SpaceX and the prospects of Mars colonization.

[Spendulus]

^^^ There are logical people, and those not so logical. Why did Columbus and others come to America? They wanted to seek wealth, but they also wanted to find freedom. Mars freedom is going to be a difficult thing, but people like Musk have been "herded" by governments so much, that they want freedom.

So all these generated fantasies are to promote higher taxation levels?

Through Huge Government Programs we shall hope for Freedom?

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[dippididodaday]

The spherical object we currently inhabit, is perfectly situated in its orbitary location to foster life - the carbon based kind, all living organisms that dwell this globe, have. Without an argument, life on this sphere began very very tiny and very very long ago - 3.5 billion years. Today, without a doubt a cool 3.5 billion years later we ourselves also appear on the face of planet earth. An extensively elongated succession of eons with precision laws of physics and mathematical constants at play, is all it took. This sphere having been fully colonized, is our only home, now and till the day we will be no more - rest assured, we ain't going nowhere else.

[BADecker]

^^^ There are logical people, and those not so logical. Why did Columbus and others come to America? They wanted to seek wealth, but they also wanted to find freedom. Mars freedom is going to be a difficult thing, but people like Musk have been "herded" by governments so much, that they want freedom.

So all these generated fantasies are to promote higher taxation levels?

Through Huge Government Programs we shall hope for Freedom?

Higher taxation by some people and on some people, yes. But by and on others, no. Why bring taxation into it?

Consider what government is. Who governs which pair of socks you wear? Going to Mars for freedom or any other reason is going to take a government program, even if it is only the Musk Government taxing other governments.

Remember what the IRS says. Taxes are voluntary. They aren't lying about that.

[BADecker]

The spherical object we currently inhabit, is perfectly situated in its orbitary location to foster life - the carbon based kind, all living organisms that dwell this globe, have. Without an argument, life on this sphere began very very tiny and very very long ago - 3.5 billion years. Today, without a doubt a cool 3.5 billion years later we ourselves also appear on the face of planet earth. An extensively elongated succession of eons with precision laws of physics and mathematical constants at play, is all it took. This sphere having been fully colonized, is our only home, now and till the day we will be no more - rest assured, we ain't going nowhere else.

Not only that. But also, the odds against life being able to come about on earth are approximately 1 to infinity. What this means is that, scientifically speaking, we don't have a clue as to why and how life can even exist.

If we go to Mars, we will be using a little science that we can figure out, and a whole bunch that exists around us already, but that we essentially know nothing about.

[Artemis3]

From what i know the plan calls for robots to start working before any humans arrive. I'm not sure if they will go with domes or underground, if they go underground there could be the materials (and shielding) needed for habitat instead of blasting a mountain...

Perhaps this might require some sort of manned space station orbiting Mars itself, to speed up operations on the ground. So if a proper space station with artificial gravity can be built near Earth, such object could be moved to Mars. Well you could practice doing the same thing on the Moon first, where landing and taking off is much cheaper.

AI does exist, it might not have attained full sentience yet, but it is real. You should take a search online, several impressive projects exist.

There's no need for AI for any of this.

There's simply a need for extensive stockpiles of materials and functioning gardens.

But that all still begs the question.

What is all this FOR? What does it DO?

What else? SCIENCE! and technological progress.

Make the station with artificial gravity near earth, move it to mars orbit, start working the probes until a suitable settlement can be possible down there. If you don't put the humans close to the probes, then sure AI would benefit as the long delay in communication means the robots can make different decisions in the meantime. Otherwise things like digging underground would take ages.

Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

[BADecker]

From what i know the plan calls for robots to start working before any humans arrive. I'm not sure if they will go with domes or underground, if they go underground there could be the materials (and shielding) needed for habitat instead of blasting a mountain...

Perhaps this might require some sort of manned space station orbiting Mars itself, to speed up operations on the ground. So if a proper space station with artificial gravity can be built near Earth, such object could be moved to Mars. Well you could practice doing the same thing on the Moon first, where landing and taking off is much cheaper.

AI does exist, it might not have attained full sentience yet, but it is real. You should take a search online, several impressive projects exist.

There's no need for AI for any of this.

There's simply a need for extensive stockpiles of materials and functioning gardens.

But that all still begs the question.

What is all this FOR? What does it DO?

What else? SCIENCE! and technological progress.

Make the station with artificial gravity near earth, move it to mars orbit, start working the probes until a suitable settlement can be possible down there. If you don't put the humans close to the probes, then sure AI would benefit as the long delay in communication means the robots can make different decisions in the meantime. Otherwise things like digging underground would take ages.

Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

All Spendy means is, Why are we doing it? It's way too expensive to do just to see if we are accidentally going to get something useful out of it.

[Spendulus]

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Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

The single overriding thing of value in space exploration is developing the means, strategy and tactics of asteroid defense.

The survival or loss of humanity's advanced civilization rests on this. Think in terms of life after 1500 meter high tsunami, created by a random one of 200,000 asteroids hitting the ocean.

[Spendulus]

....the odds against life being able to come about on earth are approximately 1 to infinity.....

The odds of life coming about on earth are exactly 1:1.

[Malsetid]

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Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

The single overriding thing of value in space exploration is developing the means, strategy and tactics of asteroid defense.

The survival or loss of humanity's advanced civilization rests on this. Think in terms of life after 1500 meter high tsunami, created by a random one of 200,000 asteroids hitting the ocean.

Space x could very well help in that aspect as well dude. Who knows. And i think world governments and nasa are already serious in developing asteroid collition plans, how to prevent, minimize damage or contingency plans in case a direct hit is inevitable. It is more important and mat have actual application than a plan for mars coonization.

[Spendulus]

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Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

The single overriding thing of value in space exploration is developing the means, strategy and tactics of asteroid defense.

The survival or loss of humanity's advanced civilization rests on this. Think in terms of life after 1500 meter high tsunami, created by a random one of 200,000 asteroids hitting the ocean.

Space x could very well help in that aspect as well dude. Who knows. And i think world governments and nasa are already serious in developing asteroid collition plans, how to prevent, minimize damage or contingency plans in case a direct hit is inevitable. It is more important and mat have actual application than a plan for mars coonization.

No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

[BADecker]

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Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

The single overriding thing of value in space exploration is developing the means, strategy and tactics of asteroid defense.

The survival or loss of humanity's advanced civilization rests on this. Think in terms of life after 1500 meter high tsunami, created by a random one of 200,000 asteroids hitting the ocean.

Space x could very well help in that aspect as well dude. Who knows. And i think world governments and nasa are already serious in developing asteroid collition plans, how to prevent, minimize damage or contingency plans in case a direct hit is inevitable. It is more important and mat have actual application than a plan for mars coonization.

No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

Besides, if SpaceX really could do something about asteroids, government would find a way to use it to cause an asteroid threat, so they could legitimize their protection from asteroids, thereby enslaving the people even further than they have already.

Look at Musk's position in his corporations that he developed. Government is trying to get him kicked out of his own organizations one way or another. To remain in control, he will have to bow to government demands... demands which exist to overpower the people for the benefit of the handful in government rule... as we see that they are doing with Musk.

[Spendulus]

The spherical object we currently inhabit, is perfectly situated in its orbitary location to foster life - the carbon based kind, all living organisms that dwell this globe, have. Without an argument, life on this sphere began very very tiny and very very long ago - 3.5 billion years. Today, without a doubt a cool 3.5 billion years later we ourselves also appear on the face of planet earth. An extensively elongated succession of eons with precision laws of physics and mathematical constants at play, is all it took. This sphere having been fully colonized, is our only home, now and till the day we will be no more - rest assured, we ain't going nowhere else.

We'll go anywhere we feel like.

[BADecker]

^^^ Nobody has feeling strong enough to make that happen beyond the normal laws of physics.

[Artemis3]

No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

What is the name for this asteroid? Any relevant links?

[Agarthian]

fake X A good ponzi scheme with animated movies n toy rockets.

[coffeeastronaut]

No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

What is the name for this asteroid? Any relevant links?

I was wondering the same.

[Spendulus]

No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

What is the name for this asteroid? Any relevant links?

I was wondering the same.

Apophos, one of numerous extremely dangerous rocks.

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/sentry/details.html#?des=99942

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov

General theory of impact speed calculation.

http://www2.mae.ufl.edu/~uhk/ASTEROID.pdf

But these rocks establish over millions of years, a resonance with the orbit of a planet. For example, one may precisely loop then sun seven times, while the Earth loops six times. This happens over and over.

From observations, we calculate the rock's elliptical path. Three observations is the minimum, and the more there are, the more precise the calculation becomes. First it is established that its path in the ecliptic crosses that of Earth (2D). Then it is only a matter of whether it passes in front of the Earth, or behind the Earth, or strikes the Earth.

[coffeeastronaut]

No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

What is the name for this asteroid? Any relevant links?

I was wondering the same.

Apophos, one of numerous extremely dangerous rocks.

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/sentry/details.html#?des=99942

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov

General theory of impact speed calculation.

http://www2.mae.ufl.edu/~uhk/ASTEROID.pdf

But these rocks establish over millions of years, a resonance with the orbit of a planet. For example, one may precisely loop then sun seven times, while the Earth loops six times. This happens over and over.

From observations, we calculate the rock's elliptical path. Three observations is the minimum, and the more there are, the more precise the calculation becomes. First it is established that its path in the ecliptic crosses that of Earth (2D). Then it is only a matter of whether it passes in front of the Earth, or behind the Earth, or strikes the Earth.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this information. Found myself browsing about asteroids for quite some time on that CNEOS link

I am sure that SpaceX rocket tech would be useful for future studies of asteroids.

[BADecker]

Better than Mars, right here on Earth.


Space suit from "2001: A Space Odyssey" could break records at auction

This makes the upcoming auction of the space suit used by Dr. Dave Bowman in the Stanley Kubrick masterpiece, 2001: A Space Odyssey (MGM, 1968), potentially one of the science fiction auctions of the year.

The screenplay for the movie was written by Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke, and although it received considerable criticism in its early days, the movie is now considered one of the most important artistic works of the 20th century and is always a contender in any discussion of the greatest films of all time.

Central to the movie is this suit, which is largely comprised of various parts of different suits used throughout the movie. Some helmets were reused and repainted throughout the production and this one has four layers of paint – one or more layers of white, then green, then yellow, and then white, its present color.

This indicates that it was used in different scenes by multiple actors and hence used by more than one character. The near complete costume has a silver body suit, blue back pack and white helmet, but the helmet appears to have been used as a lunar type (white), then as two Discovery type helmets (green and yellow).

Most notably, the base green layer of paint seen in chips, cracks, and green overspray throughout the helmet surface suggests that it may have been the helmet worn by Keir Dullea, who portrayed Dr. Dave Bowman, the lead astronaut on the film's Discovery mission to Jupiter.

[Spendulus]

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Apophos, one of numerous extremely dangerous rocks.

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/sentry/details.html#?des=99942

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov

General theory of impact speed calculation.

http://www2.mae.ufl.edu/~uhk/ASTEROID.pdf

But these rocks establish over millions of years, a resonance with the orbit of a planet. For example, one may precisely loop then sun seven times, while the Earth loops six times. This happens over and over.

From observations, we calculate the rock's elliptical path. Three observations is the minimum, and the more there are, the more precise the calculation becomes. First it is established that its path in the ecliptic crosses that of Earth (2D). Then it is only a matter of whether it passes in front of the Earth, or behind the Earth, or strikes the Earth.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this information. Found myself browsing about asteroids for quite some time on that CNEOS link

I am sure that SpaceX rocket tech would be useful for future studies of asteroids.

What is primary  is not tech, and not Spacex, tech, but MOTIVATION.

Currently motivation exists in several companies which propose mining asteroids. This leads to their procuring rockets and systems to explore the space rocks. There may also be some government R&D, but primarily, look at private industry.

If you want to see where, possibly, methods to avoid catastrophic asteroid strikes will be found.