[BUSINESS] 25K USD Investment - more info inside - 200% ROI

[Blaater]

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This is a serious topic about an open investment for a new to be created company by me. As I want to keep this not publicly known at this moment, please give me a PM if you are interested. I have an investment plan that I can mail to you with all information.

I will not send this information to anyone under Full Member status or if I do not trust you with the information.

- Yes I do know this is very little information for this topic, but I doubt there will be many people here that are willing to do this big kind of investment. Those that are interested wouldnt mind sending a PM for more information about this opportunity.


-Agreement has been reached with a family members about this loan, closing this topic for now.-

[Starlightbreaker]

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This is a serious topic about an open investment for a new to be created company by me. As I want to keep this not publicly known at this moment, please give me a PM if you are interested. I have an investment plan that I can mail to you with all information.

I will not send this information to anyone under Full Member status or if I do not trust you with the information.

- Yes I do know this is very little information for this topic, but I doubt there will be many people here that are willing to do this big kind of investment. Those that are interested wouldnt mind sending a PM for more information about this opportunity.

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At least can you tell us in what time we will get the 100% ROI?

[Blaater]

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This is a serious topic about an open investment for a new to be created company by me. As I want to keep this not publicly known at this moment, please give me a PM if you are interested. I have an investment plan that I can mail to you with all information.

I will not send this information to anyone under Full Member status or if I do not trust you with the information.

- Yes I do know this is very little information for this topic, but I doubt there will be many people here that are willing to do this big kind of investment. Those that are interested wouldnt mind sending a PM for more information about this opportunity.

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At least can you tell us in what time we will get the 100% ROI?

It really depends on the amount of profit that will be made monthly. It is based on % of profit each month payment, until the 50K has been reached. My estimate it will in total take around 1,5 years.

I can sent you the document so you can 'vouch' that the document at least is real and that AFAIK all information is there.

[Starlightbreaker]

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This is a serious topic about an open investment for a new to be created company by me. As I want to keep this not publicly known at this moment, please give me a PM if you are interested. I have an investment plan that I can mail to you with all information.

I will not send this information to anyone under Full Member status or if I do not trust you with the information.

- Yes I do know this is very little information for this topic, but I doubt there will be many people here that are willing to do this big kind of investment. Those that are interested wouldnt mind sending a PM for more information about this opportunity.

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At least can you tell us in what time we will get the 100% ROI?

It really depends on the amount of profit that will be made monthly. It is based on % of profit each month payment, until the 50K has been reached. My estimate it will in total take around 1,5 years.

I can sent you the document so you can 'vouch' that the document at least is real and that AFAIK all information is there.

I am not a lawyer or someone that knows everything to be known about legitimacy of a document/contract.
i can look up though and share my opinion about it,not a "vouch" like Trust thing...

And why not, to involve more if it's something worth the wait...

[Blaater]

It is not a legal document or anything at this moment, it's just the basic information, and if there is real interest I will work out everything that the investor would like to know.

I have sent you a link to the document in PM.

[zazarb]

OP you in wrong section, move topic to "Long-term offers",
And even better lock topic because you do not have a chance to get a loan here.

[Starlightbreaker]

It is not a legal document or anything at this moment, it's just the basic information, and if there is real interest I will work out everything that the investor would like to know.

I have sent you a link to the document in PM.

Ok,i receive it and i will check on it.
soon i will send you a pm regarding this and a personal review.

Regards.

[bigassboy]

If you don't mind, I would like to have a look at your business proposal too..

[Blaater]

If you don't mind, I would like to have a look at your business proposal too..

Not a problem, PM sent.

[Blaater]

Received a reply from Bigassboy, this opportunity is not for him as it it not something automated. (This message is posted here with his consent)

Thank you for your honesty Bigassboy.

I am still willing to sent the document to those interested, let me know here or in PM if you want to remain anonimous.

The document can be downloaded @
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I'm looking forward to see how you think about this plan.

Cheers

sure, I can do that..

Hi,

Have you had the possibility of looking at the plan?

Regards.

Hi!
Yes, I did but I think that business is unsuitable for me, no doubt I think it can be successful but there's too much human decision involved in it like purchasing and selling the items. The buy/sell pricing will mainly be decided by each transaction itself. What i'm looking for is a automated type of business that will run by itself without much human involved. I'm sorry about it.


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[ThatRandom8543]

I do see where he is coming from, but most businesses will need human interaction (machines have came along way but automating decisions right off bat without someone standing behind it isnt always the best thing in my books).

[Blaater]

Still looking for one or more investors that are looking for opportunities. Please sent me a PM to get to know more. As I'd rather not have google index this topic combined with my website I will share all information with people in PM or over mail.

The first part of this business is now operational and money is going to start coming in slowly now. The more I can invest into this, the more I can sell.

[Quickseller]

Are you offering any kind of collateral for this "investment" or is it based entirely on trust? If on trust, then why should anyone trust you?

[Blaater]

Are you offering any kind of collateral for this "investment" or is it based entirely on trust? If on trust, then why should anyone trust you?

It is based on trust and a valid registered company at the Dutch chamber of Commerce (and a contract).

I've done trades in BTC for a total near 300k in the past on this forum. Some shows in my trust rating, and hopefully their are also people here on the fprum that can bouch for my previous webshop (usbminers.nl ) that was one of the biggest webshops in Holland for the mining community. Their are forum members here that have ordered for over 50k at my store in the past.

[ThatRandom8543]

It is based on trust and a valid registered company at the Dutch chamber of Commerce (and a contract).

I've done trades in BTC for a total near 300k in the past on this forum. Some shows in my trust rating, and hopefully their are also people here on the fprum that can bouch for my previous webshop (usbminers.nl ) that was one of the biggest webshops in Holland for the mining community. Their are forum members here that have ordered for over 50k at my store in the past.

What if the company goes under? The investors would then be out of money and you probably have whatever is left after the company is dissolved or after going bankrupt (since it would cost more than what is given to go to your country, file in such courts, etc). Trust alone, imho, isnt enough in this case.

[Quickseller]

Are you offering any kind of collateral for this "investment" or is it based entirely on trust? If on trust, then why should anyone trust you?

It is based on trust and a valid registered company at the Dutch chamber of Commerce (and a contract).

I've done trades in BTC for a total near 300k in the past on this forum. Some shows in my trust rating, and hopefully their are also people here on the fprum that can bouch for my previous webshop (usbminers.nl ) that was one of the biggest webshops in Holland for the mining community. Their are forum members here that have ordered for over 50k at my store in the past.

Your trust shows that you have only been entrusted with a few hundred to a few thousand dollars worth of others' money at a time, and for short periods. Your trust also shows something closer to around $10k in trades as opposed to $300k, although some of your trades may not have involved the leaving of trust rating at their conclusion. Could you maybe have some of your trading partners post that they have traded with you, the value of the trade at the time of the trade, and if they trusted you as part of the trade?

Another concern is that most of your trades involve Casascius coins, which is Suspect is not the case for your business proposal (I don't know what you are doing, so I might be wrong on this). How much experience do you have in the line of business you are proposing entering into? Even if you are not going to outright steal the money, this does not mean your project will automatically be successful.

[Blaater]

It is based on trust and a valid registered company at the Dutch chamber of Commerce (and a contract).

I've done trades in BTC for a total near 300k in the past on this forum. Some shows in my trust rating, and hopefully their are also people here on the fprum that can bouch for my previous webshop (usbminers.nl ) that was one of the biggest webshops in Holland for the mining community. Their are forum members here that have ordered for over 50k at my store in the past.

What if the company goes under? The investors would then be out of money and you probably have whatever is left after the company is dissolved or after going bankrupt (since it would cost more than what is given to go to your country, file in such courts, etc). Trust alone, imho, isnt enough in this case.

I cannot tell you exactly how much court costs would be etc. But my guess is that you would probably be right.

But, it would be hard to go bust as company, with VERY low maintenance costs (website, insurance) the chances of going bust are very slim. In a couple of weeks I am able to provide financial numbers from the first weeks of business.

We have had two weekends where we went to sell at a physical place and the first two weekends of doing this our revenue was approx $500, not a whole lot, but these physical markets are just for promoting our website. The website is where the profit should come from.

The website is easy to see btw, my avater is linking to it. Please don't mention the name in this topic as I don't want to get it indexed by google. We are filling the website slowly with content, the first 1500 cards are added and margins on cards are rougly between 30% and 60% each.

I have not updated my investment plan since creating this topic, but if someone is really interested I can create a new one with our actual costs and profits from our first few weeks of running.

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Are you offering any kind of collateral for this "investment" or is it based entirely on trust? If on trust, then why should anyone trust you?

It is based on trust and a valid registered company at the Dutch chamber of Commerce (and a contract).

I've done trades in BTC for a total near 300k in the past on this forum. Some shows in my trust rating, and hopefully their are also people here on the fprum that can bouch for my previous webshop (usbminers.nl ) that was one of the biggest webshops in Holland for the mining community. Their are forum members here that have ordered for over 50k at my store in the past.

Your trust shows that you have only been entrusted with a few hundred to a few thousand dollars worth of others' money at a time, and for short periods. Your trust also shows something closer to around $10k in trades as opposed to $300k, although some of your trades may not have involved the leaving of trust rating at their conclusion. Could you maybe have some of your trading partners post that they have traded with you, the value of the trade at the time of the trade, and if they trusted you as part of the trade?

Another concern is that most of your trades involve Casascius coins, which is Suspect is not the case for your business proposal (I don't know what you are doing, so I might be wrong on this). How much experience do you have in the line of business you are proposing entering into? Even if you are not going to outright steal the money, this does not mean your project will automatically be successful.

I can ask, but cannot guarantee anything, I know of only one of my customers that is also on this forum. It is a pretty well known member with a couple of 1000's of posts, but that might also be a reason why he would rather stay anonymous.

Other customers were direct customers through my former webshop, they are (a.f.a.i.k) not a member on this site.

Something a little easier for me to do is a little screenshot of my paypal http://imgur.com/a/qLjWS during my webshop period, it shows a good amount of bigger orders, I know it does not prove anything at this time, but the only real proof I can give is in a couple of weeks with a demo account of the admin panel with the sales on my new webshop. That will prove that my concept is viable and a good investment for investors.

PS. I stopped with my previous webshop because the risks were too big for me. The amount of money on single orders was too great. If anything went wrong then I would be in risk of bankruptcy and I have a lot to lose aswell (house with mortgage). And it was a risky business, I lost around 14K to blackarrow with their delays. I was able to handle that due to profits from other sales, but it made me realize that I should have started a little smaller from the start.

[Blaater]

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Are you offering any kind of collateral for this "investment" or is it based entirely on trust? If on trust, then why should anyone trust you?

It is based on trust and a valid registered company at the Dutch chamber of Commerce (and a contract).

I've done trades in BTC for a total near 300k in the past on this forum. Some shows in my trust rating, and hopefully their are also people here on the fprum that can bouch for my previous webshop (usbminers.nl ) that was one of the biggest webshops in Holland for the mining community. Their are forum members here that have ordered for over 50k at my store in the past.

Your trust shows that you have only been entrusted with a few hundred to a few thousand dollars worth of others' money at a time, and for short periods. Your trust also shows something closer to around $10k in trades as opposed to $300k, although some of your trades may not have involved the leaving of trust rating at their conclusion. Could you maybe have some of your trading partners post that they have traded with you, the value of the trade at the time of the trade, and if they trusted you as part of the trade?

Another concern is that most of your trades involve Casascius coins, which is Suspect is not the case for your business proposal (I don't know what you are doing, so I might be wrong on this). How much experience do you have in the line of business you are proposing entering into? Even if you are not going to outright steal the money, this does not mean your project will automatically be successful.

Getting people to sign my trust will be hard due to privacy/anonimity, but what I can do, I can still sign/transfer from the following addresses:

https://blockchain.info/address/1DzCnrgNS3MACNU5uAZ37AKA4nTV27yk5F  Total receivement of 232BTC  Verify
https://blockchain.info/address/1Hagmi63eqvw8HDfPbVNag4s3mAFMEpmAq Total receivement of 264BTC Verify
https://blockchain.info/address/14zDigY726eMK3RnnvrLCE9TJiP5htkHEz Total receivement of 5.44BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/1GBUT6vqgz5aMMYRR6FCU7ktFx9Ykz2QUy Total receivement of 9.81BTC
https://blockchain.info/address/16pb2twBPg6CEMbKZfq92oPZQqgdTW2dFo Total receivemnet of 47.60BTC

Totalling 558.85BTC of received funds, although there will be duplicate transactions from one address to the other, it also shows a total of $218.500 worth of transactions from me to PCFli (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=253683), he can confirm that I have bought big quantities of miners from him, and he has also trusted me in the past with big payments only after receiving miners. Hopefully this will boost the trust a little into me managing bigger amounts of BTC.

[Hemimo]

So what kind of collateral do we get for providing you with a loan? What kind of identifiable info will you give so you cannot run off with the money?

Please pm me your business plan. Thanks.

[Blaater]

So what kind of collateral do we get for providing you with a loan? What kind of identifiable info will you give so you cannot run off with the money?

Please pm me your business plan. Thanks.

Identifiable info will be everything, I am a registered company at the dutch chamber of commerce, and all needed papers (including those with my identification) is added.

I cannot PM you my business plan as it is a Word document, you either have to sent me a PM with a request with an e-mail address, but before I sent you the document, I would like some confirment about your seriousness, as I am not spilling out all my personal details to anyone on the internet. You are a newbie account (maybe an alt?), you have no trust build up at the moment yet.