theymos stance on extortion/blackmail by staff

[gorgon666]

How does theymos feel about staff members blackmailing/extorting members of the forum?

I ask because there have been at least two instances of bitcointalk staff member Lauda admitting to blackmailing forum members.

First admission, and second admission.

Somehow the thread from the 2nd time Lauda admitted to blackmailing a member was taken down, so here is an archive of the original post of the thread.

If this is unacceptable behavior then please take swift, immediate action against Lauda's position.

If this is acceptable behavior then please update the rules to say that blackmail is allowed!

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[unamis76]

There's already a thread on the subject.

[gorgon666]

There's already a thread on the subject.

1 that thread was locked and moved to archival
2 multiple people said that the offender would receive negative feedback which has not taken place
3 this thread is specifically about staff member, not regular members getting banned.

[whothefuckareyou]

It looks like they are trying to delete the evidence. The threads created the same day and all deleted on same day. Why? Did Zeroxal pay?

Extortion Team Known Members:

1. Lauda - MasterMind / Ring Leader of Extortion Team


2. TMAN -  Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759934.0


3. minifrij -  Thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759631.0


Victim:

Zeroxal  Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759607.0

[minifrij]

It looks like they are trying to delete the evidence.

How did you come to that conclusion? Lauda still even has their post available where they admit to it.

Why? Did Zeroxal pay?

No, we all decided to take down our threads (at least temporarily) in order to try and negotiate with each other.

3. minifrij -  Thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759631.0

I wasn't a part of the extortion; I would have made my thread regardless of whether Lauda had sent the message. The threads are made at the same time due to all evidence being gathered (and seen by me) at that time.
If nothing is done about the subject my thread was about I will be remaking it in due time.

[Quickseller]

Why? Did Zeroxal pay?

No, we all decided to take down our threads (at least temporarily) in order to try and negotiate with each other.

3. minifrij -  Thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759631.0

I wasn't a part of the extortion; I would have made my thread regardless of whether Lauda had sent the message.

These two statements are contradictory to each-other

try and negotiate with each other.

Negotiate what exactly

I am also interested in finding out theymos' explanation as to why Lauda is still a moderator after explicitly admitting to attempting to extort someone.

[minifrij]

These two statements are contradictory to each-other

No, they aren't. Once the threads were made tman and Zeroxal exchanged messages and decided that a mutual removal of the threads should be done while they negotiated on how to resolve the situation. While I am not part of the team who pulled off the extortion, I have contact with everyone involved and so was asked to remove my thread as part of the deal (I expect because it was assumed, as you are showing, that I was part of the group pulling off the extortion).
As I have said openly to both you and Zeroxal, regardless of the outcome I will be reposting my thread if no action is taken on what I brought up in it. Currently, I see no reason to have that thread active so that people such as yourself can create unnecessary drama whilst a compromise is trying to be made.

Negotiate what exactly

See the above. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with that emoticon, so I will add one too for good measure.

I am also interested in finding out theymos' explanation as to why Lauda is still a moderator after explicitly admitting to attempting to extort someone.

The case would likely be reviewed faster if you and your puppets would stick to one thread.

[FFrankie]

These two statements are contradictory to each-other

No, they aren't. Once the threads were made tman and Zeroxal exchanged messages and decided that a mutual removal of the threads should be done while they negotiated on how to resolve the situation. While I am not part of the team who pulled off the extortion, I have contact with everyone involved and so was asked to remove my thread as part of the deal (I expect because it was assumed, as you are showing, that I was part of the group pulling off the extortion).
As I have said openly to both you and Zeroxal, regardless of the outcome I will be reposting my thread if no action is taken on what I brought up in it. Currently, I see no reason to have that thread active so that people such as yourself can create unnecessary drama whilst a compromise is trying to be made.

Negotiate what exactly

See the above. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with that emoticon, so I will add one too for good measure.

I am also interested in finding out theymos' explanation as to why Lauda is still a moderator after explicitly admitting to attempting to extort someone.

The case would likely be reviewed faster if you and your puppets would stick to one thread.

I do not see how extorting someone will lead you to gain more information about them BUT isnt the CIA/FBI/DEA one of the largest illegal drug smuggler's of all time? and they do it in order to get more information about the market.

so this would kind of be the same thing right?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Quickseller keeps missing the STING OPERATION part of this whole discussion.   Why am I not surprised.

[Quickseller]

isnt the CIA/FBI/DEA one of the largest illegal drug smuggler's of all time? and they do it in order to get more information about the market.

so this would kind of be the same thing right?

no

Law enforcement selling drugs has no specific victim (other than society), and it would be unlikely that information gained by law enforcement selling drugs about illegal activity would be able to be gathered any other way.

OTOH, Lauda extorting forum members has a specific victim, and no information would be gathered as a result of a successful extortion attempt, as paying an extortion payment is not an indication of guilt.

[Quickseller]

These two statements are contradictory to each-other

tman and Zeroxal [...] decided that a mutual removal of the threads [...] while they negotiated on how to resolve the situation. [...] and so was asked to remove my thread as part of the deal

It sounds a lot like you are attempting to hold the risk of getting banned (and the potential to not be able to conduct further business here) over zeroaxl's head to me.

In additional to the fact that people are generally not banned for behavior that breaks the rules that only comes to light as part of an extortion attempt, that you yourself called "silly unprofitable", undiscovered ban evasions are generally not acted upon when they come to light when the person has been here for a long time undetected and not caused any other major forum related problems. So one way or another I would predict that zeroaxl will not get banned for ban evasion.

(Sorry for incrementally reducing the chances of you getting paid -- assuming of course payment has not already been made -- and also wondering how you would be able to authoritatively say that payment has not been made if you were not participating in the extortion personally )

Why? Did Zeroxal pay?

No, [...]

[minifrij]

It sounds a lot like you are attempting to hold the risk of getting banned (and the potential to not be able to conduct further business here) over zeroaxl's head to me.

If the Staff think that I should be banned then they should ban me. However, I trust them to be impartial and not immediately jump to the conclusion that I was involved.

In additional to the fact that people are generally not banned for behavior that breaks the rules that only comes to light as part of an extortion attempt, that you yourself called "silly unprofitable", undiscovered ban evasions are generally not acted upon when they come to light when the person has been here for a long time undetected and not caused any other major forum related problems. So one way or another I would predict that zeroaxl will not get banned for ban evasion.

I don't care; I will be remaking the thread regardless.

Sorry for incrementally reducing the chances of you getting paid -- assuming of course payment has not already been made

Congratulations, you reduced 0 to 0.

and also wondering how you would be able to authoritatively say that payment has not been made if you were not participating in the extortion personally )

You misunderstood why I was using that quote. He asked why the threads were removed and asked if it was due to Zeroxal paying. In the case of my thread, as it is the only one I can comment on while knowing 100% why, this wasn't the case.
I have no idea if Zeroxal paid, however by Zeroxal's behaviour I would guess that this isn't the case.

[Zeroxal]

I can assure that not a single satoshi has been paid to the extortion attempt. Everything has been discussed privately using slack and we decided to put down the threads for the time being. Lauda has been doing a great job regarding this matter, I have brought him evidence of me not being guilty of possessing illegal funds. I do think this case has been settled, but many others are not the same opinion. I kindly ask what still needs to be "investigated".

[whothefuckareyou]

I can assure that not a single satoshi has been paid to the extortion attempt. Everything has been discussed privately using slack and we decided to put down the threads for the time being. Lauda has been doing a great job regarding this matter, I have brought him evidence of me not being guilty of possessing illegal funds. I do think this case has been settled, but many others are not the same opinion. I kindly ask what still needs to be "investigated".

You are saying Lauda and his cohorts attempted to extort an innocent victim under the guise of "sting operation". They even called your mother. After you presented evidence of your innocence. They deleted the threads knowing they did something wrong. Is that right?

[minifrij]

After you presented evidence of your innocence. They deleted the threads knowing they did something wrong.

No, this is the other way around. We were asked to remove the threads in order for him to try and prove innocence.

[whothefuckareyou]

After you presented evidence of your innocence. They deleted the threads knowing they did something wrong.

No, this is the other way around. We were asked to remove the threads in order for him to try and prove innocence.

Before you and your group tried to extort the victim Zeroxal. You have strong evidence of his involvement of a crime that compiled you to do a sting operation on him. But after his request to you, You and your group deleted the evidence/threads right away just like that. Is that right? He can't prove with the threads on?  I can say you and your group doing very shady behavior. I know many rich police in my city doing exactly like this.

[minifrij]

Before you and your group tried to extort the victim Zeroxal.

You seem to be very confused. Here's a timeline:
-The extortion happened,
-The threads were made,
-The threads were removed,
-Zeroxal and tman began talks.

I also wasn't involved in the extortion. You seem to be missing that.

You have strong evidence of his involvement of a crime that compiled you to do a sting operation on him. But after his request to you, You and your group deleted the evidence/threads right away just like that. Is that right?

I'm not the best person to ask about this; I just did as I was asked.

[0x0010]

Or maybe you should stop being a snitch cunt

Half the btc you have was probably possessed by someone who scammed or hacked or got them illegally. Stop "extorting" Zeroxal and mind your god damn business. Like I said before, if he really is guilty then he will be caught eventually. If not, whatever.

[Zeroxal]

I can assure that not a single satoshi has been paid to the extortion attempt. Everything has been discussed privately using slack and we decided to put down the threads for the time being. Lauda has been doing a great job regarding this matter, I have brought him evidence of me not being guilty of possessing illegal funds. I do think this case has been settled, but many others are not the same opinion. I kindly ask what still needs to be "investigated".

You are saying Lauda and his cohorts attempted to extort an innocent victim under the guise of "sting operation". They even called your mother. After you presented evidence of your innocence. They deleted the threads knowing they did something wrong. Is that right?

No, lauda did not call my mother. That's a whole another story

Before you and your group tried to extort the victim Zeroxal.

You seem to be very confused. Here's a timeline:
-The extortion happened,
-The threads were made,
-The threads were removed,
-Zeroxal and tman began talks.

I also wasn't involved in the extortion. You seem to be missing that.

I can confirm the above. Please read through the whole story before you direct the fire to minifrij.

[whothefuckareyou]

I can assure that not a single satoshi has been paid to the extortion attempt. Everything has been discussed privately using slack and we decided to put down the threads for the time being. Lauda has been doing a great job regarding this matter, I have brought him evidence of me not being guilty of possessing illegal funds. I do think this case has been settled, but many others are not the same opinion. I kindly ask what still needs to be "investigated".

You are saying Lauda and his cohorts attempted to extort an innocent victim under the guise of "sting operation". They even called your mother. After you presented evidence of your innocence. They deleted the threads knowing they did something wrong. Is that right?

No, lauda did not call my mother. That's a whole another story

Before you and your group tried to extort the victim Zeroxal.

You seem to be very confused. Here's a timeline:
-The extortion happened,
-The threads were made,
-The threads were removed,
-Zeroxal and tman began talks.

I also wasn't involved in the extortion. You seem to be missing that.

I can confirm the above. Please read through the whole story before you direct the fire to minifrij.

It was TMAN who called your mother right? TMAN and minifrij are part of the extortion team this is not a different story. They will do what Lauda tells them to do.

I'm not the best person to ask about this; I just did as I was asked.