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[0xfff]

Have you considered added a "sandbox" mode where anyone (including yourself) is able to bet fake money? This would be useful for developers testing their apps. You could setup the actual betting servers so you don't actually have access to the private seed until it is released to everyone.

We have a development environment that we will be opening to app owners down the road. However, as you promote code to different environments it is important that it is tested in each phase for consistency.

Why are you testing on your production servers anyway? That is a terrible thing to do. 

[Quickseller]

It would probably be best if anyone with access to the server seeds not gamble on any MP app. It would be too easy to cheat and impossible to detect unless they are stupid about doing it.

Edit: someone with access to the server seeds could even profit after showing that they have lost overall gambling.

finally someone with brain and understanding is saying what I am saying in a short way and better english than mine. but I am the Troll according to DD so lets see if Quickseller is also a Troll

it is a must IMO that the Head Dev (he has access to the seeds as DD confirmed) and MP owners who will not gamble and only do test bets. test bets differ a lot from gamblers bets and it is easy to see that the Head Dev is a gambler

It is not the questions that make someone a troll, it is the person, attacks, and malicious intent that does.

I am not looking to avoid questions, I am only looking to avoid you specifically.  Please understand the difference.

I consider the only troll to be you JPR.  Even if you have a serious question, it is inserted into a block of nonsense and you always have ulterior motives.
edit; You setup posts looking for general answers so that you can attack.  You look to twist our words in order to fight us. I admit that I have been disrespectful towards you, but I have tried logic and reasoning for over a year with you and it does not work.  I will not treat anyone else the same way I do with you.

Having said that, we have had a long discussion last night, and even though we still feel this was an appropriate and transparent way of handling it, the 2 people with access, myself being one, have decided to cease all betting aside from testing to avoid any issues.

I know it's impossible for those who do not know you on a personal level, but for over a year you have gained my respect as an owner, a businessman, and just a general great human being.

To those who are unsure of what to think, I will share this. Our team as some of you may be aware will be shifting heavily into mainstream business with heavy focus. (70% mainstream sites/30% crypto). We entrusted many vital operations with dogedigital in order to help us during our business endeavors. He has not only proven to our team to be trustworthy, but also has the best interest of seeing moneypot and those utilizing their services thrive and do well.

One of our staff showed me this thread today and it's extremely disappointing reading the nonsense that is completely off topic flowing the past few pages. We are grown men and women, let's not forget that to achieve great work it has to be at least accurate. I would vouch for the integrity of Keeth any day and his wish with moneypot is success, security,  and player enjoyment. That's it, no more no less. I gain nothing by vouching for him except that I'd wish that people take a step back and realize this is business and igaming with immutable money. Let's enjoy the fact we even have the opportunity to have fun and people in this industry work hard to provide it.

I agree that DD is a very respectable businessperson, however I think he made the right decision to not allow gambling via MP if you have access to the server seeds.

Have you considered added a "sandbox" mode where anyone (including yourself) is able to bet fake money? This would be useful for developers testing their apps. You could setup the actual betting servers so you don't actually have access to the private seed until it is released to everyone.

We have a development environment that we will be opening to app owners down the road. However, as you promote code to different environments it is important that it is tested in each phase for consistency.

If there was a business reason why someone with access to the server seeds *needs* to gamble on MP (for example for testing), then I would suggest that MP develop and implement a policy that the amounts gambled, and the potential winnings be nominal, for example to keep the total amount gambled and the total winnings under $25 per month -- even *if* there was cheating, then it would not have a statically meaningful impact on the investors.

[staxxd]

Just launched our new game on MoneyPot

DRAGONS WHEEL

had a few small dramas but they are now sorted so come for a look https://btcdragon.com

It's a unique twist on the wheel game and I did enjoy being able to bet on the different possible outcomes but I don't understand how or why the HE is over 18%. Several of the other games on BTCdragon.com also seem to have a higher HE than most mp casinos I have played on. I am just confused as to why that is? Thank you for the creative and fun new games.

Hi staxxd yes if you read our main thread its all explained there and the HE has been sorted , it was noted to me and there was a small problem with the math but it has been sorted and thanks we are trying to bring in different games as for the house edge it has to do with probability, chance of winning and so on and goes back to the maths , some games just cant have a 1% house edge unless we manipulate the possible % of the outcome and thats not the way to do it cause if we did then the provably fair system wouldnt really be fair but , like the wheel there is 7 numbers that can come up ) over 52 positions on the wheel, so to double your money you have a 46% chance of getting that is you select and bet on the x1 position , and at the other end the x47 position , you have a 1.9% chance of getting that if betting on only won of them , and when the maths is done the house edge is 7.7% that we get back from Moneypot once they do there bit on the info that is sent , i mean we could make it harder to get the x47 times but that would mean modifying the % structure and well 52 positions is 52 positions so the % of getting any particular position is a fixed % , so 100%/52 positions = 1.92% and thats the way it has to be to be fair to all concerned then the HE is worked out on what positions you take and chance of win/lose , hope that helps a bit , but read it on the other thread mate or message me

Okay thanks for the quick reply!

Not to be rude but there are some major issues with this site/game. The game is simply not done correctly. There is no possible way to find your bet ID once the history page has passed the 100 on the moneypot history page for the site. Also, the math is totally wrong on the game. It says you've won more than you have on as far as I have seen every single multiplier. Here is an example.

Sorry but 11x2 is not 24. Just as 5x3 is not 18. The house edge has gone from over 18% to just under 8% but this is still insane. I can handle the high HE which is why I returned, but what reason is there for the incorrect math on the amounts won? When it says "won" 24 bits and I finally track down my bet ID (when I am able to catch it on the mp history page) and find out I win 9 bits I feel pretty cheated. I understand I opted to play for the jackpot and this costs some extra satoshi and that is fine but I hope that you can understand that these things make a difference in someone wagering 15 bits and 500 and until some solid improvements are made I don't think I will be playing here.

I hope you understand this is being said because I do like the direction the site is going and the attitude of the admin/mods I have encountered there and I would really love to see them succeed. I did notice there have been updates but it just seems like there is a lot of forward motion without much consideration going into making sure that the work you've already done is 100% where it needs to be before moving on. Best of luck!

edited to add link to image http://imgur.com/a/XMOy6

[staxxd]

I'll pass on the message to the app developer.

It might be better suited if you posted it in their main thread instead of here though.

Oh okay sorry. IDK how to find it. I only know of it from seeing them adv it here oops thanx

[fiscorcle]

Hi, I know JPR asked this, but I think it's mostly unrelated to the bulk of his posts - just wondering if there was any idea when the list of previous investors and amounts to be reimbursed might be released?

[BITDV]

Just launched our new game on MoneyPot

DRAGONS WHEEL

had a few small dramas but they are now sorted so come for a look https://btcdragon.com

It's a unique twist on the wheel game and I did enjoy being able to bet on the different possible outcomes but I don't understand how or why the HE is over 18%. Several of the other games on BTCdragon.com also seem to have a higher HE than most mp casinos I have played on. I am just confused as to why that is? Thank you for the creative and fun new games.

Hi staxxd yes if you read our main thread its all explained there and the HE has been sorted , it was noted to me and there was a small problem with the math but it has been sorted and thanks we are trying to bring in different games as for the house edge it has to do with probability, chance of winning and so on and goes back to the maths , some games just cant have a 1% house edge unless we manipulate the possible % of the outcome and thats not the way to do it cause if we did then the provably fair system wouldnt really be fair but , like the wheel there is 7 numbers that can come up ) over 52 positions on the wheel, so to double your money you have a 46% chance of getting that is you select and bet on the x1 position , and at the other end the x47 position , you have a 1.9% chance of getting that if betting on only won of them , and when the maths is done the house edge is 7.7% that we get back from Moneypot once they do there bit on the info that is sent , i mean we could make it harder to get the x47 times but that would mean modifying the % structure and well 52 positions is 52 positions so the % of getting any particular position is a fixed % , so 100%/52 positions = 1.92% and thats the way it has to be to be fair to all concerned then the HE is worked out on what positions you take and chance of win/lose , hope that helps a bit , but read it on the other thread mate or message me

Okay thanks for the quick reply!

Not to be rude but there are some major issues with this site/game. The game is simply not done correctly. There is no possible way to find your bet ID once the history page has passed the 100 on the moneypot history page for the site. Also, the math is totally wrong on the game. It says you've won more than you have on as far as I have seen every single multiplier. Here is an example.

Sorry but 11x2 is not 24. Just as 5x3 is not 18. The house edge has gone from over 18% to just under 8% but this is still insane. I can handle the high HE which is why I returned, but what reason is there for the incorrect math on the amounts won? When it says "won" 24 bits and I finally track down my bet ID (when I am able to catch it on the mp history page) and find out I win 9 bits I feel pretty cheated. I understand I opted to play for the jackpot and this costs some extra satoshi and that is fine but I hope that you can understand that these things make a difference in someone wagering 15 bits and 500 and until some solid improvements are made I don't think I will be playing here.

I hope you understand this is being said because I do like the direction the site is going and the attitude of the admin/mods I have encountered there and I would really love to see them succeed. I did notice there have been updates but it just seems like there is a lot of forward motion without much consideration going into making sure that the work you've already done is 100% where it needs to be before moving on. Best of luck!

edited to add link to image http://imgur.com/a/XMOy6

Hi staxxd the maths is correct ill post a answer on the BTCDragon thread mate
look here mate https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1724891.272

[CrazyCraig]

Because of the large demand, we have re-enabled Socketpot!

[JackpotRacer]

The thread is constantly getting derailed.

JPR, I sincerely invite you to please ask any and all questions to me in private with as many follow-up questions as you need so that you can get fully informed on the situation.  Once you get a better understanding of the issues at hand, we have no problem of you posting here.

All else are welcome to ask any questions or bring up any concerns they have by PM, e-mail (support@moneypot.com) or at our discord channel www.moneypotsupport.com/discord .

Let's try and keep this thread on track

*edited

sorry for the late answer

you dont need to PM me and I will not answer any of your PMs cause any PM conversation will not solve the problem that you dont answer my questions in public and even delete my legit questions.

deleting a legit question is switching on a red light. better to answer it here in your thread if you are really legit and want to be transparent.

I start with this question again that you very quick deleted (many more unanswered questions still to come)

you wrote:

.......the 2 people with access myself being one..........
who is the other one?

but before you wrote after a very trusted user asked you who has access to the server seeds:

3 People have access to the server seed.  Our lead developer is one of them.  He also holds equity in the site and is on the team.  He is not just a stranger.

those times there were 3 and now there are 2 hmmm please clarify who has access to the server seeds?

last stats
Bankroll:    361,110,842 bits
Wagered: 91,763,268,403 bits
Investor Profit:    -82,087,674 bits

[JackpotRacer]

It's because we have been switching up setups and transitioning for v2 upgrades.

I am one, our lead developer is the other.

I'm not going to start the arguments with you.  Let us work and investigate.  If you wish to interrupt this process with your trolling, your posts will be immediately deleted.

this was your answer after a trusted user asked you who has server seeds access

Moneypot.com/users/dogedigital
Moneypot.com/users/ranlo
Moneypot.com/users/crazycraig

We are all down.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1366689.msg16765161#msg16765161

that means ranlo was taken out of those 3 with server seeds access. why that and since when was that done?

[0xfff]

Someone should calculate the probability of moneypot legitimately losing 82 btc from 1 billion bets with 92,000 btc wagered. I would be very interested to see how tiny the % is.


@moneypot, is your bet data available for download for 3rd parties to verify it? So soneone doesnt have to scrape 1 billion pages from https://www.moneypot.com/bets/

[JackpotRacer]

At one point, yes, we were all down.

The most recent comment (during that time) was combined, we are probably down or close to even.

Ranlo viewed having access as a liability and did not want to be the subject of wild accusations.

was this move somewhere announced?

any other owner changes?

[0xfff]

So there is no way I can download historical betting data? Can you not dump your database to a torrent or something?

[fiscorcle]

So there is no way I can download historical betting data? Can you not dump your database to a torrent or something?

If BustaBit can do it, I'm sure MP can do it - seems just like a matter of time, no?

[CrazyCraig]

So there is no way I can download historical betting data? Can you not dump your database to a torrent or something?

If BustaBit can do it, I'm sure MP can do it - seems just like a matter of time, no?

We are able to do this, but it will take a fair amount of time to accomplish as data lives in different partitions. We only keep the last 1-200m games in our live databases.

We also do not have access to pre-take over data.

I will work coordinating this but please be aware its not something thats going to happen over night.

[CrazyCraig]

At one point, yes, we were all down.

The most recent comment (during that time) was combined, we are probably down or close to even.

Ranlo viewed having access as a liability and did not want to be the subject of wild accusations.

was this move somewhere announced?

any other owner changes?

Internal moves such as this do not need to be announced. There have been no ownership changes.

We are doing the best that we can to evolve our security. We take previous acquisitions and future threats seriously. Believe it or not, the MoneyPot ownership team has invested heavily in security precautions and many of our delays have been a result of fortifying our systems.

[RHavar]

Someone should calculate the probability of moneypot legitimately losing 82 btc from 1 billion bets with 92,000 btc wagered. I would be very interested to see how tiny the % is.

For anyone interested in this stuff, this is an interesting paper worth checking out: https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL_Monte_Carlo_Edition.pdf


Although, a far simpler thing I think that would make sense to look at would be the correlation between site profit and volume. It's been my observation that the two are strongly inversely correlated with each other. Generally when people are doing well, they gamble (a lot) more, driving volumes through the roof -- and tend to be happy customers that come back. And likewise when people are doing poorly, they tend to not gamble much.

[RHavar]

was this move somewhere announced?

any other owner changes?

There's no need to announce stuff like that, removing access from people who no longer need it is considered a best practice, and has absolutely no adverse affects on anyone. Removing access doesn't imply that they did it because the person did something wrong, or anything like that.

We are able to do this, but it will take a fair amount of time to accomplish as data lives in different partitions. We only keep the last 1-200m games in our live databases.

You might want to also just filter out all bets < 100 bits or something, as they'll just add background noise and be annoying and slow to work with

We also do not have access to pre-take over data.

Nor do I, unfortunately. I did find this chart I made from a bit before the sale though: https://i.gyazo.com/041bb7932ebd9bc346ea1c88ddb6a1b9.png

(and there you'll see the strong negative correlation between investor profit and wagered like I was talking about in my previous post)

[BillyBurns]

which app did this guy do all the damage on?

[Dogedigital]

which app did this guy do all the damage on?

https://dice.seuntjie.com/

User: Jseonline

Playing right now as well.

[seuntjie]

which app did this guy do all the damage on?

https://dice.seuntjie.com/

User: Jseonline

Playing right now as well.

Awh yeah! free advertising!

Edit: made a withdrawal about an hour ago that's still pending. Would appreciate a little shove there to get it going. Received