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February 05, 2017, 10:08:24 AM
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You are not right. Russia is not at war with ISIS. They are fighting only the Americans. And the fact that it is very slow, it is because the Americans did not destroy the whole city to kill 100 bandits.

Where is Russia fighting against the Americans in Syria? The Russians and the Americans are both supporting the Kurdish YPG, which is fighting against the ISIS. And don't forget the Americans bombing hospitals in Afghanistan, killing dozens of civilians.
Do in Afghanistan was a mistake of the us military and they bombed the hospital. But the Americans admitted it and it was an accident. Russian purposefully bombing hospitals and do not recognize it.
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February 05, 2017, 02:16:38 PM
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What interests?! Why would US' interests conflict with Russian at Syria? Obama's "friend" and ISIS leader, Erdogan*, may be interested into get Syria to restart his Ottoman Empire, but this doesn't mean Trump will play along.
As for oil, Russians and Americans can cut it 50-50.

* Won't you find strange his priorities to be 1st eliminate PKK (Curds), 2nd Assad and "finally" 3rd ISIS/Daesh... Also FSA was trained at Turkey and most just changed allegiance on arrival to ISIS.

US wont need it.
Trump jusr declared that the US will be energy (oil) independent in his term.
He wants to increase US production by some million barrels per day and enact a import tariff for foreign oil.
The first steps are already done with the new pipelines and free drilling on public land.

How can there be peace if this decision will bring putin and russia on the brink of bankruptcy?
The USA becoming energy independant or moving in that direction will not put putin on the brink of bankruptcy.  World energy prices are NOT controlled by the USA.  Or by Putin for that matter.

Think about it again.
The US imports 25% of their oil.
This 25% will not be needed anymore. Who is gonny buy it now?
Same supply, less demand what do you think happens in the aftermath?

We will see 20$ per barrel again and that would directly translate into a bankruptcy of russia.

Like did you already forgot what happened since 2014?!

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February 05, 2017, 02:40:27 PM
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What interests?! Why would US' interests conflict with Russian at Syria? Obama's "friend" and ISIS leader, Erdogan*, may be interested into get Syria to restart his Ottoman Empire, but this doesn't mean Trump will play along.
As for oil, Russians and Americans can cut it 50-50.

* Won't you find strange his priorities to be 1st eliminate PKK (Curds), 2nd Assad and "finally" 3rd ISIS/Daesh... Also FSA was trained at Turkey and most just changed allegiance on arrival to ISIS.

US wont need it.
Trump jusr declared that the US will be energy (oil) independent in his term.
He wants to increase US production by some million barrels per day and enact a import tariff for foreign oil.
The first steps are already done with the new pipelines and free drilling on public land.

How can there be peace if this decision will bring putin and russia on the brink of bankruptcy?
The USA becoming energy independant or moving in that direction will not put putin on the brink of bankruptcy.  World energy prices are NOT controlled by the USA.  Or by Putin for that matter.

Think about it again.
The US imports 25% of their oil.
This 25% will not be needed anymore. Who is gonny buy it now?
Same supply, less demand what do you think happens in the aftermath?

We will see 20$ per barrel again and that would directly translate into a bankruptcy of russia.

Like did you already forgot what happened since 2014?!

You forgot to say that very much the price of oil depends on the demand of China. If Trump did not stop their attempts to cut trade relations with China and withdraw from there to American businesses, the demand for oil will fall in any case.
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February 05, 2017, 08:11:05 PM
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That's unrelated to Syria anyway... Russia will not engage USA for force it to buy oil from them, they will take the hit and surf the new advantage on China. American companies can get out from there, but they already leave their technology behind, a hit that will take a decade for US to recover.

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February 05, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
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What interests?! Why would US' interests conflict with Russian at Syria? Obama's "friend" and ISIS leader, Erdogan*, may be interested into get Syria to restart his Ottoman Empire, but this doesn't mean Trump will play along.
As for oil, Russians and Americans can cut it 50-50.

* Won't you find strange his priorities to be 1st eliminate PKK (Curds), 2nd Assad and "finally" 3rd ISIS/Daesh... Also FSA was trained at Turkey and most just changed allegiance on arrival to ISIS.

US wont need it.
Trump jusr declared that the US will be energy (oil) independent in his term.
He wants to increase US production by some million barrels per day and enact a import tariff for foreign oil.
The first steps are already done with the new pipelines and free drilling on public land.

How can there be peace if this decision will bring putin and russia on the brink of bankruptcy?
The USA becoming energy independant or moving in that direction will not put putin on the brink of bankruptcy.  World energy prices are NOT controlled by the USA.  Or by Putin for that matter.

Think about it again.
The US imports 25% of their oil.
This 25% will not be needed anymore. Who is gonny buy it now?
Same supply, less demand what do you think happens in the aftermath?

We will see 20$ per barrel again and that would directly translate into a bankruptcy of russia.

Like did you already forgot what happened since 2014?!

It's never the "same supply."
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February 06, 2017, 03:57:46 AM
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What interests?! Why would US' interests conflict with Russian at Syria? Obama's "friend" and ISIS leader, Erdogan*, may be interested into get Syria to restart his Ottoman Empire, but this doesn't mean Trump will play along.
As for oil, Russians and Americans can cut it 50-50.

* Won't you find strange his priorities to be 1st eliminate PKK (Curds), 2nd Assad and "finally" 3rd ISIS/Daesh... Also FSA was trained at Turkey and most just changed allegiance on arrival to ISIS.

US wont need it.
Trump jusr declared that the US will be energy (oil) independent in his term.
He wants to increase US production by some million barrels per day and enact a import tariff for foreign oil.
The first steps are already done with the new pipelines and free drilling on public land.

How can there be peace if this decision will bring putin and russia on the brink of bankruptcy?
The USA becoming energy independant or moving in that direction will not put putin on the brink of bankruptcy.  World energy prices are NOT controlled by the USA.  Or by Putin for that matter.

Think about it again.
The US imports 25% of their oil.
This 25% will not be needed anymore. Who is gonny buy it now?
Same supply, less demand what do you think happens in the aftermath?

We will see 20$ per barrel again and that would directly translate into a bankruptcy of russia.

Like did you already forgot what happened since 2014?!

You forgot to say that very much the price of oil depends on the demand of China. If Trump did not stop their attempts to cut trade relations with China and withdraw from there to American businesses, the demand for oil will fall in any case.

Also, I don't think that the shale oil will continue to flow in the United States forever. Within a few years, most of the formations are going to get depleted. If that happens, then I am afraid that the crude is going to touch $300 per barrel.

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February 06, 2017, 04:56:17 PM
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What interests?! Why would US' interests conflict with Russian at Syria? Obama's "friend" and ISIS leader, Erdogan*, may be interested into get Syria to restart his Ottoman Empire, but this doesn't mean Trump will play along.
As for oil, Russians and Americans can cut it 50-50.

* Won't you find strange his priorities to be 1st eliminate PKK (Curds), 2nd Assad and "finally" 3rd ISIS/Daesh... Also FSA was trained at Turkey and most just changed allegiance on arrival to ISIS.

US wont need it.
Trump jusr declared that the US will be energy (oil) independent in his term.
He wants to increase US production by some million barrels per day and enact a import tariff for foreign oil.
The first steps are already done with the new pipelines and free drilling on public land.

How can there be peace if this decision will bring putin and russia on the brink of bankruptcy?
The USA becoming energy independant or moving in that direction will not put putin on the brink of bankruptcy.  World energy prices are NOT controlled by the USA.  Or by Putin for that matter.

Think about it again.
The US imports 25% of their oil.
This 25% will not be needed anymore. Who is gonny buy it now?
Same supply, less demand what do you think happens in the aftermath?

We will see 20$ per barrel again and that would directly translate into a bankruptcy of russia.

Like did you already forgot what happened since 2014?!

You forgot to say that very much the price of oil depends on the demand of China. If Trump did not stop their attempts to cut trade relations with China and withdraw from there to American businesses, the demand for oil will fall in any case.

Also, I don't think that the shale oil will continue to flow in the United States forever. Within a few years, most of the formations are going to get depleted. If that happens, then I am afraid that the crude is going to touch $300 per barrel.
As the Arabs and Russians make the same mistake. They want oil was very expensive. The more expensive the oil, the better to introduce alternative sources of energy. Then there's no turning back.
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February 07, 2017, 07:48:41 AM
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As the Arabs and Russians make the same mistake. They want oil was very expensive. The more expensive the oil, the better to introduce alternative sources of energy. Then there's no turning back.

There was no mass introduction of alternate energy, when crude was trading at $100-120 levels for almost 4-5 years. That is why I think that even if crude touches the $300 per barrel mark, there will be no replacement of it.

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February 07, 2017, 01:41:30 PM
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As the Arabs and Russians make the same mistake. They want oil was very expensive. The more expensive the oil, the better to introduce alternative sources of energy. Then there's no turning back.

There was no mass introduction of alternate energy, when crude was trading at $100-120 levels for almost 4-5 years. That is why I think that even if crude touches the $300 per barrel mark, there will be no replacement of it.
You are wrong! In the world there is not one large automobile Corporation which is not engaged in the development of the electric vehicle. Elon Musk presented house, which is fully independent from the energy source.
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I see many BMW i3 and i8, Tesla, Nissan Leaf, Renault ZOE and other electric vehicles around.
It's true however that only nuclear can provide power enough for replace oil. The "green energies" doesn't produce enough.

But, yes, oil is near the end of its life, like coal before it.

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February 07, 2017, 02:44:20 PM
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I see many BMW i3 and i8, Tesla, Nissan Leaf, Renault ZOE and other electric vehicles around.
It's true however that only nuclear can provide power enough for replace oil. The "green energies" doesn't produce enough.

But, yes, oil is near the end of its life, like coal before it.
Nuclear power plants are already many in the world. I think that you need all the houses and vehicles to convert to alternative energy sources, and in industry where you need a lot of energy while the use of nuclear power.
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February 07, 2017, 03:49:45 PM
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Trump spoke about safe zones obviously because he does not want Syrian immigrants to travel  in America. As has been shown so far, Trump is one unpredictable man, where nobody knows what he intends to do. But he has already talked with Russians as Moscow has acknowledged, therefore he knows their views. He doesn't even care what wants the American system, nor what Erdogan wants, but only what he wants. About the issue of Syria is clear, he wants to destroy the jihadist terrorists in cooperation with Russia (and obviously Assad). Also he has said he does not want changes in leadership in other countries. Eventually he has said at times a lot of conflicting statements, so let's wait for his actions.
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February 07, 2017, 03:54:49 PM
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Trump spoke about safe zones obviously because he does not want Syrian immigrants to travel  in America. As has been shown so far, Trump is one unpredictable man, where nobody knows what he intends to do. But he has already talked with Russians as Moscow has acknowledged, therefore he knows their views. He doesn't even care what wants the American system, nor what Erdogan wants, but only what he wants. About the issue of Syria is clear, he wants to destroy the jihadist terrorists in cooperation with Russia (and obviously Assad). Also he has said he does not want changes in leadership in other countries. Eventually he has said at times a lot of conflicting statements, so let's wait for his actions.
It seems to me that Trump idiot. Putin is the only one who is nice to him. He likes it and he doesn't understand what makes a bargain with the enemy of America and betraying its interests.
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Trump spoke about safe zones obviously because he does not want Syrian immigrants to travel  in America. As has been shown so far, Trump is one unpredictable man, where nobody knows what he intends to do. But he has already talked with Russians as Moscow has acknowledged, therefore he knows their views. He doesn't even care what wants the American system, nor what Erdogan wants, but only what he wants. About the issue of Syria is clear, he wants to destroy the jihadist terrorists in cooperation with Russia (and obviously Assad). Also he has said he does not want changes in leadership in other countries. Eventually he has said at times a lot of conflicting statements, so let's wait for his actions.
I'm afraid that actions Trump will be the same stupid and predictable as his word. Who wants to do an experiment like this stupid politician like Trump. It seems to me that in addition to the troubles it would bring nothing.
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I see many BMW i3 and i8, Tesla, Nissan Leaf, Renault ZOE and other electric vehicles around.
It's true however that only nuclear can provide power enough for replace oil. The "green energies" doesn't produce enough.

But, yes, oil is near the end of its life, like coal before it.

Nuclear energy is the only real renewable energy. But then, it is almost impossible to manufacture portable nuclear reactors, which can be used to run vehicles such as cars and trucks. Anyway... can't say how the science will advance in the future.

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Nuclear power plants are already many in the world. I think that you need all the houses and vehicles to convert to alternative energy sources, and in industry where you need a lot of energy while the use of nuclear power.

No, it's not just the industry that needs nuclear power. An apartment lot cannot produce energy enough to be self-sustainable, and in houses, you need to be a millionaire to can have one with a yard enough to it.
Now, add the vehicles in the street. How many are they? No solar, wind, tide or whatever can produce enough for it!
It doesn't mean the "green energy" sources must be wasted. If they can prevent one or two reactors that's already a good thing. Just clearly not enough.

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February 07, 2017, 05:18:10 PM
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Nuclear power plants are already many in the world. I think that you need all the houses and vehicles to convert to alternative energy sources, and in industry where you need a lot of energy while the use of nuclear power.

No, it's not just the industry that needs nuclear power. An apartment lot cannot produce energy enough to be self-sustainable, and in houses, you need to be a millionaire to can have one with a yard enough to it.
Now, add the vehicles in the street. How many are they? No solar, wind, tide or whatever can produce enough for it!
It doesn't mean the "green energy" sources must be wasted. If they can prevent one or two reactors that's already a good thing. Just clearly not enough.
I saw Elon musk showed the shingles which cover the roof and it produces so much energy that the house does not require additional connection to the power source. Is this ceramic tile cheaper.
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Have him show the power production in Watts, his company is filled up with bold claims that remain unproved.
Salesman speech can be motivative, but doesn't prove a thing.

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February 07, 2017, 05:30:23 PM
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Have him show the power production in Watts, his company is filled up with bold claims that remain unproved.
Salesman speech can be motivative, but doesn't prove a thing.
However, as far as I know their project Tesla is developing very successfully and at the moment their car can do in the city without gasoline and diesel fuel. Moreover, their cars have good characteristics. Maybe there not lying?
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But may bold claims are still unproved.
Tesla cars autonomy, despite being outstanding to concurrence, aren't that impressive... and where do you think they take energy to their power chargers? let's give time to time, instead of using fallacies, right?

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