Why the big whales are not cashing out?

[tee-rex]

I am no big fish, but as someone who has an average price of under $300 per bitcoin, I don't really feel the urge to sell.
The recent rise has been slow and steady, I expect that if the price starts to fall, it will also move quite slowly.

I don't expect to be at a paper loss anytime soon, hopefully ever, so I am happy to sit and wait.  I am not buying at the moment, but I am not selling either (gold parity might change my mind though)

Your break-even price is under $300 per coin, and you are still not going to sell your bitcoins. What about whales then who didn't buy their bitcoins at all but mined them in the early days of Bitcoin, when it was still possible to mine coins on an average desktop computer in the thousands? The cost of these coins is negligible, so any real price would mean huge returns for all these people.

I'm not an advocate of blindly holding regardless of price or life situation, but at the moment I don't need to sell.

If you are young though and have life ahead of you i say take a chance and hold out for big figures.  You get 1 chance in life right? you can play other areas of your life safe to give you that shot with BTC.

I don't think that we get only one big chance in our life. There are a lot of chances that could make it heaps better. If you think that way and you think that you already lost your only chance, you are basically setting yourself on losing other chances which may come up in the future and might in fact turn out to be even more beneficial or profitable in the long haul.

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[Sithara007]

The exchange rates are slowly approaching the 4-digit mark. Once that happens, we will witness a lot of people selling all or part of their holdings. $950 - $1,000 is going to be a very tough resistance level for Bitcoin.

[virtualkeybuyer]

They are not cashing out because they are whales not only in bitcoin but in other fields of life businesses like the owner of microsoft and facebook also have a high amount of their money invested in bitcoin and for their needs they do not require to cashout their bitcoins so they are waiting for the time when bitcoin will be the champion of currencies and businesses.

[Sithara007]

owner of microsoft and facebook also have a high amount of their money invested in bitcoin

Do you have any evidence for this? Mark Zuckerberg, the owner of FaceBook has always taken a negative stance towards Bitcoin. Same with the Microsoft owners as well. Had they taken a positive stance, then Bitcoin would have been accepted in far more websites and shops by now.

[aapk]

Just to make sure - governments (or the financial institutions) don't really print money in it's literal sense. They stopped doing this a long time ago. The system is much more complicated but basically money is "generated" just by typing in the amount of it in a computer.

[tee-rex]

owner of microsoft and facebook also have a high amount of their money invested in bitcoin

Do you have any evidence for this? Mark Zuckerberg, the owner of FaceBook has always taken a negative stance towards Bitcoin. Same with the Microsoft owners as well. Had they taken a positive stance, then Bitcoin would have been accepted in far more websites and shops by now.

Some time ago I heard some dude claiming here that Microsoft had been accepting bitcoins for their services, or some of their services. But I didn't see it myself nor did I see any links proving that. There were also rumors that a certain beta-tester purportedly saw Bitcoin as a payment option in one of the alpha releases of an application he had been testing. But that option was gone in the next release. Take it for what's it worth.

[Wandering Soul~]

Printing cash is not as easy as you think, If printing cash is the solution of poverty or other world problems then why do some country needs to borrow money from the world bank?

Hypothetically speaking,  Controlling bitcoin by what OP said is possible but printing large amounts of money will only lose its value more,  This is what we called inflation that all countries are trying to avoid .
Read some article about Zambabwe .

[chaser15]

The exchange rates are slowly approaching the 4-digit mark. Once that happens, we will witness a lot of people selling all or part of their holdings. $950 - $1,000 is going to be a very tough resistance level for Bitcoin.

I don't see any slow approaches for the desire of 4 digit mark today. It's still far from reality if we are to think directly in reaching the $1000 mark. No way we can boost up directly to a minimum of $1000 mark even we are sitting at the current price today.

For sure many will do some big cashouts/conversions of their bitcoin once the price hits at $900, closely to the price you mentioned. What matters here is, we are on the price that can be considered as a really high price compare back in the time when $500 is considered high price for us. No worries if it doesn't reached the new ATH as long as we are playing at close to $1000 mark.

[tee-rex]

Printing cash is not as easy as you think, If printing cash is the solution of poverty or other world problems then why do some country needs to borrow money from the world bank?

Hypothetically speaking,  Controlling bitcoin by what OP said is possible but printing large amounts of money will only lose its value more,  This is what we called inflation that all countries are trying to avoid .
Read some article about Zambabwe.

You may want to read how the Union government had been devaluing greenbacks during the American Civil War, when they created over 400 million dollars to finance the war. Would that amount to a few hundred trillion dollars today? All countries basically do the same in case of calamities or warfare. And if Bitcoin is to become such calamity in the future, printing a few dozen billion dollars may turn out to be the less evil in the end.

Also, read about the aeroplane money.

[Coin-Keeper]

I don't consider myself a whale, LOL!  I invest a percentage of my long term growth into BTC.  There is no amount that I have seen yet (not even close) that would cause me to sell my BTC portfolio.  I may even leverage other investments during those times the price dives a few hundred because I stand ready for using "timing" to my advantage.  I post this in this thread because you can't answer for a whale unless you know who he is.  Big investor, just a luck early adopter, early big mining operator, etc ... ?  Depending upon the lifestyle of the "whale" it might become apparent why he is not dumping coins.

What I find amazing along this line of questioning is when I read that 60 % of coins mined have NEVER moved.  Don't know if its true, but that amazes me more than whales not dumping coins.

[tee-rex]

I don't consider myself a whale, LOL!  I invest a percentage of my long term growth into BTC.  There is no amount that I have seen yet (not even close) that would cause me to sell my BTC portfolio.  I may even leverage other investments during those times the price dives a few hundred because I stand ready for using "timing" to my advantage.  I post this in this thread because you can't answer for a whale unless you know who he is.  Big investor, just a luck early adopter, early big mining operator, etc ... ? Depending upon the lifestyle of the "whale" it might become apparent why he is not dumping coins.

Methinks, we could still guesstimate who is a big whale. Early big mining operators are the same as early adopters just because being early means circa 2009-2010 when there hadn't yet been an established market for Bitcoin. Early adopters couldn't buy many bitcoins back in those days, they could only mine the coins themselves. Mt. Gox was launched in July 2010, but it didn't rise to fame at once, I think. In this manner of thinking, big investors also don't pass as really big whales, maybe, only a couple of them such as the Winklevoss twins. Therefore, the big whales are mostly early adopters, and this partially explains why they are not selling their coins. They want to be the new wealthy elite when Bitcoin takes over the world, and their bitcoins become money on their own.

What I find amazing along this line of questioning is when I read that 60 % of coins mined have NEVER moved.  Don't know if its true, but that amazes me more than whales not dumping coins.

Yes, I also heard this.

[kryptqnick]

Interesting thought. So those who have a lot in btc don't exchanging it, because thus they protect it from the governmental control? I doubt any government would buy so many bitcoins. It is too risky for their own economical situation in the country, their own currency will fall and the the btc will fall, because it is all theirs.

[Positid]

Interesting thought. So those who have a lot in btc don't exchanging it, because thus they protect it from the governmental control? I doubt any government would buy so many bitcoins. It is too risky for their own economical situation in the country, their own currency will fall and the the btc will fall, because it is all theirs.

Why would they buy it, bitcoin is shady in their eyes because it's the favorite of the criminals for illegal transactions and the government does not want to involve in shady transactions but they regulate the law to combat that kind of activity.

[markyminer]

I am no big fish, but as someone who has an average price of under $300 per bitcoin, I don't really feel the urge to sell.
The recent rise has been slow and steady, I expect that if the price starts to fall, it will also move quite slowly.

I don't expect to be at a paper loss anytime soon, hopefully ever, so I am happy to sit and wait.  I am not buying at the moment, but I am not selling either (gold parity might change my mind though)

Your break-even price is under $300 per coin, and you are still not going to sell your bitcoins. What about whales then who didn't buy their bitcoins at all but mined them in the early days of Bitcoin, when it was still possible to mine coins on an average desktop computer in the thousands? The cost of these coins is negligible, so any real price would mean huge returns for all these people.

I'm not an advocate of blindly holding regardless of price or life situation, but at the moment I don't need to sell.

If you are young though and have life ahead of you i say take a chance and hold out for big figures.  You get 1 chance in life right? you can play other areas of your life safe to give you that shot with BTC.

I don't think that we get only one big chance in our life. There are a lot of chances that could make it heaps better. If you think that way and you think that you already lost your only chance, you are basically setting yourself on losing other chances which may come up in the future and might in fact turn out to be even more beneficial or profitable in the long haul.

chances depending on your struggle, if you are strutting hard you can get more and more chances, therefore we can say that working hard is the key to success.

[KennyR]

I am no big fish, but as someone who has an average price of under $300 per bitcoin, I don't really feel the urge to sell.
The recent rise has been slow and steady, I expect that if the price starts to fall, it will also move quite slowly.

I don't expect to be at a paper loss anytime soon, hopefully ever, so I am happy to sit and wait.  I am not buying at the moment, but I am not selling either (gold parity might change my mind though)

Your break-even price is under $300 per coin, and you are still not going to sell your bitcoins. What about whales then who didn't buy their bitcoins at all but mined them in the early days of Bitcoin, when it was still possible to mine coins on an average desktop computer in the thousands? The cost of these coins is negligible, so any real price would mean huge returns for all these people.

I'm not an advocate of blindly holding regardless of price or life situation, but at the moment I don't need to sell.

If you are young though and have life ahead of you i say take a chance and hold out for big figures.  You get 1 chance in life right? you can play other areas of your life safe to give you that shot with BTC.

I don't think that we get only one big chance in our life. There are a lot of chances that could make it heaps better. If you think that way and you think that you already lost your only chance, you are basically setting yourself on losing other chances which may come up in the future and might in fact turn out to be even more beneficial or profitable in the long haul.

chances depending on your struggle, if you are strutting hard you can get more and more chances, therefore we can say that working hard is the key to success.

As described working hard is the common rule for success in the past. Right now things were different, to be successful work hard can be found effective to some extent, smart work seems to be the best of earning.

[StarofBTC]

They just keep it and wait until the value of bitcoin rise.. and some other make  it into business but into bitcoin too.,

Youre right,almost all the btc holders is waiting for that price,they will not make any move until the value reach thier desired price. So for now lets enjoy earning btc and hold it until that very special day of bitcoin.

In fact all the people who know about bitcoin are expecting bitcoin to raise to a high price, but I think no one can give a solid reason that when the price of bitcoin is increasing so much and how long they will be expecting bitcoin to raise too high in future, everyone is just expecting this based on the basic limited supply of bitcoins. They are holding their bitcoin to the time when bitcoin will be trading above 1000 USD or may be more.

[(altair)]

Maybe they have some really big plans for it in the near future. We may not know it but let's join them on what they do. If they still don't sell their bitcoin then it will definitely spike in the near future. Let's just hodl our bitcoin while we can now so we can earn big profits once we sell it in a more higher price.

[tee-rex]

Maybe they have some really big plans for it in the near future. We may not know it but let's join them on what they do. If they still don't sell their bitcoin then it will definitely spike in the near future. Let's just hodl our bitcoin while we can now so we can earn big profits once we sell it in a more higher price.

Even if they have big plans, the government may have even bigger plans, and in these plans there may be no place for Bitcoin. Apart from that, if we just thoughtlessly hold our bitcoins, and then one of these big whales finally makes up his mind and massively cashes out, for example, because of contingency or some other unfavorable situation, we will be indirectly paying him, by buying or holding now.

[GOT7]

They will cash out when they hit the price they are going for and tbh they have probably been cashing out all the way up and will dump into oblivion anytime now.

[choppork]

Most of us are probably going to live a few more decades. Imagine yourself as a whale, if you're going to dump your coins, you're not going to dump all of them at once. You dump it whenever you feel like it or whenever you think that the price is relatively high. You're going to live long enough to see the price of bitcoin increase a lot, there's no reason for you to sell all your coins at this price unless you need some serious cash in real life.