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January 10, 2017, 09:32:32 AM
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Hi Lauda. I do not know why you give me red trust. Is that because I apply to a signature campaign ?



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January 10, 2017, 10:41:53 AM
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It clearly states in the description of the rating why you've received it:

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January 10, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
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It clearly states in the description of the rating why you've received it:

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Account sales encourage different types of shady behavior (scams, spam, account farming, et al.).

Let's not play games here and avoid the "I didn't try to sell / buy this account." lies.
Yeah. I do not sell my account. So why i got red trust ?



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January 11, 2017, 05:40:22 AM
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excuse me. I do not think this is what a staff member should do. Ignore post from members ? At least you must tell me the reason why I got red trust from you. Anyone ?



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January 11, 2017, 09:31:31 AM
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excuse me. I do not think this is what a staff member should do. Ignore post from members ? At least you must tell me the reason why I got red trust from you. Anyone ?
Maybe you could have discussed it privately with Lauda ?

Since lauda has left no references for their feedback,here's what I can conclude from your previous posts :
-You're probably an account farmer.
-This is a farmed account (I'm surprised you're not banned)
-Hence the feedback is justified.

It clearly states in the description of the rating why you've received it:

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Account sales encourage different types of shady behavior (scams, spam, account farming, et al.).

Let's not play games here and avoid the "I didn't try to sell / buy this account." lies.

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January 11, 2017, 09:41:59 AM
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excuse me. I do not think this is what a staff member should do. Ignore post from members ?
1) Staff members are not obliged to answer to members.
2) Being a staff member has nothing to do with feedback.

At least you must tell me the reason why I got red trust from you. Anyone ?
I have already explained it to you, and you have now started breaking a forum rule (1 bump per 24 hours / consecutive posting).

Maybe you could have discussed it privately with Lauda ?
They did not and it will likely not work because of their foul attempts at lying here. This should be enough to tip off bystanders who don't have access to my methods:

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excuse me. I do not think this is what a staff member should do. Ignore post from members ? At least you must tell me the reason why I got red trust from you. Anyone ?
Maybe you could have discussed it privately with Lauda ?

Since lauda has left no references for their feedback,here's what I can conclude from your previous posts :
-You're probably an account farmer.
-This is a farmed account (I'm surprised you're not banned)
-Hence the feedback is justified.

It clearly states in the description of the rating why you've received it:

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Account sales encourage different types of shady behavior (scams, spam, account farming, et al.).

Let's not play games here and avoid the "I didn't try to sell / buy this account." lies.
claiming bonus = farming account ?

excuse me. I do not think this is what a staff member should do. Ignore post from members ?
1) Staff members are not obliged to answer to members.
2) Being a staff member has nothing to do with feedback.

At least you must tell me the reason why I got red trust from you. Anyone ?
I have already explained it to you, and you have now started breaking a forum rule (1 bump per 24 hours / consecutive posting).

Maybe you could have discussed it privately with Lauda ?
They did not and it will likely not work because of their foul attempts at lying here. This should be enough to tip off bystanders who don't have access to my methods:

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This user's email address was changed recently.
This user changed his/her password recently.



so that means people are not allowed to change their password along with their email or they will get negative trust,right ? i do not see it in the rule. you do not deserve to be a staff member. you give negative for no reason.



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Lauda, how do you know that this guy is not one of these people? Did you ask them if 'infer' belonged to them?

@infer - I can see why Lauda thinks you are a sold account, however I cannot see why Lauda thinks this makes you a scammer. Maybe Lauda cares to explain......but then again Lauda has failed to explain this discrepancy, so I would not hold your breath for an explanation.
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claiming bonus = farming account ?

An account whose 1st post, up until the 119th were all on the games and round section.

And the 120th? Applying in a signature campaign.(surprise, surprise)

121st to 125th are all in this thread.

You're seriously expecting people to believe this is NOT a farmed account? Coupled with the timing of that email/password change,
Soon as it became Full member, it decides to change email/password and then apply for a signature campaign.
All I can see here is it was farmed till Full Member, sold, and would have been used for sig spam. Too bad it got tagged so it's now useless for sigs, huh.?




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claiming bonus = farming account ?

An account whose 1st post, up until the 119th were all on the games and round section.

And the 120th? Applying in a signature campaign.(surprise, surprise)

121st to 125th are all in this thread.

You're seriously expecting people to believe this is NOT a farmed account? Coupled with the timing of that email/password change,
Soon as it became Full member, it decides to change email/password and then apply for a signature campaign.
All I can see here is it was farmed till Full Member, sold, and would have been used for sig spam. Too bad it got tagged so it's now useless for sigs, huh.?

Can you see the future? Besides, isnt spam a moderation issue and unrelated to trust ratings?
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claiming bonus = farming account ?

An account whose 1st post, up until the 119th were all on the games and round section.

And the 120th? Applying in a signature campaign.(surprise, surprise)

121st to 125th are all in this thread.

You're seriously expecting people to believe this is NOT a farmed account? Coupled with the timing of that email/password change,
Soon as it became Full member, it decides to change email/password and then apply for a signature campaign.
All I can see here is it was farmed till Full Member, sold, and would have been used for sig spam. Too bad it got tagged so it's now useless for sigs, huh.?

Can you see the future? Besides, isnt spam a moderation issue and unrelated to trust ratings?
Apparently that line is blurred for some people. I was tagged with valid negative trust for spamming recently and presented as "serial signature spammer".
I felt like this was straight abuse of trust system. Usage of trust system in this way might be sign that we are entering dead-end evolution of a trust network.
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claiming bonus = farming account ?

An account whose 1st post, up until the 119th were all on the games and round section.

And the 120th? Applying in a signature campaign.(surprise, surprise)

121st to 125th are all in this thread.

You're seriously expecting people to believe this is NOT a farmed account? Coupled with the timing of that email/password change,
Soon as it became Full member, it decides to change email/password and then apply for a signature campaign.
All I can see here is it was farmed till Full Member, sold, and would have been used for sig spam. Too bad it got tagged so it's now useless for sigs, huh.?

Can you see the future? Besides, isnt spam a moderation issue and unrelated to trust ratings?

Spam is no longer a moderation issue as I've seen many users being negged for spamming so that they cannot participate in signature campaigns. Leaving it for the moderator or campaign manager to decide the fate of the user/s is not considered any more. The whole TRUST system needs to be remodeled and some rules should be set to avoid this misuse/abuse.

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Spam is no longer a moderation issue as I've seen many users being negged for spamming so that they cannot participate in signature campaigns.
'Many users'? Could you please PM me a list of these users. Spam is still an ever growing problem on this forum.

The whole TRUST system needs to be remodeled and some rules should be set to avoid this misuse/abuse.
If it's a web-of-trust system, then leaving a rating to someone, because their behavior (spamming) is untrustworthy, is an appropriate use of the system. The problem with the current system is only that it isn't fully defined, although this makes it easy for the community to adapt to new trends and act accordingly.

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January 13, 2017, 07:38:40 PM
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Spam is no longer a moderation issue as I've seen many users being negged for spamming so that they cannot participate in signature campaigns.

Are there more DT members doing this? I only know of Lauda and Lutpin.

Leaving it for the moderator or campaign manager to decide the fate of the user/s is not considered any more. The whole TRUST system needs to be remodeled and some rules should be set to avoid this misuse/abuse.

I dont think we need to use this as another excuse the start a discussion about a possible new trust system. If you have a new idea how to solve, suggest it in meta. The last change theymos had a vote on was denied.
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there is no reason for leaving red trust for me. People are abusing the trust system. I hate Lauda. Now i can not participant in any giveawyas anymore. thanks a lot Lauda
Admin of this forum should delete the changing password and email function because if people do change their password or email, they will soon get negative trust.
Or maybe this function is a bait for Lauda to give red trust withou reason



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January 14, 2017, 02:02:13 AM
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Can you see the future? Besides, isn't spam a moderation issue and unrelated to trust ratings?
An account that's used exclusively for the games and round, with not a single post joining any other discussion?
I don't need to "see the future" to know that.

Besides, I don't consider spam as purely a concern for moderators or even DT. Everyone should, and can help. Either

by reporting it or leaving negative feedback.  


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January 14, 2017, 02:04:38 AM
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there is no reason for leaving red trust for me. People are abusing the trust system. I hate Lauda. Now i can not participant in any giveawyas anymore. thanks a lot Lauda
Admin of this forum should delete the changing password and email function because if people do change their password or email, they will soon get negative trust.
Or maybe this function is a bait for Lauda to give red trust withou reason

As far as I know, you should be able to participate in most giveaways with negative trust. Just not be able to recieve vouches. Altough, if you ask the runner of those individual ampaigns, they may allow you to enter anyway even if the rules specify no negative trust.

@Lauda, could you also put some sort of reference link in the trust report just so it can be confirmed that the account was sold (I think trust seems more valid if it has an appropriate link of evidence attached to it - such as the sec-log data for both the change of password and email at the same time).

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January 14, 2017, 04:15:07 AM
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there is no reason for leaving red trust for me. People are abusing the trust system. I hate Lauda. Now i can not participant in any giveawyas anymore. thanks a lot Lauda
Admin of this forum should delete the changing password and email function because if people do change their password or email, they will soon get negative trust.
Or maybe this function is a bait for Lauda to give red trust withou reason

As far as I know, you should be able to participate in most giveaways with negative trust. Just not be able to recieve vouches. Altough, if you ask the runner of those individual ampaigns, they may allow you to enter anyway even if the rules specify no negative trust.

@Lauda, could you also put some sort of reference link in the trust report just so it can be confirmed that the account was sold (I think trust seems more valid if it has an appropriate link of evidence attached to it - such as the sec-log data for both the change of password and email at the same time).
there will be no never ref link for this issue since this is my account LOL. The trust system is spoiled



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January 14, 2017, 08:56:29 AM
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@Lauda, could you also put some sort of reference link in the trust report just so it can be confirmed that the account was sold (I think trust seems more valid if it has an appropriate link of evidence attached to it - such as the sec-log data for both the change of password and email at the same time).
I'm not going to do that. The password change is already no longer visible here, not that this is relevant to my methods of uncovering account sales.

there will be no never ref link for this issue since this is my account LOL.
That's pretty much the same story that I hear every week.

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January 14, 2017, 09:18:22 AM
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@Lauda, could you also put some sort of reference link in the trust report just so it can be confirmed that the account was sold (I think trust seems more valid if it has an appropriate link of evidence attached to it - such as the sec-log data for both the change of password and email at the same time).
I'm not going to do that. The password change is already no longer visible here, not that this is relevant to my methods of uncovering account sales.

there will be no never ref link for this issue since this is my account LOL.
That's pretty much the same story that I hear every week.
LOL. Change password = account farming. You must be the genius here. No evidence. It seems like you want to destroy the whole forum with your trust point.
Lauda mindset about everything = account farming
Hey LAuda I have a question: what can I do to recover my default trust ? Shall I make another thread about this issue ?



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