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December 17, 2016, 11:03:28 AM
Last edit: December 17, 2016, 05:22:06 PM by bestgr
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So, here is the story...

I was searching for a bitcoin sportsbook to bet, and I stumbled upon powerbet.io. It seemed great, and I was ready to deposit, when I saw this in one of their threads:
http://i.imgur.com/ZPRozQ2.png

I found the new thread they started, and posted this:
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I was ready to deposit and start betting on your website, when I read your other thread and saw this:
http://i.imgur.com/ZPRozQ2.png


It seems that you arbitrarily limited this guy just because he won a couple of bets.
Furthermore, you NEVER replied to him.
AND, you closed the thread and opened a new one to save yourselves from the embarrassment.


It really is a pity. I usually bet large amounts (around 1 btc per bet) and I was looking for a website that offers good odds and can handle it.

...and then, not more than 30 seconds later, I got an e-mail saying that my post was deleted because this was a self-moderating thread. See the beauty here? They simply delete all negative feedback without ever even commenting on it.

They might as well just take your money and run. There is nothing you can do about it... They'll just delete your comments.
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December 17, 2016, 11:27:17 AM
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Reading between the lines?

Did you intentionally leave out this part and than jumped to (not intended) wrong assumptions?

Quote from his post: "In matter in fairness: I don't have any problems with deposit and withdraws. Withdraws are instant."

The player limits were reduced to a decent amount simply because we have a non-hidden policy that our services are intended for recreational players only.

So, throwing away false accusations and assumptions brought you any benefits?

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December 17, 2016, 11:37:05 AM
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Decent amount? You put his limits to 50 mBtc, effectively equivalent to banning him...

My opposition is on your whole "I-lock-the-thread-and-make-a-new-one-in-order-to-avoid-replying" attitude, and the fact that you instantly deleted my post on your thread simply because it was negative for you.

Face the facts.
  • You banned him because he won 3-4 bets with the excuse that he is not recreational. So, by your standards, anyone who wins is not a recreational player, right?
  • You never replied to him regarding his unpleasant experience with your website. Very professional...
  • You locked the thread and started a self-moderating one, so that other people who have a negative opinion of you never get the chance to post it.
  • He literally wrote over 20 lines of post describing how you did not treat him right, and your only reply/complaint here is that I did not mention that he found deposits and withdraws instant? What a joke...
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December 17, 2016, 04:39:04 PM
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Hahahahahahahaha I just got a message from Powerbet here in this forum, telling me that they banned me on their website because "I am not a recreational player", and I had simply just made my first deposit and bet some money on X and some money on 2 on a specific game.

The funny part is that I have a different username here than I used in their website, so this proves they went to great lengths just to find me and ban me.

This shows how unprofessional they are...

Everyone stay away from PowerBet.
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December 17, 2016, 04:46:58 PM
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When his account was limited, we also sent him this message:

"Hi,

Unfortunately, we do not allow arbitrage or any other forms of professional betting on our website. As mentioned before, we provide our betting services to recreational players only.
Therefore, a betting limit has been placed on your PowerBet account.
Now we understand your attitude on bitcointalk forum, you were trying to force us to accept your arbitrage betting by spreading out negative warnings and lies about us. We will not tolerate such a behavior.


PowerBet


P.S. As you already probably know, limiting/rejecting arbitrage players is a common procedure with all major sportsbooks."


Also, his registration details and IP was provided to Cloudbet (the sportsbook he used for arbitrage) so they can also take measures against his account should they consider it necessary:

"Hi,

We've identified a player doing arbitrage between our websites.
His email is m********0@hotmail.com
used IP's: ******
location: Greece
forum username: bestgr

We've closed his account and considered appropriate to inform you about this issue so you could take actions against him should you consider it.


Kind regards,
PowerBet"


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December 17, 2016, 04:59:31 PM
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Nice try steering the conversation away from the fact that you randomly ban people and you delete all negative feedback from your threads at will, without even replying.

And as for the arb part, it is so sad that both you and other bookmakers fail to realize that the more bets you have on your websites, the more you will grow. Why does it matter so match for you if I bet on X on your website and at the same time lay X on FairLay? Since you offer the odds, a "recreational player" (as you seem to define anyone who just loses on your website) could just bet on X without laying, how is that different?


Edit: As for snitching my IP and username, how hard do you think it is to restart my router, get a new IP and create a new account? Heck, you could even ban all of Greece, and I could simply use a VPN. See where I am getting at? Instead of spending so much time and effort trying to avoid the unavoidable, and naming each and every of your winning players a "non-recreational" one, you can just embrace the circumstances and make them work in your advantage.
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December 17, 2016, 05:13:37 PM
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When his account was limited, we also sent him this message:

"Hi,

Unfortunately, we do not allow arbitrage or any other forms of professional betting on our website. As mentioned before, we provide our betting services to recreational players only.
Therefore, a betting limit has been placed on your PowerBet account.
Now we understand your attitude on bitcointalk forum, you were trying to force us to accept your arbitrage betting by spreading out negative warnings and lies about us. We will not tolerate such a behavior.


PowerBet


P.S. As you already probably know, limiting/rejecting arbitrage players is a common procedure with all major sportsbooks."


Also, his registration details and IP was provided to Cloudbet (the sportsbook he used for arbitrage) so they can also take measures against his account should they consider it necessary:

"Hi,

We've identified a player doing arbitrage between our websites.
His email is m********0@hotmail.com
used IP's: ******
location: Greece
forum username: bestgr

We've closed his account and considered appropriate to inform you about this issue so you could take actions against him should you consider it.


Kind regards,
PowerBet"



LOL. Quoting for future reference...

Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.

 
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December 17, 2016, 05:19:07 PM
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LOL. Quoting for future reference...

Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.

Yeah, that too... When I saw the post, I went straight to their privacy policy, but then I thought "It will take me 10 seconds to restart my router and get a new IP. Another 30 seconds to make a new e-mail, and another 10 seconds to create a new account if I want, so why bother?"
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LOL. Quoting for future reference...

Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.

Yeah i too never saw any gambling site posting personal information publicly without permission
That's unprofessional and only non-experienced admins do.
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December 17, 2016, 07:53:19 PM
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Title: "PowerBet.IO are SCAMMING, LEAKING sensitive info,and CENSORING negative feedback"

- "SCAMMING" - who? Feel free to open a thread in scamming accusations if you feel you or anyone else was scammed.
- "LEAKING sensitive info" - Are you referring to your country? That's not even close enough info to identify you, is it?
- "CENSORING negative feedback" - you were quoting from a locked thread that is otherwise available for anyone willing to search for that info, you found that info yourself, right? So we considered useless to re-post an already posted information.


"It seems that you arbitrarily limited this guy just because he won a couple of bets.
Furthermore, you NEVER replied to him."

Actually, it wasn't an arbitrary decision and we did reply to him through a private message as he chose to contact us that way. In fact he posted our answer.

"telling me that they banned me on their website"

We didn't tell you that we "banned" you. We announced you that your betting limits were greatly reduced due to our policy against arbitrage betting. This is an open policy, not hidden. Your access to your funds was in no way restricted - yet we are "scammers"?

"The funny part is that I have a different username here than I used in their website, so this proves they went to great lengths just to find me and ban me.

This shows how unprofessional they are..."

Again, the "banning" thing? And the fact that we don't allow arbitrage betting is unprofessional or the fact we are able to identify it?

"They might as well just take your money and run."

A very harsh assumption, with no evidence to support it. Again, if you feel scammed, please open a thread in the proper forum section.

"Nice try steering the conversation away from the fact that you randomly ban people and you delete all negative feedback from your threads at will, without even replying."

We don't "randomly ban" people. The previous player was given a clear explanation of our action (his daily betting volume exceeded a threshold on which a player can be considered in a common sense as "recreational player"), while you were also presented with an explanation for limiting your betting stake (your arbitrage bets were against our policy).
Also, we deleted from our current thread a quote that is already publicly available to anyone interested in founding it. You didn't post any new complaints regarding our website or yourself, complaints that would be, of course, backed by some evidence.


So far you posted a series of accusations without evidence, a series of assumptions without any support, all this because we do not allow arbitrage players (such as yourself)?
It seems you did everything you could to place us in a bad light, without even trying to support your harsh accusations with any kind of evidence.




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December 17, 2016, 08:36:03 PM
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' snip '

So far you posted a series of accusations without evidence, a series of assumptions without any support, all this because we do not allow arbitrage players (such as yourself)?
It seems you did everything you could to place us in a bad light, without even trying to support your harsh accusations with any kind of evidence.





You 'missed' to response again to the post where you are sharing CLIENT PERSONAL INFO to 3rd party, even without anyone requesting it!

This is the most unethical, most unprofessional stuff I see lately from bitcoin operator. That it. Like public doxing in anger

You are offering odds, client is betting. What this or other client is doing OUTSIDE your site /eg arbitraging, laying, shitting - it's clients business, not yours/. And you cant prove what particular client is doing in other sites.



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When his account was limited, we also sent him this message:

"Hi,

Unfortunately, we do not allow arbitrage or any other forms of professional betting on our website. As mentioned before, we provide our betting services to recreational players only.
Therefore, a betting limit has been placed on your PowerBet account.
Now we understand your attitude on bitcointalk forum, you were trying to force us to accept your arbitrage betting by spreading out negative warnings and lies about us. We will not tolerate such a behavior.


PowerBet


P.S. As you already probably know, limiting/rejecting arbitrage players is a common procedure with all major sportsbooks."


Also, his registration details and IP was provided to Cloudbet (the sportsbook he used for arbitrage) so they can also take measures against his account should they consider it necessary:

"Hi,

We've identified a player doing arbitrage between our websites.
His email is m********0@hotmail.com
used IP's: ******
location: Greece
forum username: bestgr

We've closed his account and considered appropriate to inform you about this issue so you could take actions against him should you consider it.


Kind regards,
PowerBet"



LOL. Quoting for future reference...

Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.

 
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December 18, 2016, 02:51:31 AM
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Did he confiscate your fund and scam your deposits? If only limit your betting amount, it will be ok, and for arbitrage, some bookies don't like the clever making money way, but how can he know you bet on others? I support you, don't play here any more.

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December 18, 2016, 07:58:34 AM
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' snip '

So far you posted a series of accusations without evidence, a series of assumptions without any support, all this because we do not allow arbitrage players (such as yourself)?
It seems you did everything you could to place us in a bad light, without even trying to support your harsh accusations with any kind of evidence.





You 'missed' to response again to the post where you are sharing CLIENT PERSONAL INFO to 3rd party, even without anyone requesting it!

This is the most unethical, most unprofessional stuff I see lately from bitcoin operator. That it. Like public doxing in anger

You are offering odds, client is betting. What this or other client is doing OUTSIDE your site /eg arbitraging, laying, shitting - it's clients business, not yours/. And you cant prove what particular client is doing in other sites.

This answer pretty much covers it.

@Powerbet:
1) You shared my information with Cloudbet without my consent. And when I say "information", I mean my username and my e-mail address. This is a breach of privacy, even if you try and steer the attention to just sharing my country here in the forum.
2) Even if you directly replied to him in private message, other people have the same concerns like him, and the fact that you simply locked the thread and started a new one shows that you can't answer those questions sincerely. The fact that it is a closed thread and anyone CAN see it, does not mean that anyone WILL see it, which is also your intention. I had to search specifically for it, others won't bother.
3) I had a different username on your website than here. Even if you detected arbing on your website (which you couldn't possible detect since it was just my first bet), how did you know it was me, and private message me here? Doxing much? Another violation of privacy... Way to go!
4) You are indirectly scamming, since you only allow players who lose and limit players who win.
5)
You are offering odds, client is betting. What this or other client is doing OUTSIDE your site /eg arbitraging, laying, shitting - it's clients business, not yours/. And you cant prove what particular client is doing in other sites.
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December 18, 2016, 08:53:21 AM
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So you tried to violate their policy by arb-ing, got busted and came here crying? That's what I understand from your thread Smiley

You're lucky they let you walk away with your money, other bookies confiscate funds when players break terms
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So you tried to violate their policy by arb-ing, got busted and came here crying? That's what I understand from your thread Smiley

You're lucky they let you walk away with your money, other bookies confiscate funds when players break terms

Nope. I saw their thread, found the guy who was limited for no reason, posted in their new thread to ask why they limited him, they deleted my post, I made this thread so they can't delete it, hoping they will answer. Then, I signed up on their website (with a different username than here) and placed my first bet. Some hours later, I got a message from them here, saying that my account was limited because I was not a "recreational player", which means they tried to find who I am and limited me out of hatred because I started this thread.

You are right, I hadn't described the chronological order of events so you can understand what happened. Hope this makes it clear.
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December 18, 2016, 09:28:53 AM
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Can someone help me understand why arbitrage betting would not be allowed? If an operator is accepting bets at specified odds, does it really matter if the bet is a regular one or an arbitrage bet?

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Can someone help me understand why arbitrage betting would not be allowed? If an operator is accepting bets at specified odds, does it really matter if the bet is a regular one or an arbitrage bet?
I'm thinking the same thing whatever should be the outcome of the match the bookie should still profit cmiiw. The only reason I could think about is to lessen the risk that they will face in their site.

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December 18, 2016, 12:47:53 PM
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Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.
Yes this is quite frustrating to see from sportsbook no any good platform should disclose their users detail and private info. Privacy is quite big thing for  gamblers and gambling platform should respect it, this things suggesting us to bet only on anonymous betting platforms like directbet.
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December 18, 2016, 12:53:58 PM
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Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.
Yes this is quite frustrating to see from sportsbook no any good platform should disclose their users detail and private info. Privacy is quite big thing for  gamblers and gambling platform should respect it, this things suggesting us to bet only on anonymous betting platforms like directbet.

Thats why we should not trust those new site who came here.and rather trust those site who are well runned for a long time, and actually people can file a case for the owner since it can make the peoples identity to be compromised, and to bad since the bastard dev spread it already and the worst thing well be happen on that is they can encounter some problem for that leakage im this coming future.

 
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December 18, 2016, 06:11:15 PM
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Disclosing client personal data to 3rd party... I would never-ever but a single satoshi into your site.
Yes this is quite frustrating to see from sportsbook no any good platform should disclose their users detail and private info. Privacy is quite big thing for  gamblers and gambling platform should respect it, this things suggesting us to bet only on anonymous betting platforms like directbet.

Imagine how easily they limit people that simply win, if they so easily distribute sensitive personal information...
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