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January 27, 2017, 08:52:17 PM
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Hello,

I personally think that we have to develop more further resource extraction from space. Mars, moon, comet mining for resource would get us more money Cheesy

I'm looking forward to hear from you what is more important:

Colonizing MARS or Mining the resources in cosmos?

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January 27, 2017, 09:09:22 PM
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Both

Mining in the cosmos would bring so much metal to earth that it would become dirth cheap and available to basically everyone

And settling on another planet is just plain survival, having our species on multiple planets in order to survive if something happens unfortunately to our home planet so we can continue our species

I'd go for mining first though

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January 27, 2017, 10:13:13 PM
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Won't happen because then gold hoarders would lose all the value of their holdings  Smiley
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January 27, 2017, 10:28:08 PM
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Won't happen because then gold hoarders would lose all the value of their holdings  Smiley
Gold can't be found pure.
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January 27, 2017, 10:32:21 PM
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Won't happen because then gold hoarders would lose all the value of their holdings  Smiley
Gold can't be found pure.

What does that have to do with anything?

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January 28, 2017, 02:26:50 AM
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Colonizing mars would be a scientific mission.

Developing the technology necessary to visit and colonize mars would produce many scientific advancements which would benefit everyone.

Asteroid mining is a mission to use taxpayer revenues to explore profitability of mining asteroids for the private sector & has little to do with science.

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January 28, 2017, 06:09:36 AM
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Back in the '50s they said we'd have bases on the moon by the turn of the century, with at least monthly flights... if not daily trips. They lied. We aren't even close.

Colonizing Mars or mining the cosmos might be important. But it isn't going to happen. All the propaganda that makes you think that it might, is designed to get you to donate some more money to those propagandists. They leave the money to their kids. But they don't give you the things they promised.

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January 28, 2017, 11:20:55 AM
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Back in the '50s they said we'd have bases on the moon by the turn of the century, with at least monthly flights... if not daily trips. They lied. We aren't even close.

Colonizing Mars or mining the cosmos might be important. But it isn't going to happen. All the propaganda that makes you think that it might, is designed to get you to donate some more money to those propagandists. They leave the money to their kids. But they don't give you the things they promised.

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It will, unfortunately not in our lifetime...

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January 28, 2017, 03:04:39 PM
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Back in the '50s they said we'd have bases on the moon by the turn of the century, with at least monthly flights... if not daily trips. They lied. We aren't even close.

Colonizing Mars or mining the cosmos might be important. But it isn't going to happen. All the propaganda that makes you think that it might, is designed to get you to donate some more money to those propagandists. They leave the money to their kids. But they don't give you the things they promised.

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It will, unfortunately not in our lifetime...

If it does, it will only be because we have lost all freedom, and compassion for the poor people of the world.

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January 30, 2017, 07:32:29 PM
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Back in the '50s they said we'd have bases on the moon by the turn of the century, with at least monthly flights... if not daily trips. They lied. We aren't even close.

Colonizing Mars or mining the cosmos might be important. But it isn't going to happen. All the propaganda that makes you think that it might, is designed to get you to donate some more money to those propagandists. They leave the money to their kids. But they don't give you the things they promised.

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It will, unfortunately not in our lifetime...

If it does, it will only be because we have lost all freedom, and compassion for the poor people of the world.

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We'll still spend that money killing people in Syria, Iran, Iraq etc.
It would be better spent exploring the cosmos

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January 30, 2017, 07:43:27 PM
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The rich folks will go for the colonization of mars, they will want a safe haven after they destroy our beloved earth because of their love of power. From the way the world is going nuclear warfare is inevitable, its only a matte of when it will happen. God help us all.
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January 30, 2017, 08:43:09 PM
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The rich folks will go for the colonization of mars, they will want a safe haven after they destroy our beloved earth because of their love of power. From the way the world is going nuclear warfare is inevitable, its only a matte of when it will happen. God help us all.

Nuclear war will not happen because most military forces have nukes, and they know if they use the nuclear option, they will open the Pandoras box and get rekt

They are not that dumb

Samson option is interesting to me though

North Korea doesn't have the range for its use on the western world
And other nuclear forces are more or less rational and I don't fear they'll use it

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January 30, 2017, 09:18:38 PM
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Back in the '50s they said we'd have bases on the moon by the turn of the century, with at least monthly flights... if not daily trips. They lied. We aren't even close.

Colonizing Mars or mining the cosmos might be important. But it isn't going to happen. All the propaganda that makes you think that it might, is designed to get you to donate some more money to those propagandists. They leave the money to their kids. But they don't give you the things they promised.

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It could be true, but just classified beyond top secret. There was the UK hacker (Gary McKinnon) that managed to get a crew list of off world officers. Along with ship to ship transfer logs between USSS LeMay and the USSS Hillenkoetter.

You can read more about it here. http://www.openminds.tv/what-did-ufo-hacker-really-find/3107
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January 30, 2017, 10:08:48 PM
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Take a look at the costs, you'll find it's absurd. 

Going up and down the gravity well is expensive as all hell.  You'll never make that back no matter what you find on Ceres or the Moon.  Even if it were already stacked in refined bars waiting for you to pick them up!! 

OK as a fully subsidized mission with no profitability other than a technology subsidy, sure.  But as a proper business?  No way. 

At least not until we get that space elevator built Wink 


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January 30, 2017, 10:16:05 PM
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Back in the '50s they said we'd have bases on the moon by the turn of the century, with at least monthly flights... if not daily trips. They lied. We aren't even close.

Colonizing Mars or mining the cosmos might be important. But it isn't going to happen. All the propaganda that makes you think that it might, is designed to get you to donate some more money to those propagandists. They leave the money to their kids. But they don't give you the things they promised.

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It could be true, but just classified beyond top secret. There was the UK hacker (Gary McKinnon) that managed to get a crew list of off world officers. Along with ship to ship transfer logs between USSS LeMay and the USSS Hillenkoetter.

You can read more about it here. http://www.openminds.tv/what-did-ufo-hacker-really-find/3107

Sounds really bogus to me

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January 31, 2017, 02:05:39 AM
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Both are interesting ideas, I have never thought of the benefits for the economy from mining resources from comets or planets. We could possibly find a new resource that becomes valuable such as gold which can

greatly influence the economy and boost moral for the interaction with our interplanetary neighbors. In terms of colonizing mars, I believe we are already taking steps to doing so. Elon Musk is leading SpaceX through

the beginning steps of colonizing, or at least, manned trips to mars. With the exponential increase in technology, I do not think it will be long until both colonizing mars and mining space rocks for profit are part of our

society.
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January 31, 2017, 03:01:15 AM
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Take a look at the costs, you'll find it's absurd. 

Going up and down the gravity well is expensive as all hell.  You'll never make that back no matter what you find on Ceres or the Moon.  Even if it were already stacked in refined bars waiting for you to pick them up!! 

OK as a fully subsidized mission with no profitability other than a technology subsidy, sure.  But as a proper business?  No way. 

At least not until we get that space elevator built Wink 



yeah the cost can rise like if you are "ignoring" the surface ocean fishes by hoping to catch a bigger fish 3 km down the ocean.
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January 31, 2017, 03:47:51 AM
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yeah the cost can rise like if you are "ignoring" the surface ocean fishes by hoping to catch a bigger fish 3 km down the ocean.

Lol... this essentially sums up the myth of space mining. Even extracting gold from the sea water (I am not talking about the method proposed by Fritz Haber) may be less expensive than extracting gold from Mars.

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Take a look at the costs, you'll find it's absurd. 

Going up and down the gravity well is expensive as all hell.  You'll never make that back no matter what you find on Ceres or the Moon.  Even if it were already stacked in refined bars waiting for you to pick them up!! 

OK as a fully subsidized mission with no profitability other than a technology subsidy, sure.  But as a proper business?  No way. 

At least not until we get that space elevator built Wink 



There are several projects to build a space elevator until 2050.
I think cost estimates were around 50-100 billion $ with usage of graphene or similar super materials.

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January 31, 2017, 07:10:34 PM
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Take a look at the costs, you'll find it's absurd. 

Going up and down the gravity well is expensive as all hell.  You'll never make that back no matter what you find on Ceres or the Moon.  Even if it were already stacked in refined bars waiting for you to pick them up!! 

OK as a fully subsidized mission with no profitability other than a technology subsidy, sure.  But as a proper business?  No way. 

At least not until we get that space elevator built Wink 



There are several projects to build a space elevator until 2050.
I think cost estimates were around 50-100 billion $ with usage of graphene or similar super materials.

With inflation that is coming, they better start saving their pennies.

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