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January 28, 2017, 08:40:33 PM
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First of all you don't have to quote last post every time you write something. It's obvious that a post without quotes is referring to the one above it.

I quote because if I dont they dont get notified of the reply, if they have that enabled in the forum settings.



I agree that the pension system is stupid, mainly because of 2 reasons:
1. It's involuntary, so the money for your pension is deducted from your wage whether you want it or not. This is against the principles of democracy, because you should have the right to decide whether you want to receive pension or not.
2. If you die young the money you've paid on your pension are lost.
3. You get out more than you pay in, which means it's a deficit system

4. You have to have new workers joining the labor force to pay out the old guys who have higher and higher life expectancy, which means it's a ponzi scheme

5. There isn't actually any funds in the pension fund, it's not like it's a segregated fund that is managed by a fund manager. It's just a tax that you pay in, which money goes into the treasury of the government, and the money they pay out gets paid directly from taxes. (It's just another excuse to pay people.)

6. For every 1$ paid into the "pension fund", a pensioner might only get 0.5$ worth of pensions, because there is an overhead cost, to pay out bureaucrats and so on.



In short, it's a disaster, and it will collapse society with it. It's unpayable, and it distorts the economy heavily.

I suppose you understand my arguments, because not everyone in this forum is capable of understanding rational arguments.

99% of people here are just too emotional, or arguing from emotions, instead of looking at the cold hard facts.


Are you living in a communist country?

In capitalist countries the pensionsystem dont work like this.

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January 28, 2017, 08:41:29 PM
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Put another way, American taxpayers give Israel $9.8 million per day (in 2016).

That is to stop the crazy terrorists from the middle east, I think that is one of the best spent tax money out of the entire budget. Besides I like Israel, it's the only civilized part of the middle east, the rest of it is filled with middle age barbarism and violance.

Most tax money is usually spent on crazy things like:  huge pensions and bonuses for bureaucrats, wealth redistribution schemes, and the rest of it.

I would like to see a cut on spending of 90%, that would free up some capital that has been kept locked for some time.




If everyone has a business then who are the masses to sell too?..
Millions upon millions will also sell the same as you in your own country..

Now to invent something then sell it is another argument?..It's very hard to invent something..
Because if it was so easy we would all be inventors..Yes we would.

Because most people do try to think of something to invent so we can become RICH..
To invent something everyone wants is one thing HUMANS do try to do?..
But many fail..

But that's life so do we just kill the rest who cannot think of a business?..

Also does MONKEY BUSINESS COUNT?..It is a business?..

Businesses can sell between eachother, and you still consume as a person beyond your business. It would be a much better world if everyone were a businessperson, and would trade between themselves.

If you cant think of a business idea, you just sell yourself as a private contractor for a business. It's that simple.

Everyone would have an income, and we dont need this basic income communist bullshit, that I have been seeing on this forum from quite some time now.


This Resource Based Economy Communist nightmare  Huh
Put this person in as president ..
He can sort all the problems of the world by showing everyone how to run a successful business..

I VOTE THIS GUY FOR PRESIDENT..

Now any chance you could send me a PM with my business please i cannot wait to start..
Ok i just bought a new suit and tie ..Now don't forget to send me my business..
OH i forgot to mention i am skint no money..So will you also send us some money please..For travel Wink..
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January 28, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
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I will show you how to make money Wink..

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Francis Ngannou to win..

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January 28, 2017, 09:15:32 PM
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Put another way, American taxpayers give Israel $9.8 million per day (in 2016).

That is to stop the crazy terrorists from the middle east, I think that is one of the best spent tax money out of the entire budget. Besides I like Israel, it's the only civilized part of the middle east, the rest of it is filled with middle age barbarism and violance.

Most tax money is usually spent on crazy things like:  huge pensions and bonuses for bureaucrats, wealth redistribution schemes, and the rest of it.

I would like to see a cut on spending of 90%, that would free up some capital that has been kept locked for some time.




If everyone has a business then who are the masses to sell too?..
Millions upon millions will also sell the same as you in your own country..

Now to invent something then sell it is another argument?..It's very hard to invent something..
Because if it was so easy we would all be inventors..Yes we would.

Because most people do try to think of something to invent so we can become RICH..
To invent something everyone wants is one thing HUMANS do try to do?..
But many fail..

But that's life so do we just kill the rest who cannot think of a business?..

Also does MONKEY BUSINESS COUNT?..It is a business?..

Businesses can sell between eachother, and you still consume as a person beyond your business. It would be a much better world if everyone were a businessperson, and would trade between themselves.

If you cant think of a business idea, you just sell yourself as a private contractor for a business. It's that simple.

Everyone would have an income, and we dont need this basic income communist bullshit, that I have been seeing on this forum from quite some time now.


This Resource Based Economy Communist nightmare  Huh
Besides I like Israel,..Me too..But the whole argument is about sending money to other nations..
You know like saying why should our country pay for another country?..

Now for the fact no birth control more people will be attacking Israel in the future ..
So you will be sending more money to compensate for the more children who will attack..

Also why don't people just say there jewish  Huh..
If i lived in the middle east and had a choice Hmm hav Huh a nice life over that wall or live in this shit
i would become a jew.. Cheesy Cheesy..Are you jewish YES now give us me fucking money Cheesy Cheesy..

I mean some of the jews look more ARAB like than some of the Palestinian people..
Who the fuck would know..

Anyone can pretend to be into another religion..So what ever is the best religion that gives the best use your thick sculls and go along with it..

Look what happened to the guy when he pretended to be into another religion..
george soros..He done well
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January 29, 2017, 02:56:57 AM
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I will show you how to make money Wink..

Andrei Arlovski vs Francis Ngannou

Francis Ngannou to win..

VALENTINA SHEVCHENKO  V  JULIANNA PENA

VALENTINA SHEVCHENKO to win..


WIN double Francis Ngannou and VALENTINA SHEVCHENKO..

You will double your money  Grin..

They fight after in DENVER USA..Go bet your BTC..

UFC TONIGHT..



I hope you listened to popcorn Wink..SHOW ME THE MONEY BABY Cheesy..THAT'S HOW YOU MAKE MONEY..

WIN WIN WIN Grin..YES THEY BOTH WON..
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January 29, 2017, 07:54:04 AM
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Are you living in a communist country?

In capitalist countries the pensionsystem dont work like this.

Of course they do, all pension systems are run like this. Read the documents especially how they work in the eu.

Its something like 30% paid by the employer, 30% by you, and 30% by the taxes, or something liek that, I dont know exactly.

But it is a deficit system that is for sure, more money goes out than it goes in, and the debt is accumulating exponentially.

Even if there is some "fund" that is managed, they only buy bonds with it, and negative yielding bonds in the EU are not very good isnt it?

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I am against the ban of abortion. Firstly to have an abortion or not is a private matter women. What right anyone has the right to dispose of the fate and health of women? Secondly, if it had not been forbidden to do abortion then maybe this clown Trump was not

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January 29, 2017, 11:56:41 AM
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Well, for starters it's more expensive to support and educate a kid up to 16 yo than an old fart for 50 years. The early ages of a person is when more resources are needy.
Then, Social Security is a ponzi scheme, no doubt about it, however you're missing the nature of money, and money is actually nothing. You see central banks buying most of bonds, meaning the issuer is taking debt on what itself somewhat "produces", but they do this to prevent devaluation for a while. Unlike bitcoin, that is controlled by the whole community and has a supply celling, money issuing is controlled by a few and has no limit on it. The whole attempt of money is to represent and limit resources access. And it isn't linear;
"oh, but with 1 million euro you can buy 1 ton of gold (assuming 1Kg of Gold is 1000€)"... Surprise! You don't! As you start buying the price will go up as the physical resource is being depleted more and more of your virtual resource will be needed to buy it. The same will happen for whatever limited resource you may try to get with your virtual money.
So don't get too much attached to money, you'll miss the big picture. The contribution to the system isn't so much about deficit I/O, but to prevent it from giving money for nothing, giving money for nothing will make a society to self-destruct with so many lazy people as well as devalue the currency to zero.

Back on topic;

I understand abortion for medical issues, it's senseless to put the woman life to risk, rape or severe formation issues with the baby. On demand, just until it isn't a viable baby, pass this point is plain murder.
But again, how is it set to be a women decision? What data provides us that figure? How about external pressure - social, family, the father of the child - to abort? Is it still a "woman's choice"'? Or is it just convenient to pass it that way?

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January 29, 2017, 12:24:36 PM
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The policy enforces a ban on providing federal money to international groups that perform abortions or promote the option.

What is the fuss. All Trump has done is stopped Americans' taxpayers from being forced to fund abortions or promote outside the USA.

Has abortions been made illegal in the USA? AFAIK it hasn't.
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The policy enforces a ban on providing federal money to international groups that perform abortions or promote the option.

What is the fuss. All Trump has done is stopped Americans' taxpayers from being forced to fund abortions or promote outside the USA.

Has abortions been made illegal in the USA? AFAIK it hasn't.
This has not happened yet, but Trump is openly throwing a challenge to the entire society. This old clown wants to show that he doesn't care about public opinion around the world and he will do whatever he wants.
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January 29, 2017, 01:26:50 PM
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The policy enforces a ban on providing federal money to international groups that perform abortions or promote the option.

What is the fuss. All Trump has done is stopped Americans' taxpayers from being forced to fund abortions or promote outside the USA.

Has abortions been made illegal in the USA? AFAIK it hasn't.

It is complex. For example, there is an NGO which provides free medical care to poor rural people in Tanzania. It also performs abortions, if the women can't afford to go to the private hospitals to perform them. It will be unfair to stop all the funding to this NGO, given that only a small part is used to perform abortions.

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The policy enforces a ban on providing federal money to international groups that perform abortions or promote the option.

What is the fuss. All Trump has done is stopped Americans' taxpayers from being forced to fund abortions or promote outside the USA.

Has abortions been made illegal in the USA? AFAIK it hasn't.

It is complex. For example, there is an NGO which provides free medical care to poor rural people in Tanzania. It also performs abortions, if the women can't afford to go to the private hospitals to perform them. It will be unfair to stop all the funding to this NGO, given that only a small part is used to perform abortions.

On the other hand, if abortion isn't necessary to save the life of the mother, abortion is murder. Why should people be forced to pay for the murder of other people?

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Well, for starters it's more expensive to support and educate a kid up to 16 yo than an old fart for 50 years. The early ages of a person is when more resources are needy.
Then, Social Security is a ponzi scheme, no doubt about it, however you're missing the nature of money, and money is actually nothing. You see central banks buying most of bonds, meaning the issuer is taking debt on what itself somewhat "produces", but they do this to prevent devaluation for a while. Unlike bitcoin, that is controlled by the whole community and has a supply celling, money issuing is controlled by a few and has no limit on it. The whole attempt of money is to represent and limit resources access. And it isn't linear;
"oh, but with 1 million euro you can buy 1 ton of gold (assuming 1Kg of Gold is 1000€)"... Surprise! You don't! As you start buying the price will go up as the physical resource is being depleted more and more of your virtual resource will be needed to buy it. The same will happen for whatever limited resource you may try to get with your virtual money.
So don't get too much attached to money, you'll miss the big picture. The contribution to the system isn't so much about deficit I/O, but to prevent it from giving money for nothing, giving money for nothing will make a society to self-destruct with so many lazy people as well as devalue the currency to zero.

Back on topic;

I understand abortion for medical issues, it's senseless to put the woman life to risk, rape or severe formation issues with the baby. On demand, just until it isn't a viable baby, pass this point is plain murder.
But again, how is it set to be a women decision? What data provides us that figure? How about external pressure - social, family, the father of the child - to abort? Is it still a "woman's choice"'? Or is it just convenient to pass it that way?

I suppose you were addressing my posts, so please quote me next time.

1) No, it's most expensive to educate people in government schools, however if they were going to private schools, it would be more cost effective

EX: Not learning biology and other useless subjects when you will become a car mechanic anyway. Efficient learning is cheaper, and more productive later on to society.


2) Even if a child is more expensive to raise, he still has the whole life of him to ROI. In other words, if you raise a kid for 16 years, and at 16 he cames up with a revolutionary idea, and becomes a millionaire, then that is very good for you as a parent, because you know that your golden ages will be secured by your kids' money.

EX: Like how Vitalik invented Ethereum as a young guy, he made a lot of money, and his parent are probably satisfied with him.


3) An old person doesnt really generate any more ROI, because his best ages are behind him, however if he would have been a good investor, he would already be rich by then.





You know I am not against old people. I just dont like leftists, and leftist economics.

The way society would work is, that by the time you get to retire, you should be rich enough to support your own late ages, without having to rely on pensions.

I actually want people to succeed in life, but the guy above you probably just thinks that I am an evil person that doesnt care about old people, whereas I actually want old people to be rich.


Tell me something ,do old people really like to live on pensions? I doubt it. But what the fuck have they done all their lives that they dont have money? Where is the fruit of their labor of their entire life? What do they leave behind to society?

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Well, for starters it's more expensive to support and educate a kid up to 16 yo than an old fart for 50 years. The early ages of a person is when more resources are needy.
Then, Social Security is a ponzi scheme, no doubt about it, however you're missing the nature of money, and money is actually nothing. You see central banks buying most of bonds, meaning the issuer is taking debt on what itself somewhat "produces", but they do this to prevent devaluation for a while. Unlike bitcoin, that is controlled by the whole community and has a supply celling, money issuing is controlled by a few and has no limit on it. The whole attempt of money is to represent and limit resources access. And it isn't linear;
"oh, but with 1 million euro you can buy 1 ton of gold (assuming 1Kg of Gold is 1000€)"... Surprise! You don't! As you start buying the price will go up as the physical resource is being depleted more and more of your virtual resource will be needed to buy it. The same will happen for whatever limited resource you may try to get with your virtual money.
So don't get too much attached to money, you'll miss the big picture. The contribution to the system isn't so much about deficit I/O, but to prevent it from giving money for nothing, giving money for nothing will make a society to self-destruct with so many lazy people as well as devalue the currency to zero.

Back on topic;

I understand abortion for medical issues, it's senseless to put the woman life to risk, rape or severe formation issues with the baby. On demand, just until it isn't a viable baby, pass this point is plain murder.
But again, how is it set to be a women decision? What data provides us that figure? How about external pressure - social, family, the father of the child - to abort? Is it still a "woman's choice"'? Or is it just convenient to pass it that way?

I suppose you were addressing my posts, so please quote me next time.

1) No, it's most expensive to educate people in government schools, however if they were going to private schools, it would be more cost effective

EX: Not learning biology and other useless subjects when you will become a car mechanic anyway. Efficient learning is cheaper, and more productive later on to society.


2) Even if a child is more expensive to raise, he still has the whole life of him to ROI. In other words, if you raise a kid for 16 years, and at 16 he cames up with a revolutionary idea, and becomes a millionaire, then that is very good for you as a parent, because you know that your golden ages will be secured by your kids' money.

EX: Like how Vitalik invented Ethereum as a young guy, he made a lot of money, and his parent are probably satisfied with him.


3) An old person doesnt really generate any more ROI, because his best ages are behind him, however if he would have been a good investor, he would already be rich by then.





You know I am not against old people. I just dont like leftists, and leftist economics.

The way society would work is, that by the time you get to retire, you should be rich enough to support your own late ages, without having to rely on pensions.

I actually want people to succeed in life, but the guy above you probably just thinks that I am an evil person that doesnt care about old people, whereas I actually want old people to be rich.


Tell me something ,do old people really like to live on pensions? I doubt it. But what the fuck have they done all their lives that they dont have money? Where is the fruit of their labor of their entire life? What do they leave behind to society?
What planet do you come from?

do old people really like to live on pensions?..YES THEY DO..They been saving up for their pension so they don't have to work anymore..Because their bones hurt from all the work they have been doing over a life time..

I wonder if your parents paid for your upbringing?..Did you make it by your self?..

Because someone from the real world would never speak the way you do  Wink..
And yes you are attacking the old..Everybody can set up a business and make millions Cheesy..No they cannot.   
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Free money will help everybody not just the few Wink..I have been battling with my words to get this into action..

Scotland set to pilot universal basic income scheme in Fife and ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › Home News
2 Jan 2017 - A radical scheme to give every citizen a universal basic income (UBI), ... Labour-run Glasgow and Fife councils are designing trial schemes following meetings held late last year. ... Any money earned above this is subject to taxation. .... believes we must free ourselves of the notion that everyone has to work..

And if it works wales will be rolling it out..

Finland is the first major country to trial giving free money to citizens
mashable.com/2017/01/03/finland-basic-income-unemployed/
3 Jan 2017 - Finland is offering free money to some citizens as part of an experiment aimed at cutting government red tape, reducing poverty and boosting .

It's looking really good..Crime rate down save on police money.. healthy people less on hospital bills..

Less public workers clogging the system up..And wages rise because people can choose the job they want..
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And those who can't afford/want to pay for private schools in time will let you know the whole price of ignorance.
Just study a bit of History, it's there to prevent the same old mistakes to surface again...

About the free money, it will slowly burn down the economy. When they get their economy to be totally worthless they will know the exact price of "free" also.

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The policy enforces a ban on providing federal money to international groups that perform abortions or promote the option.

What is the fuss. All Trump has done is stopped Americans' taxpayers from being forced to fund abortions or promote outside the USA.

Has abortions been made illegal in the USA? AFAIK it hasn't.

It is complex. For example, there is an NGO which provides free medical care to poor rural people in Tanzania. It also performs abortions, if the women can't afford to go to the private hospitals to perform them. It will be unfair to stop all the funding to this NGO, given that only a small part is used to perform abortions.

Is Tanzania a state of USA? Why should the USA taxpayers pay for this? People should try and keep their legs close.
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Are you living in a communist country?

In capitalist countries the pensionsystem dont work like this.

Of course they do, all pension systems are run like this. Read the documents especially how they work in the eu.

Its something like 30% paid by the employer, 30% by you, and 30% by the taxes, or something liek that, I dont know exactly.

But it is a deficit system that is for sure, more money goes out than it goes in, and the debt is accumulating exponentially.

Even if there is some "fund" that is managed, they only buy bonds with it, and negative yielding bonds in the EU are not very good isnt it?

Im pretty sure what you describe are statepensions which isnt the same as private pensions.

The reason for statepensions is just that a lot of people arent either smart enough to safe money for the old age or they dont earn enough to pay for a private pension.

The last point is not correct. Pension funds usually invest in extreme safe assets like german bonds which gives usually <<2% yield.

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And even statepensions are making profit.
Look at germany: the german statepensions have around 1 billion € profit per year since the last changes in 2010 (not exactly sure about the year).



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Is Tanzania a state of USA? Why should the USA taxpayers pay for this? People should try and keep their legs close.

Most of the super-powers (including the United States, Russia and China) provide grants and loans to various third world nation. In return, these third world nations support the superpowers during UN voting of various resolutions and measures.

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What planet do you come from?

do old people really like to live on pensions?..YES THEY DO..They been saving up for their pension so they don't have to work anymore..Because their bones hurt from all the work they have been doing over a life time..

I wonder if your parents paid for your upbringing?..Did you make it by your self?..

Because someone from the real world would never speak the way you do  Wink..
And yes you are attacking the old..Everybody can set up a business and make millions Cheesy..No they cannot.   

You are too stupid to argue with. And you havent even read my post, nor do you understand it.



Im pretty sure what you describe are statepensions which isnt the same as private pensions.

The reason for statepensions is just that a lot of people arent either smart enough to safe money for the old age or they dont earn enough to pay for a private pension.

The last point is not correct. Pension funds usually invest in extreme safe assets like german bonds which gives usually <<2% yield.

/edit

And even statepensions are making profit.
Look at germany: the german statepensions have around 1 billion € profit per year since the last changes in 2010 (not exactly sure about the year).



Yes I am talking about state pensions. Most pensioners have state pensions.

Or if they have private pensions, guess what , they will be bailed in, and added to the state pension anyway.

So I would not pay into a private pension, only to find out that my money will be stolen in the next banking crisis. Fuck that.

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