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April 11, 2013, 07:23:49 AM
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Wut, you always leave big some breaking orders way below current going rate.. Those orders were already there.
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April 11, 2013, 07:53:31 AM
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If all this was caused by only their trading system lag, then why did other exchanges all go offline at the same time as well as the forum here being overloaded. Either the entire Bitcoin ecosystem is built using Intel 286s, or there's a little more to this than than meets the eye.
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April 11, 2013, 07:56:09 AM
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Oh please not that again. Mtgox have confirmed they was no DDOS. They just can't scale their operations. They aren't sorry either. https://mtgox.com/press_release_20130411.html
Repeat after me: there was no ddos, and no conspiracy to crash btc. People panic sold, that's all.
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April 11, 2013, 09:22:41 AM
Last edit: April 11, 2013, 02:20:39 PM by wordofmouth
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^^ they have NOT been ddos attacked...and the rate lost 100USD !


Mtgox is offline btw
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April 11, 2013, 09:24:19 AM
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Oh please not that again. Mtgox have confirmed they was no DDOS. They just can't scale their operations. They aren't sorry either. https://mtgox.com/press_release_20130411.html
Repeat after me: there was no ddos, and no conspiracy to crash btc. People panic sold, that's all.

Confirmed no DDOS: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172991.msg1801862;topicseen#msg1801862

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April 11, 2013, 10:28:29 AM
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If you watch the 0.02s, and there are many of them, they are coming from HFTs (High Frequency Traders) pushing the price up, up, up and they sell sell sell, using the 0.02s to drive the price to lows and then buy, buy, buy.
Watch the activity with the 0.02 orders. You can see it happening.

I suppose the exchanges could limit the number of trades allowed per second/minute. But the HFTs might go elsewhere... causing the problem on other exchanges. Does MtGox lose money if that happens, or would it restore confidence to its users.

Or should we look into becoming HFTs ourselves and ignore the bright future bitcoin could have as a currency and trash it like a used toy for some greedy profit taking today.

Just wondering.
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April 11, 2013, 02:49:26 PM
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(can I post here already? not sure. guess I'll find out in a second.)

Here's what I posted a few moments ago on a related thread on reddit:

Assuming spamming of micro transactions was in fact the reason for the crash (that, and of course herd animal behavior of panicked traders), shouldn't this be easily solvable?

One solution would be to demand a small fixed fee for each transaction, making it more costly for spammers to perform such an attack.

Or alternatively, and perhaps a bit more elegant would be implementing an algorithm that evaluates, based on a traders current behavior, this trader's "spam potential". Based on a few simple heuristics (number of orders per hour of that trader, average size of orders) the algorithm assigns each trader some numerical value that expresses how much like a "spammer" the trader behaves. Then, if the trading system starts suffering from lags, each trader whose "spam potential" number has reached a certain threshold will see his ability to buy/sell throttled (but the effect wears off over time).

Wouldn't that stop the problem immediately, at almost no cost (there would be the occasional false positive with the spam filter, but that's a small price to pay I think). Why doesn't mtgox implement such a trivial solution? What do they have to gain from having their trading book flooded with useless spam? And I also simply don't see what they possibly could gain from allowing such an easy way to manipulate the market.

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April 12, 2013, 03:19:18 AM
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https://i.imgur.com/HaEmtdq.png

AKA: Lag/DDOS no longer to blame.
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April 12, 2013, 03:27:08 AM
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Guys you know that panic selling caused the massive windfall right? You are literally talking metagame about panic selling...
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April 12, 2013, 03:42:14 AM
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Anyone know how many posts aere required to post in the forums?

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