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January 16, 2017, 01:15:25 PM
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Hey guys!

I opened a thread not long ago to ask for opinions about web wallets!
I clearly asked for a wallet where I had no need to pay fees. I got multiple answers and I thank everyone for that.

I had a very unpleasant AND stupid private message from a Hero member so I thought about sharing both my tests and his message to you all.
There is no wallet without fees!!
And even if there would be one what do you think is going to happen with your transaction if you're not even willing to pay a single satoshi??!!
Right the miners will give a fuck about your transaction!!
Always amazes me how stupid and ignorant people like you can be.

So in addition to the special rudeness of the sender who prefered insults to explanation, there is also the simple fact that there actually ARE wallets without fees.
I tried a bit Xapo and it's rather good and WITHOUT FEES but of course you got no control over your money.

Greenadress seems like the best for me but it does have a fee.

Share your wallets ^^

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January 16, 2017, 01:20:01 PM
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Indeed , all wallets have fees. Services like Xapo not that they don't have fees but that they pay them for you and that's only to bring users to their platforms. I wouldn't even consider them as wallets as they don't give you control over your private keys in the first place.
I wouldn't mind using a few cents as transaction fees If I actually have control over my money while Its not the case in Xapo.

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January 16, 2017, 01:21:13 PM
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I tried a bit Xapo and it's rather good and WITHOUT FEES but of course you got no control over your money.

No wallet that give you control over your private keys/money will pay the fees for you.
End of discussion.

                                                                       
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January 16, 2017, 01:24:50 PM
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well i don't know what that user means or why he is so mad but let me explain what is going on:

when you are using a bitcoin wallet you have to pay the fees because that is how bitcoin works, you need to pay a specific amount of fee per byte for every transaction you want to send. you can send with 0 fees but miners can also decide not to include your tx in a  block.

but when you are using a third party service instead of a wallet, such as xapo or i think coinbase too, they offer special features such as no fee to attract more users. but in fact they are paying the transaction fee from their own pocket and it is just a promotion.
also when you use these services you give up control over private keys and your money to them.














 

 

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January 16, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
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Indeed , all wallets have fees. Services like Xapo not that they don't have fees but that they pay them for you and that's only to bring users to their platforms. I wouldn't even consider them as wallets as they don't give you control over your private keys in the first place.
I wouldn't mind using a few cents as transaction fees If I actually have control over my money while Its not the case in Xapo.
All online wallets have fees. But such thing as USB bitcoin wallet haven't. I use exactly this one, because I'm not so sure in an online wallet. Even if the security of online wallets and exchangers became better, there is risk to it be hacked any moment. So my choice is USB wallet.

   
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January 16, 2017, 01:27:59 PM
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Instead of saving in such wallets which dont even give you control over you private keys, better try Electrum wallet which charges reasonably. I am using it for past one year and i have not found any issues.Dont try to save a liitle and loose your entire savings.



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January 16, 2017, 01:36:40 PM
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I tried a bit Xapo and it's rather good and WITHOUT FEES but of course you got no control over your money.

No wallet that give you control over your private keys/money will pay the fees for you.
End of discussion.

Online wallets like Xapo and Coinbase offers zero fee but they never give you private key. So there is always a risk of these sites to close suddenly or hacked, and all your money store there lost. Also Bitcoin fee is not so high that you starting finding wallets with zero Fee.

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January 16, 2017, 01:39:13 PM
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This is another funny thread. If we look carefully at the post the author is telling us that there is someone who told him that there is no wallet address that has no fee. In my own understanding, it is not creating a web wallet that has a fee but it is the transactions that you do with your bitcoins using your wallet that has a fee. In simple terms wallet does not mean fee, but bitcoin transactions does.

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January 16, 2017, 01:42:54 PM
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Coibase and xapo doesnt have any fees which means you could always send you bitcoin without it but expect the confirmation times would be long compared to those who put tx fees on sending bitcoin just like other wallet like blockchain but still you could able to adjust if you like to have fees or dont have.I dont know why that person pm'ed you such word.

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January 16, 2017, 01:44:27 PM
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I did suggest in another thread that it may be useful to have a low priority pool without fees for users to consolidate micro-payments. This could speed up the processing of the main pool. The secondary pool could be used by miners to complete partial blocks, this could work, even if it took up to a week to confirm a transaction. If you don't want to wait, then pay the fee for the main pool.

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January 16, 2017, 01:52:02 PM
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Truth, there are really wallets that does not provide fees but doesn't offer much security or fast service. That's the part we need to accept in order to get something in free terms, if we are not contented on their service better pay amounts we think is acceptable based on their performance. I'm thankful to those wallet that I'm using made in our country that offers better performance in free.

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January 16, 2017, 02:00:35 PM
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All online wallets have fees. But such thing as USB bitcoin wallet haven't. I use exactly this one, because I'm not so sure in an online wallet. Even if the security of online wallets and exchangers became better, there is risk to it be hacked any moment. So my choice is USB wallet.

What are you talking about ? USB bitcoin wallets don't have any fees  Huh If by USB wallets you mean hardware wallets then they surely do have fees while sending bitcoins , It was never about the wallet , Its about the bitcoin network.

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January 16, 2017, 02:04:36 PM
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well i don't know what that user means or why he is so mad but let me explain what is going on:

when you are using a bitcoin wallet you have to pay the fees because that is how bitcoin works, you need to pay a specific amount of fee per byte for every transaction you want to send. you can send with 0 fees but miners can also decide not to include your tx in a  block.

but when you are using a third party service instead of a wallet, such as xapo or i think coinbase too, they offer special features such as no fee to attract more users. but in fact they are paying the transaction fee from their own pocket and it is just a promotion.
also when you use these services you give up control over private keys and your money to them.
I think the question begging for answer here is what is in it for the service providers that opt to pay transaction fees for their clients? I think it is a trade-off, so they can have access to the deposits and possibly invest or loan them to businesses just like conventional banks do with depositors fund. A red flag is however up there, because insurance is highly needed here to cover the depositors funds in case of default or businesses gone wrong.

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January 16, 2017, 02:18:24 PM
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well i don't know what that user means or why he is so mad but let me explain what is going on:

when you are using a bitcoin wallet you have to pay the fees because that is how bitcoin works, you need to pay a specific amount of fee per byte for every transaction you want to send. you can send with 0 fees but miners can also decide not to include your tx in a  block.

but when you are using a third party service instead of a wallet, such as xapo or i think coinbase too, they offer special features such as no fee to attract more users. but in fact they are paying the transaction fee from their own pocket and it is just a promotion.
also when you use these services you give up control over private keys and your money to them.

Good explanation, Circle also have a 0 fee in place for transactions, they still provide a bitcoin wallet service but you can no longer buy and sell bitcoin.  Agreed, that user seemed quite upset and angry at someone coming to the forum looking for advice sheesh!

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I tried a bit Xapo and it's rather good and WITHOUT FEES but of course you got no control over your money.

No wallet that give you control over your private keys/money will pay the fees for you.
End of discussion.
Yes exactly, there is always some kind of catch. IMO its really stupid to use a wallet that gives you no control over your private keys just to save some bitcoin in fees, the risk you are taking would be much greater than just some minute fees.

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January 16, 2017, 02:30:45 PM
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You gotta have serenity, patience and understanding for some users that are very rude in this forum that if they would see an slight error or misunderstanding with your post would try to shame and deprive you in the maximum effort they can accumulate by means of replying to your post or send a private message, just keep a positive approach  and try to understand them more, I  also use Xapo and I think that there are zero transaction fees to begin with but In my opinion other services have a fee on it.


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January 16, 2017, 02:42:47 PM
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All online wallets have fees. But such thing as USB bitcoin wallet haven't. I use exactly this one, because I'm not so sure in an online wallet. Even if the security of online wallets and exchangers became better, there is risk to it be hacked any moment. So my choice is USB wallet.

What are you talking about ? USB bitcoin wallets don't have any fees  Huh If by USB wallets you mean hardware wallets then they surely do have fees while sending bitcoins , It was never about the wallet , Its about the bitcoin network.
I dont know whats the exact thing on his mind regarding on USB wallet which he really mean about hardware wallets and as you said it does still needs fees to transfer bitcoin from other wallet and OP is mentioning directly on web wallets i suppose that doesnt require any fees on sending amounts.

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January 16, 2017, 02:44:39 PM
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Coinbase and Xapo cover the fees for users so newbies prefer to use them than other kinds of wallet. Well, we are all people and people love to use things which are given free. However, most of the third party wallet are not as secure as private wallets so that I never choose to use them. When you have learnt many things about Bitcoin, you will realize that holding Bitcoin for your own is always better

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January 16, 2017, 02:51:21 PM
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Coinbase and Xapo cover the fees for users so newbies prefer to use them than other kinds of wallet. Well, we are all people and people love to use things which are given free. However, most of the third party wallet are not as secure as private wallets so that I never choose to use them. When you have learnt many things about Bitcoin, you will realize that holding Bitcoin for your own is always better

Not for micro transactions.
I don't care maybe losing 10$ of btc but earning 30 cents every transactions...

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January 16, 2017, 03:05:24 PM
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If you don't have full control over your bitcoin, then you can't call it as bitcoin wallet. So, it's true that every wallet (or rather transaction) have fees.
If you don't really care about privacy, don't care about full control over your bitcoin and don't use Coinbase/Xapo service, i think that kind of service is the best of you.

I still prefer decentralized wallet such as Electrum, Bitcoin Core or Mycelium and i won't use Coinbase/Xapo again because there's no point of using bitcoin but still use third-party services.

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