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January 14, 2017, 05:19:36 PM |
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Why should this be important?
Knowing this is not really important, it won't change anything and we have no idea who is behind that big address. But it is hell of a fun to watch people speculate who might be owning so many BTC.
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January 14, 2017, 05:29:22 PM |
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Thanks for this info and seeing those wallets are jaw dropping and theres no way to find out whose the owner of that wallet since bitcoin is fully anonymous and i couldnt see that it own by satoshi itself since there are lots of early adopters when bitcoin is just starting.This wallet maybe from an exchange since there are lots of transactions. Bitcoin is not anonymous, if it would be the question by OP could not be answered. Its pseudonymous, like e-mail.
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Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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mrjoy15
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January 14, 2017, 05:29:55 PM |
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It is also possible to figure out a specific Bitcoin address using as many service as our technology are upgrading continuously.Just imagine I sent some bitcoins from one of my own addresses to another there It's possible to tell that two addresses are in the same wallet if they as same we can caught out the identify of the Bitcoin address owner through their is some difficulties but there are as many service which will help you view the current balance of any Bitcoin address.
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Tanic
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January 14, 2017, 05:37:58 PM |
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Maybe it's Satoshi Nakamoto's address has the most bitcoins
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January 14, 2017, 06:06:07 PM |
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Maybe it's Satoshi Nakamoto's address has the most bitcoins Same wallet can have multiple addresses, so most in one address does not mean it has the most bitcoins. But this top address is really impressive with $100 million equivalent in it.
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coin revolution (OP)
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January 22, 2017, 10:10:30 AM |
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Thanks for this info and seeing those wallets are jaw dropping and theres no way to find out whose the owner of that wallet since bitcoin is fully anonymous and i couldnt see that it own by satoshi itself since there are lots of early adopters when bitcoin is just starting.This wallet maybe from an exchange since there are lots of transactions. Bitcoin is not anonymous, if it would be the question by OP could not be answered. Its pseudonymous, like e-mail. Why is bitcoin not anonymous? What personal information can they access?
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January 22, 2017, 10:49:18 AM |
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Why isn't that person using multiple addresses instead of holding that much sum on one address?
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January 22, 2017, 10:55:01 AM |
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Why is bitcoin not anonymous? What personal information can they access?
Bitcoin may be quite anonymous if you use mixers, exhanges etc
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January 22, 2017, 11:00:38 AM |
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Why isn't that person using multiple addresses instead of holding that much sum on one address?
because if you lose one private key you won't lose everything, don't put all your eggs in one basket and they may associate one address to you, but not the others and some addresses with a smaller balance will draw less attention than one with a big balance
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topesis
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January 22, 2017, 11:01:48 AM |
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Why isn't that person using multiple addresses instead of holding that much sum on one address?
It be foolish to hold all your BTC in one address especially if you are BTC bagholders. This is just to prevent the unexpected incase your wallet is hacked
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szpalata
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January 22, 2017, 11:13:56 AM |
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Maybe it's Satoshi Nakamoto's address has the most bitcoins Yes I suspect so because I'm told he has about 1 million bitcoins unspent but it's also possible that one of the Chinese mining farms are singly holding more than 1 million bitcoins as there are 16 million bitcoins mined already so it's possible a single address might be having more than Satoshi's address but it can't be determined here.
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January 22, 2017, 11:41:41 AM |
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Wasn't there a wallet ID that was one of the first that was suspected to be Satoshi's? I remember the community freaking out during the $1200 spike when 180,000 bitcoins moved in and out of that wallet, probably the largest transaction at that time (imagine the mining fees on that one)
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shorena
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January 22, 2017, 01:11:04 PM |
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-snip- Bitcoin is not anonymous, if it would be the question by OP could not be answered. Its pseudonymous, like e-mail.
Why is bitcoin not anonymous? What personal information can they access? You are asking the wrong question. What personal information can you get from the e-mail address " shor3na@gmail.com"? None, but when you send a mail to it you know it will always end up with the same person. Thats what pseudonymous means. There is an alias which masks my personal information, yet you can still know you send information to the same person using the same alias. Bitcoin Addresses have the same property. A fully anonymous system has no aliases. Everything would look identical or like random noise without any way to distinguish one person (behind an alias) from the other.
Why is bitcoin not anonymous? What personal information can they access?
Bitcoin may be quite anonymous if you use mixers, exhanges etc You are funny, using exchanges would very likely blow your pseudonym as well as you need to identify yourself to the exchange. A mixer can help to avoid connections between addresses, thus keeping your pseudonyms apart from eachother. It does not make you anonymous. It just helps you to maintain your privacy. see also e.g. here -> https://bitcoin.org/en/you-need-to-know#anonymous
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January 22, 2017, 02:36:55 PM |
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-snip- Bitcoin is not anonymous, if it would be the question by OP could not be answered. Its pseudonymous, like e-mail.
Why is bitcoin not anonymous? What personal information can they access? You are asking the wrong question. What personal information can you get from the e-mail address " shor3na@gmail.com"? None, but when you send a mail to it you know it will always end up with the same person. Thats what pseudonymous means. There is an alias which masks my personal information, yet you can still know you send information to the same person using the same alias. Bitcoin Addresses have the same property. A fully anonymous system has no aliases. Everything would look identical or like random noise without any way to distinguish one person (behind an alias) from the other.
Why is bitcoin not anonymous? What personal information can they access?
Bitcoin may be quite anonymous if you use mixers, exhanges etc You are funny, using exchanges would very likely blow your pseudonym as well as you need to identify yourself to the exchange. A mixer can help to avoid connections between addresses, thus keeping your pseudonyms apart from eachother. It does not make you anonymous. It just helps you to maintain your privacy. see also e.g. here -> https://bitcoin.org/en/you-need-to-know#anonymousWhat happens if we do not associate any account with our bitcoin address? When I transfer funds from the bitcoin exchange sites to my bank account, my identity is revealed. But what happens if I make all my purchases online without making a connection with my personal account? In short, I wonder if the bitcoin protocol itself is anonymous? Is our IP address logged?
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January 22, 2017, 03:37:28 PM |
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What happens if we do not associate any account with our bitcoin address? When I transfer funds from the bitcoin exchange sites to my bank account, my identity is revealed. But what happens if I make all my purchases online without making a connection with my personal account?
In short, I wonder if the bitcoin protocol itself is anonymous? Is our IP address logged?
The most practical method to stay completely anonymous is to use a mixer service which you could set receiving addresses and even set delay time in sending orders, and no matter from where you are sending your bitcoins to the mixer's address, your IP is no longer an issue. IP addresses of the nodes are logged anyone relaying transactions but they might using TOR so you can't really tell if it's their real IP. Mixing bitcoin is like using burner phones.
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January 22, 2017, 04:11:35 PM |
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What happens if we do not associate any account with our bitcoin address? When I transfer funds from the bitcoin exchange sites to my bank account, my identity is revealed. But what happens if I make all my purchases online without making a connection with my personal account?
In short, I wonder if the bitcoin protocol itself is anonymous? Is our IP address logged?
The most practical method to stay completely anonymous is to use a mixer service which you could set receiving addresses and even set delay time in sending orders, and no matter from where you are sending your bitcoins to the mixer's address, your IP is no longer an issue. IP addresses of the nodes are logged anyone relaying transactions but they might using TOR so you can't really tell if it's their real IP. Mixing bitcoin is like using burner phones. Do not we see the first address and last address in the bitcoin laundry sites? For example, x my personal address. the mixer sites are addresses a, b, c, d, e, f I transferred money from address x to address c. The mixer site transferred the money between his addresses. Example process: x -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d Now, when I want to use the money at d, can not it be found that this money comes from x address? Can not they ask where you got this money from?
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January 22, 2017, 04:41:24 PM |
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What happens if we do not associate any account with our bitcoin address? When I transfer funds from the bitcoin exchange sites to my bank account, my identity is revealed. But what happens if I make all my purchases online without making a connection with my personal account?
In short, I wonder if the bitcoin protocol itself is anonymous? Is our IP address logged?
The most practical method to stay completely anonymous is to use a mixer service which you could set receiving addresses and even set delay time in sending orders, and no matter from where you are sending your bitcoins to the mixer's address, your IP is no longer an issue. IP addresses of the nodes are logged anyone relaying transactions but they might using TOR so you can't really tell if it's their real IP. Mixing bitcoin is like using burner phones. Do not we see the first address and last address in the bitcoin laundry sites? For example, x my personal address. the mixer sites are addresses a, b, c, d, e, f I transferred money from address x to address c. The mixer site transferred the money between his addresses. Example process: x -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d Now, when I want to use the money at d, can not it be found that this money comes from x address? Can not they ask where you got this money from? the path of money is more like: X is a matrix of 1000's of addresses each one of them moving, like you said: -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d and finaly from d to 1000's of destination addresses. so, do you think you can trace back the path of all this transaction's? believe me, it will be really really hard mission.
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January 22, 2017, 04:49:29 PM |
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I am running blockparser from time to time, so the top BTC addresses looked like that about a week ago
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Balance Hash160 Base58 nbIn lastTimeIn nbOut lastTimeOut --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 131439.82180613 e95dbb25283cc35d4a6aefa76c0382e63ce0fa36 3Nxwenay9Z8Lc9JBiywExpnEFiLp6Afp8v 83 Fri Jan 13 21:31:52 2017 20 Fri Jan 13 21:31:52 2017 124178.00014420 bcadb700c24da04b17feb9aa9bd71e368a4b623c 1JCe8z4jJVNXSjohjM4i9Hh813dLCNx2Sy 20 Fri Dec 23 07:58:33 2016 1 Wed Aug 24 11:48:26 2016 83136.54056264 4fafd53c1d1359fafb95a231ef16e64c01112cf2 38xMwnXgYmnzvbmqz8TFZ1zxnwVcdv1uq4 684 Sun Jan 15 14:07:57 2017 280 Sun Jan 15 14:07:57 2017 79957.12659773 a0b0d60e5991578ed37cbda2b17d8b2ce23ab295 1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF 89 Wed Dec 28 09:53:40 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 69370.10690994 b3dd79fb3460c7b0d0bbb8d2ed93436b88b6d89c 1HQ3Go3ggs8pFnXuHVHRytPCq5fGG8Hbhx 69 Sat Nov 12 03:16:46 2016 1 Thu Apr 23 14:10:25 2015 66650.59640465 3d03002dbed5cb1dc10fc6bcb0886d2df32f2838 16ZbpCEyVVdqu8VycWR8thUL2Rd9JnjzHt 170 Sun Nov 13 23:32:38 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 66583.22391617 cd4b7b8f9db1b0c709fd0c9f0534fca6a9f40495 1KiVwxEuGBYavyKrxkLncJt2pQ5YUUQX7f 120 Sat Feb 13 06:40:01 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 66452.06624862 f9e6bbcdc83d8f351014e07495f386fe1067ec7b 1PnMfRF2enSZnR6JSexxBHuQnxG8Vo5FVK 114 Sat Feb 13 06:40:01 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 66378.80961189 6a6015e3793207af6dff7c48ee9e193d73547cdc 1AhTjUMztCihiTyA4K6E3QEpobjWLwKhkR 181 Thu Feb 18 17:09:28 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 66235.82427687 8b70193546504fa3623598722575f70b5b1c6455 1DiHDQMPFu4p84rkLn6Majj2LCZZZRQUaa 125 Sat Feb 13 06:40:01 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 66233.73859546 908b47d6a15d89c3ee34df1bc68a00ec4ff70c9b 1EBHA1ckUWzNKN7BMfDwGTx6GKEbADUozX 127 Fri Aug 26 09:33:37 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 66205.47375047 27ed35ebcf72744ec3b4a0f4dbb83d7620acf443 14e7XAZbepQp9MXXzjNG3fNLoAUpaBAXHW 132 Fri Apr 29 10:29:14 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 66170.69605917 f33a3af3695f041e2ea6271f1fe6309abac4dd58 1PB4xXUFyy4kSNqroCBVaQuCuw9VcN3be4 171 Fri Feb 12 04:57:18 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 66163.44524020 53f9818e8d2d23c3163c01a33d83e49ebfa16ac4 18f1yugoAJuXcHAbsuRVLQC9TezJ6iVRLp 124 Wed Mar 9 23:07:42 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 53880.05741758 d74de95f65799793f16b91ed8a152110652d3ec0 1LdRcdxfbSnmCYYNdeYpUnztiYzVfBEQeC 21 Fri Feb 12 04:57:18 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 48260.47200000 95d214e83ce3f9c635fdc049c4d6bf0fd40306ad 1EfBMK9q6rGFZazeF7jyNdTgqGYgcDgRE5 13 Wed Aug 24 05:31:56 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 45072.71428633 c5464169a9aabad0e361ccf1d436d3e843708e7d 3Kg7Cmooris7cLErTsijq6qR1FH3cTiK2G 20897 Fri Jan 6 20:05:00 2017 10 Fri Jan 6 20:05:00 2017 44998.00006000 3d9e561f21d312f9b8b46e74169263e2452d5591 16cou7Ht6WjTzuFyDBnht9hmvXytg6XdVT 58 Fri Jul 8 14:53:10 2016 55 Thu Jun 2 14:09:27 2016 44864.42498338 e552a6a2afa8ae80a773dc9bb95f8c25c5b3bdd3 1MuYkciQTfRsU94ReAe5MiAfUpCrbLBcFR 20887 Fri Feb 12 04:57:18 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 44097.99133500 563362991b8627e0def8c69b086339e59dc11e4c 18rnfoQgGo1HqvVQaAN4QnxjYE7Sez9eca 173 Fri Jan 13 08:56:02 2017 9 Wed Mar 30 15:49:12 2016 44009.11740108 2e0d00d098274c907a59713677da96f9bd9e49b7 15CVfJUC1LKn1GKZx6RM5UMbFfnTd8vTT4 29 Sun Jul 3 09:57:42 2016 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
You can get a lot of other information from a blockparser run too. E.g. the oldest most funded BTC address. Which is:
200.00000000 bcade5c8ddf6a571e438575771ce766ae7a01948 1JCeMgVeDzLdxz3G5vRin2ydNxUp6E5yFf 1 Wed Feb 11 23:32:48 2009 0 Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970
Which - I'm sure only by pure coincidence - is also the only one that has the same bcad hash160 prefix like the 2nd most funded BTC address.
Rico
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January 27, 2017, 12:24:04 PM |
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What happens if we do not associate any account with our bitcoin address? When I transfer funds from the bitcoin exchange sites to my bank account, my identity is revealed. But what happens if I make all my purchases online without making a connection with my personal account?
In short, I wonder if the bitcoin protocol itself is anonymous? Is our IP address logged?
The most practical method to stay completely anonymous is to use a mixer service which you could set receiving addresses and even set delay time in sending orders, and no matter from where you are sending your bitcoins to the mixer's address, your IP is no longer an issue. IP addresses of the nodes are logged anyone relaying transactions but they might using TOR so you can't really tell if it's their real IP. Mixing bitcoin is like using burner phones. Do not we see the first address and last address in the bitcoin laundry sites? For example, x my personal address. the mixer sites are addresses a, b, c, d, e, f I transferred money from address x to address c. The mixer site transferred the money between his addresses. Example process: x -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d Now, when I want to use the money at d, can not it be found that this money comes from x address? Can not they ask where you got this money from? the path of money is more like: X is a matrix of 1000's of addresses each one of them moving, like you said: -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d and finaly from d to 1000's of destination addresses. so, do you think you can trace back the path of all this transaction's? believe me, it will be really really hard mission. Could you explain a little more? Is it a 1000X1000 matrix? And do you have randomly generated btc addresses in the elements of this matrix? And how do you process these matrices? multiplication, addition?
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sir.humus
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January 27, 2017, 02:37:50 PM |
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What happens if we do not associate any account with our bitcoin address? When I transfer funds from the bitcoin exchange sites to my bank account, my identity is revealed. But what happens if I make all my purchases online without making a connection with my personal account?
In short, I wonder if the bitcoin protocol itself is anonymous? Is our IP address logged?
The most practical method to stay completely anonymous is to use a mixer service which you could set receiving addresses and even set delay time in sending orders, and no matter from where you are sending your bitcoins to the mixer's address, your IP is no longer an issue. IP addresses of the nodes are logged anyone relaying transactions but they might using TOR so you can't really tell if it's their real IP. Mixing bitcoin is like using burner phones. Do not we see the first address and last address in the bitcoin laundry sites? For example, x my personal address. the mixer sites are addresses a, b, c, d, e, f I transferred money from address x to address c. The mixer site transferred the money between his addresses. Example process: x -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d Now, when I want to use the money at d, can not it be found that this money comes from x address? Can not they ask where you got this money from? the path of money is more like: X is a matrix of 1000's of addresses each one of them moving, like you said: -> c -> f -> a -> e -> b -> d and finaly from d to 1000's of destination addresses. so, do you think you can trace back the path of all this transaction's? believe me, it will be really really hard mission. Could you explain a little more? Is it a 1000X1000 matrix? And do you have randomly generated btc addresses in the elements of this matrix? And how do you process these matrices? multiplication, addition? I didn't mean actually a matrix of x by y addresses, just tried to demonstrate there are a lot of addresses uses the same paths so it'll be very hard to trace back a single transaction. And I guess they add some dummy transactions just to make it harder. Anyway, if you know someone who can figure out the origin of a specific transaction let me know
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