Sweatshops in a realistic light.

[JA37]

Anyone who can be bothered to say that people working want to or enjoy doing so

has never work a fucking day in their entire life. that is all

Huh? I have several friends who can stop working TODAY if they chose to. They would have enough money to sustain them comfortably until they die. They all work because they enjoy it.
I'm not quite there yet, but I'm working on it. 

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[myrkul]

Anyone who can be bothered to say that people working want to or enjoy doing so

has never work a fucking day in their entire life. that is all

Huh? I have several friends who can stop working TODAY if they chose to. They would have enough money to sustain them comfortably until they die. They all work because they enjoy it.
I'm not quite there yet, but I'm working on it. 

I'm with you on this one. Jobs suck. Careers are AWESOME.

[LastBattle]

Anyone who can be bothered to say that people working want to or enjoy doing so

has never work a fucking day in their entire life. that is all

Huh? I have several friends who can stop working TODAY if they chose to. They would have enough money to sustain them comfortably until they die. They all work because they enjoy it.
I'm not quite there yet, but I'm working on it. 

Are they flipping burgers at McDonalds?

[AyeYo]

See, there is a reason I am referring to New Hampshire specifically, as opposed to "Free market states".

Yes, obviously you've selected the one example that appears to be doing well.  Why would you select any of the other libertarian leaning states that are all doing horribly?  That wouldn't bode well for your position.

[Anonymous]

See, there is a reason I am referring to New Hampshire specifically, as opposed to "Free market states".

Yes, obviously you've selected the one example that appears to be doing well.  Why would you select any of the other libertarian leaning states that are all doing horribly?  That wouldn't bode well for your position.

Uh, there aren't any other libertarian-leaning states to speak of.

[myrkul]

See, there is a reason I am referring to New Hampshire specifically, as opposed to "Free market states".

Yes, obviously you've selected the one example that appears to be doing well.  Why would you select any of the other libertarian leaning states that are all doing horribly?  That wouldn't bode well for your position.

Uh, there aren't any other libertarian-leaning states to speak of.

Alaska, Wyoming, and Texas were all considered before NH was eventually picked.

[Anonymous]

See, there is a reason I am referring to New Hampshire specifically, as opposed to "Free market states".

Yes, obviously you've selected the one example that appears to be doing well.  Why would you select any of the other libertarian leaning states that are all doing horribly?  That wouldn't bode well for your position.

Uh, there aren't any other libertarian-leaning states to speak of.

Alaska, Wyoming, and Texas were all considered before NH was eventually picked.

Ew. Compared to how New Hampshire is now, they wouldn't even cross my mind. Heck, I live in Texas.

[myrkul]

See, there is a reason I am referring to New Hampshire specifically, as opposed to "Free market states".

Yes, obviously you've selected the one example that appears to be doing well.  Why would you select any of the other libertarian leaning states that are all doing horribly?  That wouldn't bode well for your position.

Uh, there aren't any other libertarian-leaning states to speak of.

Alaska, Wyoming, and Texas were all considered before NH was eventually picked.

Ew. Compared to how New Hampshire is now, they wouldn't even cross my mind. Heck, I live in Texas.

Well, NH was picked for a reason.

[JA37]

Anyone who can be bothered to say that people working want to or enjoy doing so

has never work a fucking day in their entire life. that is all

Huh? I have several friends who can stop working TODAY if they chose to. They would have enough money to sustain them comfortably until they die. They all work because they enjoy it.
I'm not quite there yet, but I'm working on it. 

Are they flipping burgers at McDonalds?

No.

[Babylon]

As I've already said, LOTS of bitching and whining about what you're "forced" into... but you're still here, voluntarily. 

Where is here?

Also, didn't we already cover this? The government doesn't have claim to our land. Additionally, where else is there to go? Please, point me to a place that has no government and I will head there immediately.

Also, your logic is failtastic. By the same logic, the Ukrainians are to blame for being killed by the Soviets, the middle class in Cambodia is to blame for not leaving the country, the Jews in Germany are to blame for not leaving Germany, etc.

I ask again. Where is the consistency?

Those other situations are not comparable.  You can figure out why all by yourself (hint: it's really obvious),  I'm not your history teacher.

This isn't YOUR land.  This is the land of the people (ALL the people) of the United States of America.

Where you go is up to you.  Buy a house boat and go float on the ocean.  The fact that you're too lazy to find somewhere you'd like better doesn't mean you're FORCED to live here under conditions you don't agree with.

Here's the problem I have with AnCap, spelled out by a statist, interestingly enough.

It's not MY land.  under AyeYo's solution or an AnCap one.  Chances are it's not yours either, althgouh that depends a lot on how societal change comes.

[AyeYo]

See, there is a reason I am referring to New Hampshire specifically, as opposed to "Free market states".

Yes, obviously you've selected the one example that appears to be doing well.  Why would you select any of the other libertarian leaning states that are all doing horribly?  That wouldn't bode well for your position.

Uh, there aren't any other libertarian-leaning states to speak of.

Alaska, Wyoming, and Texas were all considered before NH was eventually picked.

Ew. Compared to how New Hampshire is now, they wouldn't even cross my mind. Heck, I live in Texas.

Well, NH was picked for a reason.

Obviously because, as already pointed out, the even more libertarian leaning states like Alaska, Montana, VT, anything in the middle of the country, etc. are all raging failures.  You've lighted on the exception to the rule and you think it proves your point.

[LastBattle]

See, there is a reason I am referring to New Hampshire specifically, as opposed to "Free market states".

Yes, obviously you've selected the one example that appears to be doing well.  Why would you select any of the other libertarian leaning states that are all doing horribly?  That wouldn't bode well for your position.

Uh, there aren't any other libertarian-leaning states to speak of.

Alaska, Wyoming, and Texas were all considered before NH was eventually picked.

Ew. Compared to how New Hampshire is now, they wouldn't even cross my mind. Heck, I live in Texas.

Well, NH was picked for a reason.

Obviously because, as already pointed out, the even more libertarian leaning states like Alaska, Montana, VT, anything in the middle of the country, etc. are all raging failures.  You've lighted on the exception to the rule and you think it proves your point.

You do realize that Alaska, Montana, and Vermont are not libertarian, right?

Obviously because, as already pointed out, the even more statist leaning nations like North Korea and Cuba, etc are all raging failures. You've lighted an exception to the rule and you think it proves your point.

You see what I did there? I painted a strawman.

If you really want me to educate you, I can provide you with information as to exactly why they are not libertarian. Furthermore, I can follow it up with what makes New Hampshire better.

Anyway, you are dodging (though you seem naturally inclined to doing that) my point. If free markets don't work, explain how Hong Kong ended up doing well despite being built on a rock with no support coming in from Britain.