballon D'Or with his achievement success won FIFA World Cup 2022 depend on several players have good performed and winning The World Cup trophy but failed to win Ballon D'or. Regarding last FIFA World Cup 2014 when Germany become the champion there are not any Germany player won Ballon D'Or and the same thing next four years later when France become the winner but the most impressive performance Hugo Lloris and Kylian Mbappé can't winning Ballon D'Or.

Lets talk about possibility with Lionel Messi achievement in this season and only won Ligue 1 but he not score many goals as Haaland with more competitive league but he loss compete from Lionel Messi to win Ballon D'Or.

"I am in position not Lionel Messi hatter and most talk about fact with controversial of Ballon D'Or winning only".

You need to understand that this ballon D'Or is not determined by how many goals a player scores in all competition but it is determined by the overall performance of a player while on the pitch and his attitudes and behavior during his play. If you can assess all these criteria you will understand the reason why Leo Messi won the balloon D'Or as he is a player that comports himself whenever he is on the field of play and even off the pitch so this balloon D'Or decision wasn't based on Argentina winning the world cup but it was on his personal performance as a player.

Moreover, the balloon D'Or decision involves a voting process by which every football association across the world, national team coaches and captains, football specialist journalists from each countries, so the decision is unanimous.

[rendravolt]

Ballon D'or stopped making sense over a decade back, and it just started becoming more of a popularity vote battle between Messi Fans and Ronaldo Fans. That's why the likes of Wesley Sneijder (2010), Franck Ribery (2013), Virgil van Dijk (2019), Robert Lewandowski (2021) and now Haaland (2023) never stood a chance despite having very excellent seasons.

The voters started voting based on emotions rather than how well a player performed.

Leo Messi winning his 8th Ballon d'Or have ended the GOAT debate and Ronaldo fans are not satisfied, some consider it as rigged awards forward to the Argentina international. I've lost interest in Ballon d'Or award long time ago, since the very day, FIFA robbing Robert Lewandowski from winning the award. It makes no sense to me, watching Leo Messi winning Ballon d'Or 8 times, whereas there are other outstanding players that did exceptionally perform really brilliant in games, I just remain mute regarding concerns about the whole instance.

I was actually no longer interested in this event when there was more than one robbery that occurred and at that time Lewandowski was the real winner. This event can be manipulated and for some reason there are still people who believe that it is an appropriate award when there are players who deserve it more. Journalists have full power in determining the winner of the Ballon d'Or each year, it's just that their choice is a bit strange.

I think journalists who vote on the Ballon d'Or results should have their credibility questioned in making their choice and they should be competent people in their field but they can't tell who is more deserving. Anyway, I love how Messi and Ronaldo compete every year but I think their era is over and it's time for another young player to take over this award.

[Plaguedeath]

So, this is what Messi fans logic, when people are criticized Messi, they automatically compare or discuss about "Messi and Ronaldo" which assuming people who don't like Messi are Ronaldo fans lol.

I check Inter Miami position in MLS, currently they're in 14th position from 15 teams! what is this guy contributing to Inter Miami?

[KTChampions]

in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won at the club level everything that Messi won + the World Cup + 2 European Championships.

So did Sergio Busquets, so did Pedro, so did Pique, so did Puyol, so did David Villa (after he joined).
You are yet to explain how Xavi and Iniesta are personally better players than Messi. Football is not based on your perception, but on reality.

Exactly! Plus Sneijder, Forlan and others who in different years were stronger than Messi, but they did not receive a prize, but he did. That's right - Messi is an ordinary player who was promoted by corrupt officials.
It’s good that you talked about reality, because it was in reality that Xavi and Iniesta won the World Cup and two European Championships in just 4 years (a legendary achievement) and Messi failed without them.

Messi completely failed without them at the 2010 World Cup and was an ordinary player at the 2011 Copa America. But during this period, Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors, and Xavi and Iniesta zero  

Messi has won 3 balon d'ors without Xavi and Iniesta and 2 without Barcelona.

- Jay -

Yes, yes, you can repeat all this many times, but why can’t you explain what happened in the period 2008-2012? Xavi, Iniesta and Messi have the same achievements at the club level, and are absolutely cosmically different at the national team level. At the same time, Messi collected all the awards even though he was monstrously worse than Iniesta and Xavi.

~
I check Inter Miami position in MLS, currently they're in 14th position from 15 teams! what is this guy contributing to Inter Miami?

Better yet, ask what his contribution to PSG is  PSG before Messi: semi-finals and finals of the Champions League, and with Messi, elimination in the 1/8 two years in a row. But they will tell you how many assists he made in the game with Claremont 

[un_rank]

Exactly! Plus Sneijder, Forlan and others who in different years were stronger than Messi, but they did not receive a prize, but he did. That's right - Messi is an ordinary player who was promoted by corrupt officials.

You are confusing the exact same year, 2010. Your entire focus seems to be on the world cup so I assume that is the year you are talking about.
Stop mixing reality up to suit your agenda.
Then explain what you mean by "stronger"? I have already mentioned that reality is not what you think but what it is. So you do not simply say team A is better than B and that becomes it.

Also, did those corrupt officials score the goals and create the assists he made?
Did they break the records he broke and create the magic he did on the ball?

It’s good that you talked about reality, because it was in reality that Xavi and Iniesta won the World Cup and two European Championships in just 4 years (a legendary achievement) and Messi failed without them.

Totally different National team sides. Your points are really showing you to have a poor perspective of football.
Spain had a complete team at the time and had a great manager. Argentina on the other hand simply had lots of good attackers but not a complete team.
Messi is not a national team, neither was Xavi or Iniesta, and as good as any player was they need a system to function.

Yes, yes, you can repeat all this many times, but why can’t you explain what happened in the period 2008-2012? Xavi, Iniesta and Messi have the same achievements at the club level, and are absolutely cosmically different at the national team level. At the same time, Messi collected all the awards even though he was monstrously worse than Iniesta and Xavi.

You are the one repetitively comparing Xavi and Iniesta to Messi and linking the glory days of Spain. If I wanted to indulge your ridiculous argument, I will say Xavi and Iniesta failed at 2014 world cup, while Messi got to the final and won the golden ball. But it still balls down to the team, Spain at that time had reached an epoch and could not go beyond it till they had a change in system.

Monstrously is a heavy word, does not fit anywhere in this conversation really.Answer one question honestly, Do you think personal achievements are determined more by "personal" performance or team performance?

- Jay -

[sokani]

After the eighth time award given to Lionel Messi is is right to say that he is now the Greatest of all time?
Ronaldo fans still thinks the Greatest of all time discussions is not over, I don't  see it so. Messi has won it all and is the most decorated player that has ever placed on the field. The competition makes no meaning to Messi no longer.
He is the goat and Ronaldo remains the goat to his fans around the world.  Whoever  takes time to watch Messi will know football is a beautiful thing.  Ronaldo has worked hard for this level. Messi is gifted and he made good use of it.

Messi is an exceptional player and he was really instrumental to Argentina's success in the world cup but the truth be told he did not deserved the Ballon D'or. With or without this Ballon D'or, Messi would have still gone down in the history books as one of the best footballer of all time, FIFA didn't have to cook up stats to favour their golden boy. I could beat my chest and say that out of the 8 awards he won, he did not deserved 2 of them, the one that FIFA denied Wesley Sneijder and this one.

[KTChampions]

Exactly! Plus Sneijder, Forlan and others who in different years were stronger than Messi, but they did not receive a prize, but he did. That's right - Messi is an ordinary player who was promoted by corrupt officials.

You are confusing the exact same year, 2010. Your entire focus seems to be on the world cup so I assume that is the year you are talking about.
Stop mixing reality up to suit your agenda.
Then explain what you mean by "stronger"? I have already mentioned that reality is not what you think but what it is. So you do not simply say team A is better than B and that becomes it.

Also, did those corrupt officials score the goals and create the assists he made?
Did they break the records he broke and create the magic he did on the ball?

Stop lying, I’m not writing about one year (or tournament) when everything can be attributed to randomness. There is a whole period from 2008-2012 when Xavi and Iniesta achieved their greatest achievement - two European Champion titles in a row and a World Cup. Can you name teams that achieved the same? This is the real magic and legendary achievement and breaking of records.

At the same time, Messi failed at the World Cup and was an ordinary player at the America's Cup, you can come up with different excuses but these are simple facts.
Thus, during this period, both Xavi and Iniesta were 1000 times better than Messi, but they received zero Ballon d'Or, and he received 4  

It’s good that you talked about reality, because it was in reality that Xavi and Iniesta won the World Cup and two European Championships in just 4 years (a legendary achievement) and Messi failed without them.

Totally different National team sides. Your points are really showing you to have a poor perspective of football.
Spain had a complete team at the time and had a great manager. Argentina on the other hand simply had lots of good attackers but not a complete team.
Messi is not a national team, neither was Xavi or Iniesta, and as good as any player was they need a system to function.

These stories have already been discussed here: when the team won, it was Messi’s merit, when it lost, it was not Messi’s fault   Cool story.

Yes, yes, you can repeat all this many times, but why can’t you explain what happened in the period 2008-2012? Xavi, Iniesta and Messi have the same achievements at the club level, and are absolutely cosmically different at the national team level. At the same time, Messi collected all the awards even though he was monstrously worse than Iniesta and Xavi.

You are the one repetitively comparing Xavi and Iniesta to Messi and linking the glory days of Spain. If I wanted to indulge your ridiculous argument, I will say Xavi and Iniesta failed at 2014 world cup, while Messi got to the final and won the golden ball. But it still balls down to the team, Spain at that time had reached an epoch and could not go beyond it till they had a change in system.

You can write all the stories and absurdities you want, but you can’t escape the facts: Xavi and Iniesta did great without Messi and achieved a legendary achievement, but without them he first failed, and then could not be above average. I suppose now you will write anything about any other year but will you ignore 2008-2012?  

Monstrously is a heavy word, does not fit anywhere in this conversation really.Answer one question honestly, Do you think personal achievements are determined more by "personal" performance or team performance?

- Jay -

In a team sport it is very difficult to separate the team from the individual, but here is a rare case when this is possible: everyone we are talking about played in the same club, but in different national teams. And the fact is that without Xavi and Iniesta, Messi was just a gray player, did not stand out at all, while Xavi and Iniesta achieved something legendary.

And that's not all: Messi had phenomenal goal statistics in those years while playing for Barcelona, he scored something like 80% of the club's goals +- and scored almost a goal per game. Seems incredible, right? (I'm speaking as a Messi fan haha). But the most incredible thing (for Messi fans) is that he was completely replaceable.

Villa scored 5 goals in 7 games at the 2010 World Cup (first place in the list of scorers). At the 2008 European Championship, Villa scored 4 goals in 6 games (sole first place in the list of scorers). If we take the qualifying rounds for the World Cup and the European Championship, Villa has stats of 18 goals in 21 games.

Does this statistic remind you of anything?   Whose merit here do you think is greater: Xavi and Iniesta or Villa (who apparently should have received all the Ballon d'Ors in those years)?
Fanboys gives a paradoxical answer to this question: Messi  
But the facts remain facts: Messi was the player that was replaceable by almost a random player.