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January 18, 2017, 12:28:58 AM
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Every 4 years, a US president leaves and lets a whole bunch of people out of jail by decree.  Obama let out FAR, FAR more than any other president.  Well over 1,500!  Guess who was not on the list?  That's right Ross Ulbricht of Bitcoin fame.  Since Trump isn't letting anyone out of jail unless they are his friends, Ulbricht doesn't stand a chance for another 8 years at least!  Probably 12 more years before even being considered.  That sucks.  Obama could have let him out.  One strike of the pen- he would be free.  It is over for him now.  Over. 

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January 18, 2017, 12:35:12 AM
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Nobody gives a fuck, life goes on

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Him and Snowden are stuck right where they are for now. Bummer there.
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January 18, 2017, 12:48:12 AM
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Every 4 years, a US president leaves and lets a whole bunch of people out of jail by decree.  Obama let out FAR, FAR more than any other president.  Well over 1,500!  Guess who was not on the list?  That's right Ross Ulbricht of Bitcoin fame.  Since Trump isn't letting anyone out of jail unless they are his friends, Ulbricht doesn't stand a chance for another 8 years at least!  Probably 12 more years before even being considered.  That sucks.  Obama could have let him out.  One strike of the pen- he would be free.  It is over for him now.  Over. 

Do the crime, Do the time.

While I do have empathy for his family at the end of the day he was caught.

While I do feel his sentence was horrific there ain't much anyone can do about that. that's fact.

Maybe if trump supports bitcoin things might change!
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January 18, 2017, 01:46:51 AM
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Every 4 years, a US president leaves and lets a whole bunch of people out of jail by decree.  Obama let out FAR, FAR more than any other president.  Well over 1,500!  Guess who was not on the list?  That's right Ross Ulbricht of Bitcoin fame.  Since Trump isn't letting anyone out of jail unless they are his friends, Ulbricht doesn't stand a chance for another 8 years at least!  Probably 12 more years before even being considered.  That sucks.  Obama could have let him out.  One strike of the pen- he would be free.  It is over for him now.  Over. 

Do the crime, Do the time.

While I do have empathy for his family at the end of the day he was caught.

While I do feel his sentence was horrific there ain't much anyone can do about that. that's fact.

Maybe if trump supports bitcoin things might change!

You think that Trump, the guy who is so dull headed to think as if building a physical wall across the Mexico-US border would stop Mexicans from 'bringing in drugs, committing crime, and raping people', would all the sudden be in support of some entrepreneur who failed miserably?  Does he ever have empathy for people who commit crimes (except for his personal BFF's)? More specifically, do you think he would ever show any sort of empathy for someone who didn't succeed at any sort of business, let alone, a business of 'criminal activity'?

No, I don't think that we will see that happen.

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January 18, 2017, 02:06:07 AM
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It is quite funny that most of the states are legalizing drugs (well weed and not just for medical reasons but for recreational purposes too!) yet this is what got him put in jail in the first place. Roll Eyes
I wonder if all those pot heads will have a "get out of jail free" card now that it is legal to possess it, in most states anyways.




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January 18, 2017, 02:15:01 AM
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I have no problem with the fact he set up a marketplace for drugs,
but if the allegations that he paid to have multiple people killed are true, hes probably not getting a pardon from anyone.

Then again, its hard to believe any of the charges against him when multiple federal agents stole huge sums of Bitcoins during the investigation.
Who knows what type of evidence these crooks would manufacture to cover their own crimes.
There is always the possibility that multiple people were in control of the Dread Pirate Roberts account as well (although unlikely IMO).

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January 18, 2017, 02:29:56 AM
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Too true! Cheesy
I don't think it will even create any difference to let him our or not. He's there for a reason anyway. Even if he does go back in the outside world, he'll not make an impact anymore in the bitcoin world even if he tries. I do think he is guilty anyway, he made his mistakes and that's why he ended up in jail.

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January 18, 2017, 02:32:00 AM
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It cannot be denied that the noise from medias is because of the Senator Schumer, who labeled him as a public enemy No. 1. But we can not completely exclude the hypothesis of a form of conspiracy. The fight against drugs in the United States represents a huge market. Between jails, tests, military industry, not to mention the crazy laws on the matter.

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I shed a tear for ross every night. Seriously.

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I shed a tear for ross every night. Seriously.
That's a little too gay dude.  The 'seriously' part really creeps me out.

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Ross can still beat them. It won't be easy. He'll have to determine who is harming him, and file a claim against each of them.

Richard Cornforth shows us, at http://voidjudgments.com/, the 4 things the courts must have before they can rule on anything. Richard states them with more words than necessary, partially because he is in business to make money. But here they are is simple form:
1. An accuser;
2. One being accused;
3. Real injury in the form of harm to the accuser, or damage to his property;
4. At least one witness, and evidence, that the accused did the injury.

In Ross's case, he never required an injured man or woman to step up to the stand and show the injury, and testify that Ross did it. This means that Ross can get out of it, although at this stage of the game, it will be difficult. It also means that, properly done, possibly 90% of the people in prison are their through judgments that are void, because the 4 things listed, above, were not used.

Richard says it this way: IF EVERY VOID JUDGMENT WAS VACATED WITH DAMAGES, IT WOULD REPRESENT THE GREATEST SHIFT IN MATERIAL WEALTH IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!: http://voidjudgments.com/detailsvoid.htm.

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January 18, 2017, 03:03:12 AM
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I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

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January 18, 2017, 03:21:01 AM
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Nobody gives a fuck, life goes on

Too true! Cheesy
I don't think it will even create any difference to let him our or not. He's there for a reason anyway. Even if he does go back in the outside world, he'll not make an impact anymore in the bitcoin world even if he tries. I do think he is guilty anyway, he made his mistakes and that's why he ended up in jail.

Oh you must trust the government so much you just follow what they impose on you. Why the hell are you here in Bitcoin? Right, to make fiat money. Ok.

The world's biggest corporations and governments around the world have made and are making more crimes deliberately all in the name of profit. Always remember that. Ross Ulbricht was an entrepreneur who saw a gap in the market and created one of the most brilliant market places in the history of man. He is an innovator and yet everyone here refuses to acknowledge that.


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January 18, 2017, 03:26:40 AM
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I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

B... but he did though. What kind of 'documentary' were you watching?  If you want to read up a little bit about Ross, I went ahead and searched the interwebz for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht

It cannot be denied that the noise from medias is because of the Senator Schumer, who labeled him as a public enemy No. 1. But we can not completely exclude the hypothesis of a form of conspiracy. The fight against drugs in the United States represents a huge market. Between jails, tests, military industry, not to mention the crazy laws on the matter.

Set aside the incentive for politicians needing to please private jail backers... there is definitely an incentive, especially for business man Trump, to be able to create jobs.  Anything that ramps up demand for workers, which also includes people who "enforce the law", is going to be priority #1 because that's been one of his major talking points; the ability to create new jobs. So you can bet that Trump will be OK with keeping the laws as is in order to keep the demand for a work force while probably trying to incarcerate more people in the process.


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January 18, 2017, 06:12:29 AM
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The guy caused a major embarrassment for the American government. He might not have been the King Pin, but his involvement was proven. Why do you sympathize with people who created a platform for people to commit crimes? Drugs destroy families and lives, why should we feel sorry for him?

Yes, they might have made an example of him with the harsh jail time given to him, but that is no reason to give a pardon. C'mon people, be honest for a moment. Would you pardon him?

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January 18, 2017, 06:17:16 AM
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I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

He did do something he "ran / administrated / controlled / profited" from a criminal venture.

While I don't for one min think he acted alone building and running the slk road so at the end of they day he was the one who was caught in the act.
And who knows when your in control of something that had so much financial value that could send someone a little paranoid and do things out of character, But I do agree there could of been a big emphasis by the cops to fabricate the info that he was planning to have people killed to make him look like some kind of kingpin

will we ever know the truth.. Highly doubtful.


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January 18, 2017, 12:28:29 PM
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Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.

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January 18, 2017, 02:47:38 PM
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I recently watched the documentary and it is really sad that this guy has to stay in jail for something he didn't do.

What are you talking about? He ran silk road and help distribute illicit drugs. He should have know that was the CIA territory. Now he's doing time learning the hard way.

It doesn't matter anyhow. No one cares and life goes on. Plenty of "silk roads" out there.
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January 18, 2017, 09:58:37 PM
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Well Ross made a crime and he should suffer in jail. Its not the presidents of America why he is in jail, it is his own actions that led him to be placed in jail. If he did not make any illegal and illicit activities then he would be in jail in the first place. Also maybe the reason why he was not given a presidential pardon was he did not play as a good man in the penitentiary.
It's not about him being a good boy or not. When you are sentenced for life you can be the nicest inmate in the world and it won't matter.
IMO his sentence should be reduced. Yes, he did something illegal, but he hasn't killed anyone, he just created a market site. Killers and rapists are usually sentenced for 5-10 years. I've seen pedophile murderers, who raped and killed a child, sentenced only to 25 years, and this guy gets life? This has nothing to do with justice.


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