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December 10, 2016, 02:51:13 PM
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Hey,

Now i read our goverment planning -$215,89 "basic income" "daymoneys" next year  Undecided
I hate our goverment, they have been eaten they promises, raise taxes and cost of living in
Capital City Helsinki area.   Angry


You should consider yourself lucky to still have high basic income than other part of the world. But yes government will always suck from citizens raising taxes and with high inflation to print more fiat, that will increase cost of living.

Its Better to run own business rather than doing same thing whole day for whole life and earn fixed salary per month.

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December 10, 2016, 03:35:21 PM
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Hey,

Now i read our goverment planning -$215,89 "basic income" "daymoneys" next year  Undecided
I hate our goverment, they have been eaten they promises, raise taxes and cost of living in
Capital City Helsinki area.   Angry


You should consider yourself lucky to still have high basic income than other part of the world. But yes government will always suck from citizens raising taxes and with high inflation to print more fiat, that will increase cost of living.

Its Better to run own business rather than doing same thing whole day for whole life and earn fixed salary per month.

Running your own business sounds easier said than done. Most business have a big initial investment, and if it goes bad, and odds are against you, you will go bankrupt in most cases. So the only viable business for poor people that need welfare would be an online business, and making money on the internet is hard. You need a lot of traffic to make 10 dollars a day, let alone more.
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December 11, 2016, 02:44:33 AM
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Hey,

Now i read our goverment planning -$215,89 "basic income" "daymoneys" next year  Undecided
I hate our goverment, they have been eaten they promises, raise taxes and cost of living in
Capital City Helsinki area.   Angry



finland is very good is basic income in the world
alhought is reduce 215,89 dollar is still good salary,
iam read information in google, basic income in finland still over 3000 dollar

Yea like engineers and doctors etc. If i have basic income over $3000 i build everything great when im not in working place Smiley

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December 11, 2016, 04:12:27 AM
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You still have a really large yearly income. In our country the basic wage for the year is only $3,000. Compare this to your $215,000, damn that's a great discrepancy. You complain to much. The world isn't fair, and you live in a place that far better than others! Say you save around 80% of that money, you still have $40,000 a year. What you do is work there and spend else where. Retire in countries that as low cost of living (versus your country's cost of living), you'll live like a king for sure.

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December 11, 2016, 11:56:44 AM
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Hey,

Now i read our goverment planning -$215,89 "basic income" "daymoneys" next year  Undecided
I hate our goverment, they have been eaten they promises, raise taxes and cost of living in
Capital City Helsinki area.   Angry



finland is very good is basic income in the world
alhought is reduce 215,89 dollar is still good salary,
iam read information in google, basic income in finland still over 3000 dollar

Yea like engineers and doctors etc. If i have basic income over $3000 i build everything great when im not in working place Smiley

Basic income is not basic wage, guys. Basic income is the free money you get from the government while basic wage is the minimum salary you are guaranteed to receive by law IF you actually work the worst job ever. $3000/month in basic income is just too much.

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December 11, 2016, 02:38:40 PM
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Hey,

Now i read our goverment planning -$215,89 "basic income" "daymoneys" next year  Undecided
I hate our goverment, they have been eaten they promises, raise taxes and cost of living in
Capital City Helsinki area.   Angry



I don`t understand.What exactly is "basic income"?

How come this is a trouble for you.

Everything is just fine in Finland from my point of view.

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December 11, 2016, 02:53:53 PM
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Hey,

Now i read our goverment planning -$215,89 "basic income" "daymoneys" next year  Undecided
I hate our goverment, they have been eaten they promises, raise taxes and cost of living in
Capital City Helsinki area.   Angry



finland is very good is basic income in the world
alhought is reduce 215,89 dollar is still good salary,
iam read information in google, basic income in finland still over 3000 dollar

Yea like engineers and doctors etc. If i have basic income over $3000 i build everything great when im not in working place Smiley

Basic income is not basic wage, guys. Basic income is the free money you get from the government while basic wage is the minimum salary you are guaranteed to receive by law IF you actually work the worst job ever. $3000/month in basic income is just too much.
Thanks for clarifying because im quiet confused between the two regarding on basic income and basic salary/wage i though they are the same. Having basic income $3000/month is already too much for me i dont know why OP still complaining on that since the deduction is only a small partition of it.
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December 11, 2016, 05:26:22 PM
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Basic income is a madman's idea to begin with. It should not even exist within a nation of intelligent individuals. But people complaining about not getting enough money for free should serve community work.

Only socialist daydreamers could come up with an idea such as basic income without any return service by the recipients of benefits. Thinking that basic income will improve the overall living situation is the same as thinking that printing more money will increase wealth. The simple reality based on logic is: If everyone receives a basic income without any preconditions, the basic income is worth nothing, because it is quickly inflated away by higher costs of living. For example, if a landlord can assume that everyone has at least a certain income, he/she will quickly raise the lease rate.

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December 12, 2016, 03:09:26 PM
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Hey,

Now i read our goverment planning -$215,89 "basic income" "daymoneys" next year  Undecided
I hate our goverment, they have been eaten they promises, raise taxes and cost of living in
Capital City Helsinki area.   Angry



finland is very good is basic income in the world
alhought is reduce 215,89 dollar is still good salary,
iam read information in google, basic income in finland still over 3000 dollar

Lol how can finland have a basic income of 3000+ that's stupid. The basic income in Finland is if I understood correctly,about 500 dollars which is not bad considering in other european countries the minimum wage is less than that basic income... but I guess the cost of living in finland is higher than in said countries so at the end of the day is the same, you are fucked if you dont have a good paying job or business.

Yea, its more in dollars then euros Smiley Its minus $215,89 on basic income! Smiley Its fustrating progress on EU, i hate it!

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December 12, 2016, 03:25:09 PM
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In America black people write welfare carols talking about how great it is to receive checks from the government and talking about how they can't wait to spend it on booze or drugs:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j_cOsgRY7w

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Wasn't Finland the first country to implement universal basic income?
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December 12, 2016, 09:51:03 PM
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Basic income is a madman's idea to begin with. It should not even exist within a nation of intelligent individuals. But people complaining about not getting enough money for free should serve community work.

Only socialist daydreamers could come up with an idea such as basic income without any return service by the recipients of benefits. Thinking that basic income will improve the overall living situation is the same as thinking that printing more money will increase wealth. The simple reality based on logic is: If everyone receives a basic income without any preconditions, the basic income is worth nothing, because it is quickly inflated away by higher costs of living. For example, if a landlord can assume that everyone has at least a certain income, he/she will quickly raise the lease rate.

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Turning it around - I think it's a very intelligent thing actually. You see - there is a great degree of automation of labor going on. As Elon Musk said - it's only matter of time when the universal basic income will come. One criticism of UBI is that it would cause decrease of motivation to work among citizens. Idk if there's any studies on it but I'd actually think it could be the other way around: the motivation to work would increase as they are financially more secure - no need to worry about paying bills etc. The quality of work could increase as well as the type of work. Also: more spending = more economic growth.
One of the main ideas about UBI is that as the taxes and living costs get way too high then there is just a need for this thing.
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I read that Finland is on of the best countries to live..
Like the other Scandinavian countries,but no lol

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I read that Finland is on of the best countries to live..
Like the other Scandinavian countries,but no lol

Finland IS BEST country to live! If your working in Finland you must accept diffirent cultures, we are part of EUROPE.
You cannot be racist, your boss is maybe black man in business suit. Turks running most of pizza/kebab places... Estonia and Russian workers construction site and almost everywhere.

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December 24, 2016, 09:47:26 PM
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In America black people write welfare carols talking about how great it is to receive checks from the government and talking about how they can't wait to spend it on booze or drugs:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j_cOsgRY7w

My gf worked at the welfare office and people would come in every month to get their checks or apply for benefits wearing fur coats and driving a brand new SUV.
I actually hope President Trump slashes benefits for people like this because they are leeches living off the hard work of others.
There is a term here- "Welfare Cadillac"
people driving a brand new car that taxpayers paid for and they don't even have gas money to fill the tank.

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December 24, 2016, 10:11:55 PM
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What is "basic income"?!!

Giving Unemployed people a chunk of money for free, so they can live, is something I always keep wondering about. Hell, there are some people who aren't even getting their monthly payment/salary for their work in my country.
I can't understand why would They deduct that money from employed/hard-working people to give it to unemployed one. Hence, I don't understand why the OP is sad (or angry) as his government deducted some of that free money which he didn't even lift a finger for it.


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