Now that Monero's GUI is out, what will people complain about next?

[needmoney90]

Well, it was a long time in coming, but the Monero GUI is finally out. What's the next thing trolls are going to complain about? The 'cripplemine' is pretty much debunked, and now Bitfinex trades it, so 'but muh one exchange' is also a dead end. I guess the only thing left is "the community says mean things about scamcoins, they're a bunch of jerks".

Discuss.

[generalizethis]

Well, it was a long time in coming, but the Monero GUI is finally out. What's the next thing trolls are going to complain about? The 'cripplemine' is pretty much debunked, and now Bitfinex trades it, so 'but muh one exchange' is also a dead end. I guess the only thing left is "the community says mean things about scamcoins, they're a bunch of jerks".

Discuss.

You're forgetting evil botnets, because Devs can stop botnets--especially when the coin is asic resitant (@bathrobehero, sorry to beat you to the horse you never stop beating).

[iamnotback]

Now that Monero's GUI is out, what will people complain about next?

How long it took to create the GUI (2 years?) will be an ongoing concern as it applies to future improvements to Monero.

[needmoney90]

Now that Monero's GUI is out, what will people complain about next?

How long it took to create the GUI (2 years?) will be an ongoing concern as it applies to future improvements to Monero.

To be fair, the GUI was purposefully eschewed to instead focus on shoring up the Cryptonote codebase (which, frankly, they've done a fantastic job on. The Monero daemon and blockchain are some of the most stable and battle-hardened in crypto). Past speed of development aside, there's been an explosion of interest in Monero, and the development community has seen a number of new and eager contributors. I'm not sure the prior development during a period of extremely atrophied interest is any indication of what development will be like moving forward.

[Shiroslullaby]

Chinese need to take an interest in Monero and start buying/ mining XMR,
that way trolls can make posts about how "China controls Monero", "Chinese manipulating price of Monero" just like they do with Bitcoin. 

[bathrobehero]

How much of a blind fanboy or obvious shill do you have to be to try to justify why the GUI wallet is 32 months late? It's as if you don't want people to use your crypto...
Decent distribution is basically arguable at best.

And yes, I can't stop beating the dead horse of it being botnet-friendly, but it's hard not to.
I know botnets have an arguably positive effect on the security of the network and that there's very little to non morale in crypto but I still find it hard to justify turning a blind eye to botnets.
And yes, devs could stop it by using a more GPU-friendly algo, there are literally dozens of them exist with optimized miners.

And yes, trade volume has shifted a lot, from 96% being polo to 74% but it's still a long way from being healthy.

[sui_generis]

They'll complain that it was late, apparently. People always find something to complain about.

[Monerobuyer]

The dumb foreigners arguing that people don't want an anonymous, fungible currency are brainwashed socialists. Why do you people even argue with them? The one with the penguin as his picture is some kind of zealot. Hes like a Protestant in 1600s Massachusetts. You'll never convince him witches don't exist. His brain is not logical. The circuits are scrambled. Don't even bother talking to him.


Edit: no offense to foreigners, most of you are cool, but some of these eurosocialists drive me nuts. The European Union is socialism at its best: destroying the industry in countries that have joined.

[Spoetnik]

Probably the self-destructive ANON gimmick.
A great way to rail road the currency at launch.
Crippling adoption permanently.

Oh and the history of the coin itself and the shill's antics last couple years is a worthy mention too.

Trust me there is plenty to complain about.. like that Horrendous name.
Or the fact it was a "community-takeover" coin launched as Bytecoin insta-mined and hoarded.

Where did the original dev go ?
Rather odd he never showed his face EVER again huh ?  

..or

Maybe he is well known and simply abandoned the old account with the old coin name "Bytecoin"

..then

Lied his ass off about anything to do with that way back all along to this day.

[Monerobuyer]

Probably the self-destructive ANON gimmick.
A great way to rail road the currency at launch.
Crippling adoption permanently.

Oh and the history of the coin itself and the shill's antics last couple years is a worthy mention too.

Trust me there is plenty to complain about.. like that Horrendous name.
Or the fact it was a "community-takeover" coin launched as Bytecoin insta-mined and hoarded.

Where did the original dev go ?
Rather odd he never showed his face EVER again huh ?  

..or

Maybe he is well known and simply abandoned the old account with the old coin name "Bytecoin"

..then

Lied his ass off about anything to do with that way back all along to this day.

The retard appears. I researched the "instamine" before I invested. It was some Carnegie Mellon professor and he sold everything he mined. He describes it on his blog. I'm guessing he wishes he didn't sell.

I'm putting the penguin on ignore. Read some of his comments and you'll understand.

 

[Spoetnik]

Probably the self-destructive ANON gimmick.
A great way to rail road the currency at launch.
Crippling adoption permanently.

Oh and the history of the coin itself and the shill's antics last couple years is a worthy mention too.

Trust me there is plenty to complain about.. like that Horrendous name.
Or the fact it was a "community-takeover" coin launched as Bytecoin insta-mined and hoarded.

Where did the original dev go ?
Rather odd he never showed his face EVER again huh ?  

..or

Maybe he is well known and simply abandoned the old account with the old coin name "Bytecoin"

..then

Lied his ass off about anything to do with that way back all along to this day.

The retard appears. I researched the "instamine" before I invested. It was some Carnegie Mellon professor and he sold everything he mined. He describes it on his blog. I'm guessing he wishes he didn't sell.

I'm putting the penguin on ignore. Read some of his comments and you'll understand.

 

What part of my commentary was not true ?

I also can simply create a new account (exactly like you just did here & now) 

Further more i have never ever put anyone on ignore on any site on the web.
Because i am not a bloody baby.. grow up. 

[Spoetnik]

A Windows only .NET wallet was released a COUPLE MONTHS AFTER LAUNCH ?
When standard practice was that all wallets were cross platform and open source ?
Was that .NET wallet running on Launch ?

Know the importance of having a wallet on Launch ?
Or the possible advantages it could provide the dev & friends not having one ?

Abandoned ?

Crying FUD ?

The OP asked a question.. it was answered.

Want to dig deeper holes ?

[generalizethis]

Probably the name. But kind of want to put odds on it--though then it becomes another "gambling" coin.

[talkbitcoin]

people are going to always complain and spread their nonsense about anything. most of the time it is because of being buthurt and the rest of the time it is mostly because they want to spread some FUD to enjoy some panic sells

[spartak_t]

I've been always thinking that the privacy/anonymity should be optional and I really do see a problem here. Fact is that Monero managed to assemble a strong (though often poisonous (especially in XMR > Dash 'wars')) community and made a significant progress in 2016, but I'm not sure what would be the case in the coming months/years.

[iamnotback]

Monero is apparently a solid alternative code base to Bitcoin clients. The people who have worked on it are talented and I presume the codebase reflects this.

Anonymity/privacy is reasonably important to some (probably quite small) segment of the population and if you think about it, even the marketcap of Bitcoin is tiny, so more likely than not the marketcaps of solid anonymity coins such as Zcash and Monero will continue to go up. And investors need diversification.

However, neither Monero nor Zcash have solved the hard scaling issues and the mass adoption markets. So in that sense, when people complain about the official GUI taking 32 months to arrive, they are pointing out the culture of these ecosystems and their inability to focus on being a Facebook killer or something of that sort.

Monero's ecosystem has been I think working on anonymous marketplaces, but that doesn't seem to be a Facebook killer or something that will impact the masses. But again, that doesn't mean the marketcaps of these solid codebases won't go up.

My point is crypto-currency is still a small world. Within that small world, Monero and Zcash are reasonably important. But neither scale out or impact the large world out there. When we have a mass adopted crypto-currency that also has privacy, then we will all be multi-millionaires for having invested $1000s in that development.

So buy some Zcash and Monero for diversification, but hang on to most of your BTC because it is going much higher. And make sure you take a $1000+ bet into that project that can scale out to the masses and has a valid mass adoption use case.

Obviously savvy speculators will do other trades such as buying LTC in October as I advised to do. Btw, I also advised buying Monero earlier this year, before it had its massive rise.

I suppose someone probably already posted this chart. I had never looked at the long-term Monero chart before:

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRBTC/3QZ1D3nD-The-Monero-Bear-Market-Is-Over/

That is impressive. Monero has broken out of the down wedge, which is very technically bullish. But that doesn't mean it can't fall back first to the historic support at 0.0017 BTC. And if BTC falls to < $150 as I expect, then that could mean Monero declining significantly and still be in the bullish formation as Bitcoin makes its final bottom and we start a new bull market in crypto (I subscribe to the theory that BTC is still declining from 2013).

I actually find it funny how all the altcoin lovers that preach against Bitcoin being slow and not profitable enough, are now selling their so loved altcoins for BTC in order to benefit from the increase lately.

Those who want more profits try to trade between BTC and altcoins on a see-saw. After BTC peaks, then the altcoins go on a run up, as BTC runs out to altcoins. Then back to BTC or hold in dollars again. Repeat.

Also taking speculations on ICO and mined launches of best-of-breed altcoins has been a way to accumulate more BTC.

Smart money wants to build their stack of BTC any way they can and doesn't waste time with hands-tied-behind-back perma-bull, uni-asset ideology.

Crypto-curreny is an ecosystem. Not a monotheism. Leave the religion to the losers. Smart money is objective.

LTC (Litecoin) has the similar chart pattern as BTC. It has in the past followed BTC moves on a delay, with much greater percentage gains.

I would guess after BTC hits the peak of this move (probably at the handle of the C&H at ~$800ish), then LTC will blast off, if not before.

The following was written Oct. 27 when BTC was in the low $600s and basically on the day before BTC started its rise after bottoming from the Bitfinex hack:

https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/speculation-rule-buy-when-others-are-irrationally-pessimistic-cautious

Speculation Rule: buy when others are irrationally pessimistic or too cautious

At the low of an investment, everyone is pessimistic and vowing to never "buy that shit". They panic or attrition capitulate to go massively short and sell irrationally.

This also seems to be the case on the way back up, especially a frustrating, meandering slow rise (after that $10 to $1000 moonshot in 2013 which is what everyone is lusting for), as pessimism causes people to find any excuse to give as to why "that shit still isn't ready for prime time":


...

Several crypto investors have complained to me about the (miners) wrangling over Blockstream's changes to Bitcoin, and even the potential technical clusterfuck of Lightning Networks.

This to me is indicative of the time to buy with both fists...

Here is my one mistake recently, which I also had cautioned everyone that it was only a theory and could end up being wrong. And those who sold gold at mid-$1300s and bought Bitcoin in the mid-$600s as I advised in late October, are smiling now:

Those who have followed me over the years know that I have made some prescient predictions such as the Bitcoin crash from $1000, even the collapse to $150, and even the precise timing and $320 top of the bounce before the current one. In addition the following silver prediction I made:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article23786.html

I have also stated that I thought that when gold crashes below $1000 (and likely below $850) this year, then Bitcoin would also likely get caught up in the contagion and sell off to below $150 perhaps back to double-digits. I had explained my reasoning in the past and the current indicators are:

I was wrong and here is my record:

Please remind how your prediction from last year of BTC@150 and gold@800 has turned out?

Don't forget my published prediction of the silver move from $22 to $48, then back down to $25 many months before it happened in 2011 (and did you know that I got fucked over in the Philippines not enabling me to profit on my prediction! If I had my investment in an ETF, my sell order at the peak and short would have been honored! Not to mention that most of my metal was stolen by the only vault provider in Manila you jack ass, and there is no way to sue because they refuse to give accurate accounting!):

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article23786.html

Btw, I correctly predicted the low of Bitcoin at $150 first time, and way before it happened. I predicted the fall from the $600s to $300s, and the $150 low. I thought it would deadcat bounce and then go to lower lows, because...

In fact, I mentioned it day before yesterday:

My mistake was assuming BTC was correlated to gold, even though Armstrong never wrote that. That was my mistake, not Armstrong's. I realize now that BTC is correlated to safe haven liquidity same as the dollar and USA stocks.

The gold to $850 is still on the table. Nothing with that has changed. As predicted, the dollar and USA stocks went up and the pound crashed towards parity as predicted. This is why gold is back down in the $1200s, on its way probably to $1050 again and lower (we might get a few more deadcat bounces along the way).

Sorry dollar up, gold down. That has not changed.

My mistake was assuming BTC was correlated to gold as a tinfoil hat asset. Because Satoshi even pitched BTC as gold in his whitepaper. And I know many of early adopters in BTC came from being tinfoil hats (including myself and Bitcoin millionaire rpietila). Btw, I had more silver than rpietila and had it not been for my problem in 2012 with my health and family breakup then I would have been poised to invest $100,000 in BTC at $10 in January 2013. I told rpietila to go ahead, but I told him I had been destroyed by events in 2012 and couldn't follow him. That is fate. But my destiny is not yet complete.

Any way, back to the issue at hand, you should remember that in this thread, I told everyone numerous times that it was my theory that BTC might be correlated to gold, but that I wasn't sure and that I could be wrong. And so I was wrong, but I also admitted at the time that I wasn't sure.

[Febo]

Well, it was a long time in coming, but the Monero GUI is finally out. What's the next thing trolls are going to complain about? The 'cripplemine' is pretty much debunked, and now Bitfinex trades it, so 'but muh one exchange' is also a dead end. I guess the only thing left is "the community says mean things about scamcoins, they're a bunch of jerks".

Discuss.

There it is still lots to complain and new things will pop up all the time.  Website can go down. Darkmarkets might find Monero to boring. Goverments might find Monero threatening. Monero transactions are to expencive.

How long it took to create the GUI (2 years?) will be an ongoing concern as it applies to future improvements to Monero.

GUI was under development for like half year. From spring to autumn 2016. Then it was heavily tested ( well heavily could be hard word to use here. Some software company would probably laugh at this, but for open source crypto coins projects it was heavily tested)   for months as all things in Monero to prevent usual crypto stupidity. So about half year.

[sui_generis]

Probably the name. But kind of want to put odds on it--though then it becomes another "gambling" coin.

I've always thought that Monero has the best name of any cryptocurrency. Better than Bitcoin. Bitcoin sounds like some nerd thing. Monero just makes me think money.

[Spoetnik]

people are going to always complain and spread their nonsense about anything. most of the time it is because of being buthurt and the rest of the time it is mostly because they want to spread some FUD to enjoy some panic sells

Or maybe some people have INTEGRITY and do not like seeing bag-holders lie their ass off trying to suck in more victims into their Crypto-Pyramid-Scheme ?

Saying i am jealous of your ROI's is proof ..YOU are the one who cares about coin prices.
I do not .

I came here to support crypto currencies.. not profiteering by spinning bullshit to the vulnerable.

Nonsense ?
If this was the case you would an effort to refute any claims posted.
You don't.

You simply cause a diversion crying FUD non stop. (avoiding addressing any concerns raised about the coin in question)

Butthurt ?
Yup a sound technical defense of a pitiful scam coin  
Did you make that one up all on your own.. or did you hear it on the internet then repeat it ?

And Mr Fungabiity is right.. because it has NEVER been used as a currency.
Monero's horrible name and lack of any real adoption is proof this is the case already.
We don't need to wait for it to happen.. it's been that way the whole damn time !

Most Monero "usage" is essentially trading for profits on Poloniex.
Which requires these bag holders to come here and talk up Monero to get others to buy in..
So they can cash out and claim they made a fortune on it.

..that has nothing to do with adoption of a global internet based digital currency now does it ?

It has far more to do with fake supporters spinning lies & bullshit to pad their wallets.
People who have every intention on dumping.

You can not smooth over your little facade by crying Troll or FUD etc.
But by all means feel free to try.
I would like to remind you it has not been working so far though.
The general public sees what is going on and has made their decision thus far.

Crying FUD for bucks on Bitcointalk.org is a waste of time.
A fools game that is shrinking and dying off as we speak.

Because all of this is corrupt bullshit by scam coin peddlers.
It's a scene full of scummy greedy back stabbing corrupt losers desperately trying to shill for chump change.
And unless you can maintain an ever increasing amount of new users.. the scene is destined to implode.
Leaving YOU a broke bag holder desperately clinging onto your shitcoins for eternity.

..chanting "one day"

[Febo]

Probably the name. But kind of want to put odds on it--though then it becomes another "gambling" coin.

I've always thought that Monero has the best name of any cryptocurrency. Better than Bitcoin. Bitcoin sounds like some nerd thing. Monero just makes me think money.

Monero have catching name.

What is most funny is DASH changed its name 2 times and they end up with teh one that make them have troubles with Apple and when you google DASH you cant find much infos on first page of hits about any cryptocurency.