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January 23, 2017, 04:52:38 AM
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It's a simple script. The following are written to give an idea only. I do not feel like doing something like that. Nobody should do anything like that. Defrauding people is something very wrong. You do not have the right to steal anyone's money. It's written just to be a brainstorming. Also, this scenario is also written to get our own security.

We hunt our victims over social media sites. We use female profiles for this. For 3-4 months, we play a game-enthusiastic young girl on facebook. This young girl will be a person interested in bitcoin at the same time. On Steam, you can already buy games with bitcoin. So this young girl will be contacted by players who have knowledge about bitcoin.

This young girl will be our friend, so it's a real profile. The commission will be given to each of the gross proceeds made. Technical infrastructure will be provided by IT specialists friends (network and software). The important thing is that we can have faith and trust. For this, the young girl will sell BTC for 3-4 months. This will not be cheat for 3-4 months. The money issuer will really be sold to BTC.

Victims will be selected from different countries. So different facebook accounts will be created for different countries. The victim will only face to face meeting girls who are our friends. But the meeting will be on the ground we set up. This place will be a place for computer enthusiasts. The whole network infrastructure here will be our control.

The real cheat will begin once you have had enough confidence. People will be defrauded here because they are willing to shop in the place we set up. "The attacker can isolate you from the Bitcoin network and use Bitcoin on their fork. With this, they can trick you into thinking that you have received payments." The infrastructure described here will be prepared. And BTC will be sold in large quantities. People will think that they are receiving BTC payments on the fork bitcoin network. The country will be abandoned after the crash is over.

How much budget is needed for such an attack?
Only in this scenario will the victim think the process has been verified. All transactions will go through our network. Bitcoin will think he gets paid when he looks at his wallet.

Also the system will work through our DNS addresses. So when he wants to enter the popular sites used for Bitcoin, he will be connected to fork sites. If a site like blockchain.info wants to check the operation, it will appear as if the transaction has been approved because it has logged into our fork site.

The only problem here is that the victim wants to use his own mobile internet. Devices that weaken the mobile signal power can be used. So he will have to use our network.
There are many things wrong with this, not to mention the cost of this is insanely high.

First of all, somehow you have to ensure that the victim is connected to the internet only through you. Then you have to hope that they did not change the DNS settings on their devices so that they are using your DNS servers.

Now you need to make transactions, presumably of very large amounts (otherwise this will result in a loss). Because of the large quantities of money being exchanged, those transactions must be confirmed. So, you would have to have enough money to get a large amount of mining equipment so that blocks are produced in a timely manner and are of the correct difficulty. You should assume that a few people will be using laptops and full nodes, these cannot be tricked like SPV nodes, the Proof Of Work must be valid, and that requires a significant amount of mining equipment at the current difficulty.

Now suppose you manage to trick people into this scam and steal their money. They go home, log into their computers, and check their wallets for their new Bitcoin. However, now that they have connected to the real network, they see that they were scammed. Here's the kicker, you had to buy or lease a building, pay for utilities, hire employees, buy equipment, etc. This all leaves a huge paper trail, and quite a bit of that is public record. Now those you scammed are going to go after you with multiple lawsuits and probably also press criminal charges, so you will end up both in jail and lose everything that you have.

Besides the fact that going after you for scamming would be relatively easy, you also have to consider the huge cost of doing this. First you need to lease or buy a building. That can be extremely expensive, and its not like if you can pack up and leave without a trace; there's still a paper trail not in your control. Next you need to get a significant number of mining machines in order to make a valid proof of work, that is going to take several millions of dollars given that the difficulty and thus required hashrate is extremely high.

tl;dr while possible in theory, such a scheme is entirely impossible and impractical in practice.

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January 23, 2017, 05:11:51 AM
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It's a simple script. The following are written to give an idea only. I do not feel like doing something like that. Nobody should do anything like that. Defrauding people is something very wrong. You do not have the right to steal anyone's money. It's written just to be a brainstorming. Also, this scenario is also written to get our own security.

We hunt our victims over social media sites. We use female profiles for this. For 3-4 months, we play a game-enthusiastic young girl on facebook. This young girl will be a person interested in bitcoin at the same time. On Steam, you can already buy games with bitcoin. So this young girl will be contacted by players who have knowledge about bitcoin.

This young girl will be our friend, so it's a real profile. The commission will be given to each of the gross proceeds made. Technical infrastructure will be provided by IT specialists friends (network and software). The important thing is that we can have faith and trust. For this, the young girl will sell BTC for 3-4 months. This will not be cheat for 3-4 months. The money issuer will really be sold to BTC.

Victims will be selected from different countries. So different facebook accounts will be created for different countries. The victim will only face to face meeting girls who are our friends. But the meeting will be on the ground we set up. This place will be a place for computer enthusiasts. The whole network infrastructure here will be our control.

The real cheat will begin once you have had enough confidence. People will be defrauded here because they are willing to shop in the place we set up. "The attacker can isolate you from the Bitcoin network and use Bitcoin on their fork. With this, they can trick you into thinking that you have received payments." The infrastructure described here will be prepared. And BTC will be sold in large quantities. People will think that they are receiving BTC payments on the fork bitcoin network. The country will be abandoned after the crash is over.

How much budget is needed for such an attack?
Only in this scenario will the victim think the process has been verified. All transactions will go through our network. Bitcoin will think he gets paid when he looks at his wallet.

Also the system will work through our DNS addresses. So when he wants to enter the popular sites used for Bitcoin, he will be connected to fork sites. If a site like blockchain.info wants to check the operation, it will appear as if the transaction has been approved because it has logged into our fork site.

The only problem here is that the victim wants to use his own mobile internet. Devices that weaken the mobile signal power can be used. So he will have to use our network.
There are many things wrong with this, not to mention the cost of this is insanely high.

First of all, somehow you have to ensure that the victim is connected to the internet only through you. Then you have to hope that they did not change the DNS settings on their devices so that they are using your DNS servers.

Now you need to make transactions, presumably of very large amounts (otherwise this will result in a loss). Because of the large quantities of money being exchanged, those transactions must be confirmed. So, you would have to have enough money to get a large amount of mining equipment so that blocks are produced in a timely manner and are of the correct difficulty. You should assume that a few people will be using laptops and full nodes, these cannot be tricked like SPV nodes, the Proof Of Work must be valid, and that requires a significant amount of mining equipment at the current difficulty.

Now suppose you manage to trick people into this scam and steal their money. They go home, log into their computers, and check their wallets for their new Bitcoin. However, now that they have connected to the real network, they see that they were scammed. Here's the kicker, you had to buy or lease a building, pay for utilities, hire employees, buy equipment, etc. This all leaves a huge paper trail, and quite a bit of that is public record. Now those you scammed are going to go after you with multiple lawsuits and probably also press criminal charges, so you will end up both in jail and lose everything that you have.

Besides the fact that going after you for scamming would be relatively easy, you also have to consider the huge cost of doing this. First you need to lease or buy a building. That can be extremely expensive, and its not like if you can pack up and leave without a trace; there's still a paper trail not in your control. Next you need to get a significant number of mining machines in order to make a valid proof of work, that is going to take several millions of dollars given that the difficulty and thus required hashrate is extremely high.

tl;dr while possible in theory, such a scheme is entirely impossible and impractical in practice.


the only thing that could help you through this is getting them to download and run YOUR version of a bitcoin wallet, that might provide you multiple places where they see the balance because you could control the network that the daemon at their home pc connects to.  in the end you would catch a lot of lawsuits, but the way the law is here at this time you would not catch any criminal charge unless it is tampering with their PC(maybe?).  it is set up here in the USA that if they knowingly transfer BTC to you, whether under false pretenses or not, you are fine.  that is why when you see people on here bitch that they have been scammed out of BTC, they can simply keep whining.  Crypsty got nailed because their site made claims to "Securely store" the commodity of Bitcoin and other alts, thus acting as a class 3 MSB and underclass 4 securities foundation.  if you sucker someone into giving you bitcoins, then they were simply stupid and deserve the loss.  if you tell them, via website or any other communication, that you are "storing", "securing", "holding"(while using the term investment), or "using secure transfer", then those terms, exactly as i just said them, put you in the hands of the SEC and InterSync
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January 23, 2017, 05:35:05 AM
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the only thing that could help you through this is getting them to download and run YOUR version of a bitcoin wallet, that might provide you multiple places where they see the balance because you could control the network that the daemon at their home pc connects to. 
I highly doubt that would work as any sane person looking to store a large amount of Bitcoin is going to look for a well reviewed and highly recommended wallet. In fact, there's probably a good chance that they would use a hardware wallet along with the software that the wallet maker recommends so this would be very difficult to pull off.

in the end you would catch a lot of lawsuits, but the way the law is here at this time you would not catch any criminal charge unless it is tampering with their PC(maybe?).  it is set up here in the USA that if they knowingly transfer BTC to you, whether under false pretenses or not, you are fine. 
Wouldn't this kind of scam be considered fraud which is a criminal offence?

that is why when you see people on here bitch that they have been scammed out of BTC, they can simply keep whining.  Crypsty got nailed because their site made claims to "Securely store" the commodity of Bitcoin and other alts, thus acting as a class 3 MSB and underclass 4 securities foundation.  if you sucker someone into giving you bitcoins, then they were simply stupid and deserve the loss.  if you tell them, via website or any other communication, that you are "storing", "securing", "holding"(while using the term investment), or "using secure transfer", then those terms, exactly as i just said them, put you in the hands of the SEC and InterSync
This is not that the victim is giving you Bitcoin, but rather they are giving you fiat (or something else) and you are giving them Bitcoin. Except the fraud here is that you are not actually giving them Bitcoin, only making them believe that Bitcoin was sent.

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January 23, 2017, 05:52:58 AM
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the only thing that could help you through this is getting them to download and run YOUR version of a bitcoin wallet, that might provide you multiple places where they see the balance because you could control the network that the daemon at their home pc connects to. 
I highly doubt that would work as any sane person looking to store a large amount of Bitcoin is going to look for a well reviewed and highly recommended wallet. In fact, there's probably a good chance that they would use a hardware wallet along with the software that the wallet maker recommends so this would be very difficult to pull off.

in the end you would catch a lot of lawsuits, but the way the law is here at this time you would not catch any criminal charge unless it is tampering with their PC(maybe?).  it is set up here in the USA that if they knowingly transfer BTC to you, whether under false pretenses or not, you are fine. 
Wouldn't this kind of scam be considered fraud which is a criminal offence?

that is why when you see people on here bitch that they have been scammed out of BTC, they can simply keep whining.  Crypsty got nailed because their site made claims to "Securely store" the commodity of Bitcoin and other alts, thus acting as a class 3 MSB and underclass 4 securities foundation.  if you sucker someone into giving you bitcoins, then they were simply stupid and deserve the loss.  if you tell them, via website or any other communication, that you are "storing", "securing", "holding"(while using the term investment), or "using secure transfer", then those terms, exactly as i just said them, put you in the hands of the SEC and InterSync
This is not that the victim is giving you Bitcoin, but rather they are giving you fiat (or something else) and you are giving them Bitcoin. Except the fraud here is that you are not actually giving them Bitcoin, only making them believe that Bitcoin was sent.

it is true that it would be hard to get them to download your copy of the wallet, BUT, if they are newer to crypto and the chat dialog is going well, it would be pretty easy to sound helpful and when they start talking about trying things out you shoot them a link....obviously something like a google short link or online storage link, so that it appears to not be directly coming from you. 

as far as fraud, no, not unless a direct claim is made in text(chat) or writing to be selling a commodity or to be a licensed commodity trader.  the florida judge nailed alts as commodities and that helps scammers a lot more than if it was still nothing, i love it.  if these guys pulled off the tech end, then this would just be one of those to laugh at the suckers for.  it is literally the same thing, if the chats are worded right, as selling them your own new alt coin.  it is a fork of bitcoin, but that differs from a simple clone very little.  in fact, legally, because Bitcoin, BTC and all the terms that go with it is not a protected, trademarked, or copyrighted thing(open source too!), anyone can fork it, release and distribute their wallet and code, and then point people to a website that can sell them the "BTC", then sending coins to the distributed wallet and they didn't even lie about it.  most people on here would not be too fooled, many would though, and hundreds that are brand new to crypto would buy it up.  look at how many "geniuses" here grabbed handfuls of peercoin, even long term members, based on a two page website that said it would be bought back at 10x the value after the weekend promotion.  i laughed and pointed it out for days and people ate that shit up.  they are quite simply too stupid to stop and there is not a single law to protect them if it is just worded a little carefully
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