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April 12, 2013, 04:25:12 AM
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I've been thinking for a while now about possible scenarios where those that stand to lose the most by bitcoins success would attack it. I find it hard to believe the world powers are dumb enough to not recognize the implications of bitcoin succeeding, and have been watching with a keen eye since before the '11 bubble. At the very least, the FBI and ECB papers give an estimate on when they began to monitor it. So I thought to myself, what would be the most efficient way to destroy bitcoin?

51% attack: This would require extensive infrastructure, even for an attack when we were at 21th/s. this would be expensive and time consuming; and while there certainly are ways to hide it, would increase the attack footprint with specialists required to set up and maintain the cluster, which runs the risk of a leak, giving bitcoin more credibility. they would also, as I understand it, need to amass a significant amount of old coins in order to continue the attack, which would only last as long as their reserves of coin.

Attack on companies offering bitcoin related services: persistent, coordinated attacks on web sites offering bitcoin services would reduce confidence in the sites, making it seem like they are run by a bunch of amateurs, reflecting poorly on the bitcoin marketplace.

Propoganda: This one is fairly obvious, and doesn't really need to be actively funded. The world governments and CBs have already invested countless dollars and man hours into brainwashing the masses. The media coverage of bitcoin is a shining example of how difficult it is for the general public to comprehend the idea of a free market and monetary system. People I have great respect for surprise me time and time again with their views of what money is.

Market manipulation: The bitcoin market is brand new, small, and fragile. It would not take much money, money they can (and do) print by the truckload every day, to orchestrate a massive pump n dump to shatter consumer confidence. The beauty of this attack is its difficulty to detect. The community would be so focused on the growth of the market and increased value they wouldn't notice the slow accumulation of wealth spread over multiple accounts. All it would take is a sudden dump of all the coins amassed to tank the value, destroying confidence in the market.

Illegal: this ones tricky due to the nature of bitcoin. It would take an unprecedented amount of coordination to make it illegal in every country, which would at best only slow adoption. History shows how difficult it is for governments to eradicate something if society demands it.

Regulation: this is a better alternative to making bitcoin illegal, though difficult given the nature of bitcoin. The easiest way would be to regulate the exchange into and out of bitcoin and fiat currencies. Vendors that accept bitcoin could be taxed on all purchases made with coins. I'm sure the government can come up with creative ways to ensure they get a slice of every pie we buy.

I believe we are currently under attack by a mix of these approaches combined to be the most effective. Who stands to gain by DDOSing bitcoin services? Who has the money to buy million dollar plus market value chunks over and over again? Greed, fear, and the inability of the current market to sustain the level of trading certainly had a large part to play in the recent crash/correction/whatever you want to call it, but what if it was something deliberate? What if someone knew the gox trading engine was maxed and they could cause a panic sell by lagging it out? How difficult would it be to spend $100 million in fiat to pump n dump the economy. Not to make a profit, but purely to destroy it? Do I have my tinfoil hat on too tight?

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April 12, 2013, 04:27:01 AM
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April 12, 2013, 04:29:46 AM
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I have to agree. It's an attack.

In 2009, Liberty Dollar was taken down, with extreme prejudice, by the Bankster Protectiong Group...I mean, the US government.

There were ~250,000 users of the currency. It totaled around $20 million in valuation. It was the second most used currency in the US.

Of course they're attacking Bitcoin. It's being attacked by the very people it was made to circumvent - banks and governments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar
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April 12, 2013, 04:32:52 AM
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April 12, 2013, 04:34:59 AM
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I think it is possible and if so, working very well. BTC holders turning out to be quite the weak hands (those on the exchanges anyway).
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April 12, 2013, 04:35:32 AM
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April 12, 2013, 04:39:19 AM
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It could very well be.I find it strange that some exchanges were taken offline simply because,not to mention Mtgox is still having DDOS issues quite strongly.

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April 12, 2013, 04:44:27 AM
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Don't forget the stupidity attack.
In the mind of the suckers that press the sell button at the first sign of a problem.
Depressing.

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April 12, 2013, 04:44:50 AM
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It's possible that Bitcoin itself is a pet project of the bankers. Its volatility, association with SR, and general shakiness is a good way to establish to the public that currencies only work in the hands of a centralized entity, to destroy the public's confidence in any sort of decentralized currency. It's also a very clever way to disclose the opinions of the public, sort of like detecting thought-crime. Just one theory. So who knows.

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April 12, 2013, 04:47:44 AM
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By announcing your reopening time, you give a nice synchronization time point to the otherwise uncoordinated DDOSing parties.
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April 12, 2013, 04:48:43 AM
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April 12, 2013, 04:50:33 AM
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It's possible that Bitcoin itself is a pet project of the bankers. Its volatility, association with SR, and general shakiness is a good way to establish to the public that currencies only work in the hands of a centralized entity, to destroy the public's confidence in any sort of decentralized currency. It's also a very clever way to disclose the opinions of the public, sort of like detecting thought-crime. Just one theory. So who knows.

Now there's a thought! You sir win my tinfoil hat. Wear it with pride.


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April 12, 2013, 04:53:58 AM
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I've been thinking for a while now about possible scenarios where those that stand to lose the most by bitcoins success

I tell you, it's ze germans. It's merkel, she's already in bed playing with her ddos xbox custom made by slovenian hackers to aid fix their briken economy. Damn, ze germans!
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April 12, 2013, 05:00:46 AM
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It's possible that Bitcoin itself is a pet project of the bankers. Its volatility, association with SR, and general shakiness is a good way to establish to the public that currencies only work in the hands of a centralized entity, to destroy the public's confidence in any sort of decentralized currency. It's also a very clever way to disclose the opinions of the public, sort of like detecting thought-crime. Just one theory. So who knows.

Now there's a thought! You sir win my tinfoil hat. Wear it with pride.



Hehe. I know it sounds nuts. But I like to just speak my mind.

On the other hand, even if bankers aren't behind Bitcoin, they would be wise to seize any opportunity to discredit it. Hey, why not? Better create negative public opinion of something while it's still in its infancy than let it grow.

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April 12, 2013, 05:22:05 AM
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ya ya yah How many out there felt it was gonna drop hard when you saw it reach 235 dollars? I think its NOT controlled at all and the old saying give them enough rope to hang them selves is the scenario here.

It went up way to fast and the crash happened just for that reason no strong hand all fluffy speculation. It takes skill like bernaki to be able to milk a currency for 40 years. They let us fuck it up.

Now there's plenty of media for bitcoin.
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April 12, 2013, 05:35:09 AM
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I believe it is coordinated and on purpose.. to break confidence.  Bitcoin Is a brilliant new idea that is dangerous to some powerful people who have virtually unlimited resources.  If Bitcoin is successful (and It would be without this purposeful interference), It will begin a new paradigm that has these people  veery fearful.  They won't control it.
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April 12, 2013, 06:39:18 AM
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I believe it is coordinated and on purpose.. to break confidence.  Bitcoin Is a brilliant new idea that is dangerous to some powerful people who have virtually unlimited resources.  If Bitcoin is successful (and It would be without this purposeful interference), It will begin a new paradigm that has these people  veery fearful.  They won't control it.

Seems like many of the people you talk about laugh about bitcoin.
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April 12, 2013, 06:49:41 AM
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Seems like many of the people you talk about laugh about bitcoin.

The ECB said it was a threat.
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April 12, 2013, 06:53:09 AM
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Seems like many of the people you talk about laugh about bitcoin.

The ECB said it was a threat.

No, they said that it could affect trust of people in the official system or similar things.

                                 
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