95% lol. No chance. SegWit is now dead.

[RawDog]

Good job Roger Ver, it looks like SegWit has absolutely no chance at all of getting anywhere near 95%.  I doubt they will ever get over 50%.

SegWit is not Bitcoin.  SegWit is an altcoin.  

I feel it is my duty as a concerned citizen and valuable contributor of the Bitcoin community to declare SegWit dead on arrival. 

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[Yakamoto]

Yeah, a 95% support rate is way too good to be true, and it is going to fail, almost guaranteed. You have to be considering something more like 75% at best, considering how divided the community is on this already. There is no way you'd get to 95% without some considerably aggressive advertising or arguing with many high-profile people at big events stating their support of it.

Segwit will not succeed according to their goals.

[franky1]

Good job Roger Ver, it looks like SegWit has absolutely no chance at all of getting anywhere near 95%.  I doubt they will ever get over 50%.

SegWit is not Bitcoin.  SegWit is an altcoin.  

I feel it is my duty as a concerned citizen and valuable contributor of the Bitcoin community to declare SegWit dead on arrival.  

no point giving roger Ver the blame or fame. Ver only had ~10% so dont let blockstream make you believe Ver alone..

it's the other 65% that were not in agreement with blockstream aswell...
but we all know blockstream are gonna ply lots of investors with alcohol and free drinks in miami this month. so we will soon see if those investors linked to mining farms suddenly change their minds after a bit of blockstream ass kissing

[cpfreeplz]

Good job Roger Ver, it looks like SegWit has absolutely no chance at all of getting anywhere near 95%.  I doubt they will ever get over 50%.

SegWit is not Bitcoin.  SegWit is an altcoin.  

I feel it is my duty as a concerned citizen and valuable contributor of the Bitcoin community to declare SegWit dead on arrival.  

no point giving roger Ver the blame or fame. Ver only had ~10% so dont let blockstream make you believe Ver alone..

it's the other 65% that were not in agreement with blockstream aswell...
but we all know blockstream are gonna ply lots of investors with alcohol and free drinks in miami this month. so we will soon see if those investors linked to mining farms suddenly change their minds after a bit of blockstream ass kissing

There's only so much schmoozing you can do. I highly doubt at this rate we'll see segwit take off. It's too bad but ugh, the 95% that was decided on was a stretch from the get go.

[Velkro]

Yeah, a 95% support rate is way too good to be true, and it is going to fail, almost guaranteed. You have to be considering something more like 75% at best, considering how divided the community is on this already.

Not because of community divided. There were no human beign that 95% people like. There are always groups that like someone/something and dislike it.
From my experience if 75% of userbase want something, they are right and it should be introduced for the sake of all users even if they disagree.
I trully belive that and thats from my experience personally.
So 95% is a joke really... no way almost everyone will agree on something, some people just disagree to cause chaos or for fun or from boredom etc.

[franky1]

There's only so much schmoozing you can do. I highly doubt at this rate we'll see segwit take off. It's too bad but ugh, the 95% that was decided on was a stretch from the get go.

gmaxwell has a trick up his sleeve..
he can cause a hardfork to get a softfork activated. by deliberately orphaning blocks that oppose segwit. not because the block data is bad.. but purely because its not voting in favour of segwit.

If there is some reason when the users of Bitcoin would rather have it activate at 90%  (e.g. lets just imagine some altcoin publicly raised money to block an important improvement to Bitcoin) then even with the 95% rule the network could choose to activate it at 90% just by orphaning the blocks of the non-supporters until 95%+ of the remaining blocks signaled activation.

so funny that blockstream/core said that all the segwit data was good and backward compatible. but now suggesting everyone should upgrade to be full nodes and that they can even orphan off blocks to get their way(hard fork)..

if the data was truely backward compatible there should be no reason to orphan.. thats the point of why a softfork was promoted and how it was promised to the community. to not cause disruption by/of orphans.

[shinratensei_]

SegWit is not Bitcoin.  SegWit is an altcoin.  

SegWit isn't altcoin too,It seems LTC isn't seriously needing SegWit. LTC is the matter of hype for pushing the coin.  

[densuj]

Hmmm... I think segwit still has chance for becoming solution about block size of bitcoins
but we must wait until there are results from litecoin that had activated segwit or
wait until the developers of bitcoins gives results proggess updating the segwit
i think it is too fast making opinion the segwit is dead.

[topesis]

Yeah, a 95% support rate is way too good to be true, and it is going to fail, almost guaranteed. You have to be considering something more like 75% at best, considering how divided the community is on this already.

Not because of community divided. There were no human beign that 95% people like. There are always groups that like someone/something and dislike it.
From my experience if 75% of userbase want something, they are right and it should be introduced for the sake of all users even if they disagree.
I trully belive that and thats from my experience personally.
So 95% is a joke really... no way almost everyone will agree on something, some people just disagree to cause chaos or for fun or from boredom etc.

I totally agree with you 95% is a big ask, some people are just there to disrupt things and hinder progress, for me what is happening in case of SegWit is a power tussle between developers and investors who want to have a cut of the pie.

[franky1]

SegWit is not Bitcoin.  SegWit is an altcoin.  

SegWit isn't altcoin too

check out my post above.. where gmaxwell calls anything not segwit an altcoin. yet its segwit that is currently not activated on the mainnet.. yet other implementations he wants to fight against. including old bitcoin nodes are altcoins in his mind.

screw it here you go, saves you scrolling

If there is some reason when the users of Bitcoin would rather have it activate at 90%  (e.g. lets just imagine some altcoin publicly raised money to block an important improvement to Bitcoin) then even with the 95% rule the network could choose to activate it at 90% just by orphaning the blocks of the non-supporters until 95%+ of the remaining blocks signaled activation.

yes he wants to call bitcoin0.8-bitcoin0.12 nodes an altcoin if a pools wanted to stick to those old nodes and refuse to upgrade to bitcoin0.13 just to flag desire for. and refuse to wait for the actual segwit node 0.14 that will only be released after activation.

funny part is an altcoin is something thats not actively running on the network..
in short.. how can something not on the network affect the network its not on.

EG how can ltc block an important bitcoin improvement on the bitcoin network.. it cant.

only an active bitcoin node on the network can be able to block something different from getting onto the network. meaning the blocker is bitcoin and the blockee is the alt

[MicroGuy]

Good job Roger Ver, it looks like SegWit has absolutely no chance at all of getting anywhere near 95%.  I doubt they will ever get over 50%.

SegWit is not Bitcoin.  SegWit is an altcoin.  

I feel it is my duty as a concerned citizen and valuable contributor of the Bitcoin community to declare SegWit dead on arrival.  

I pray to God you are correct Mr. Raw Dogs!  



~~

FYI: Someone in C-CEX chat said I had a small pickle. I can assure the reader there is no problem in that department!

[Kprawn]

Yeah, a 95% support rate is way too good to be true, and it is going to fail, almost guaranteed. You have to be considering something more like 75% at best, considering how divided the community is on this already.

Not because of community divided. There were no human beign that 95% people like. There are always groups that like someone/something and dislike it.
From my experience if 75% of userbase want something, they are right and it should be introduced for the sake of all users even if they disagree.
I trully belive that and thats from my experience personally.
So 95% is a joke really... no way almost everyone will agree on something, some people just disagree to cause chaos or for fun or from boredom etc.

I totally agree with you 95% is a big ask, some people are just there to disrupt things and hinder progress, for me what is happening in case of SegWit is a power tussle between developers and investors who want to have a cut of the pie.

Nope, the tussle is between developers and developers. It has been like this with Core vs Classic and Core vs XT and Core against Alt coins.

Everyone wants the power and the brag rights, to be in charge of the development of the most powerful Crypto currency in the world. Just

imagine your CV if you can pull that off.  It is ALL about the money and the power now. 

[franky1]

Yeah, a 95% support rate is way too good to be true, and it is going to fail, almost guaranteed. You have to be considering something more like 75% at best, considering how divided the community is on this already.

Not because of community divided. There were no human beign that 95% people like. There are always groups that like someone/something and dislike it.
From my experience if 75% of userbase want something, they are right and it should be introduced for the sake of all users even if they disagree.
I trully belive that and thats from my experience personally.
So 95% is a joke really... no way almost everyone will agree on something, some people just disagree to cause chaos or for fun or from boredom etc.

I totally agree with you 95% is a big ask, some people are just there to disrupt things and hinder progress, for me what is happening in case of SegWit is a power tussle between developers and investors who want to have a cut of the pie.

Nope, the tussle is between developers and developers. It has been like this with Core vs Classic and Core vs XT and Core against Alt coins.

Everyone wants the power and the brag rights, to be in charge of the development of the most powerful Crypto currency in the world. Just

imagine your CV if you can pull that off.   It is ALL about the money and the power now.  

and this CV who will it be handed to when these devs want a job and move away from working on bitcoin?
and ALL the money(fiat) where is it coming from.

yep
core devs are getting paid by bankers and want jobs working with bankers.. look at blockstream getting into bed with hyperledger.
look at all the unpaid blockstream fanboys working as interns showing off their loyalty to blockstream hoping for a job with blockstream and the banks.

[alyssa85]

So what actually happens now? Will the miners go for Bitcoin Classic or Unlimited, or does the bickering continue without being resolved for another year?

[franky1]

So what actually happens now? Will the miners go for Bitcoin Classic or Unlimited, or does the bickering continue without being resolved for another year?

pools wont vote for either side unless they know nodes can handle it.. pools are smart enough to know about the risks of having nodes that cant validate data.

thats what the 65% undecided are waiting for..

it should have been a node consensus first, pool consensus second strategy.
not a pool first, node second.

[Itty Bitty]

Well don't forget how close NitWit came to being consenusized in 2012, it was at 30% most of the year and then momentum picked up in month 11, then just missed out at 87%. You just can't ever tell what the herd will do...

[twodrive01]

Well don't forget how close NitWit came to being consenusized in 2012, it was at 30% most of the year and then momentum picked up in month 11, then just missed out at 87%. You just can't ever tell what the herd will do...

We should be able to vote on Augur to get a better picture.

[calkob]

Bitcoin will either make it through this impasse or it wont, its pretty simple.  its the beauty of an open source project.  i wouldn't want it any other way .  Either bitcoin will fade in to history and we all are stuck with the current financial system, or some genius will come up with a solution that suits everyone, simple   

[BillyBobZorton]

Good job Roger Ver, it looks like SegWit has absolutely no chance at all of getting anywhere near 95%.  I doubt they will ever get over 50%.

SegWit is not Bitcoin.  SegWit is an altcoin.  

I feel it is my duty as a concerned citizen and valuable contributor of the Bitcoin community to declare SegWit dead on arrival. 

Roger Ver is one of the biggest idiots on the community, he has never made a good job on anything other than being wrong, in this case, by not supporting segwit, just like the rest of experts, including andreas antonopoulos etc. Everyone with a functional brain wants segwit.

Roger Ver is a smartass, he is on record claiming its ok turning bitcoin into paypal 2.0 if that is the result of getting a blocksize thats big enough to guarantee fast cheap onchain transactions.

Roger Ver is a mess.

[alyssa85]

So what actually happens now? Will the miners go for Bitcoin Classic or Unlimited, or does the bickering continue without being resolved for another year?

pools wont vote for either side unless they know nodes can handle it.. pools are smart enough to know about the risks of having nodes that cant validate data.

thats what the 65% undecided are waiting for..

it should have been a node consensus first, pool consensus second strategy.
not a pool first, node second.

So how many nodes support Classic or Unlimited? Wasn't there a thing about a year back when Classic nodes were getting DDOSed by the Core people? Has that stopped?