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January 30, 2017, 07:16:32 PM
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You will find many investment sites here who will promise you to give the best returns but the fact is we are not sure where they will follow their promises in long run or not as everyone has got scammed in the past by investing in those sites as majority of them ran away with the funds of people giving nothing in return so people have fear of loosing their investments if they choose a wrong place to invest.

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January 30, 2017, 07:19:20 PM
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I doubt you will find a serious investment opportunity here. It is just not done that way. If you want to actually invest (in the USA) you will want to look into investment portals like https://circleup.com/ .

i wonder if any of these places come up with any type of return.

the whole unicorn era seems to have bred the expectation of taking massive amounts of vc money and ending up with squat very rapidly. i hope that doesn't filter down to the little guys in the same way.

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January 30, 2017, 07:36:51 PM
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I doubt you will find a serious investment opportunity here. It is just not done that way. If you want to actually invest (in the USA) you will want to look into investment portals like https://circleup.com/ .

i wonder if any of these places come up with any type of return.

the whole unicorn era seems to have bred the expectation of taking massive amounts of vc money and ending up with squat very rapidly. i hope that doesn't filter down to the little guys in the same way.

Good point. Just because it's a legal/legit business does not make it a good idea. The whole skill in investing is finding capable people with good ideas. There is no short cut for due diligence.

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January 30, 2017, 09:25:44 PM
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I think there are so many threads asking for btc investment advice because people are simply too greedy.
They already have a good investment, the bitcoin. But that does not seem to be enough, it has to be more. A free advice to generate more profit without having to lift a finger.
The world does not work this way.
And the answer to the question why there are few real investment options is the fact that bitcoin already is a good investment.
Every business you put your coins in would have to earn first the amount that comes from the bitcoin price increase during the time of the investment.
And then put some interets on the top of that.
A hard to reach goal for most companies.

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January 30, 2017, 11:25:21 PM
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The growth of bitcoin is so fast, and bitcoin user demands on higher profit because if the profit is too low, they prefer invest in fiat because it is more safe and secure, when you invest in bitcoin the risk of being scammed is high, so the user expecting a high return and from my experience the legitimate site for investing bitcoin is little because most of the investment are scammed

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January 30, 2017, 11:27:12 PM
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Y'all don't hafta invest yo bitcoins.  Why don't nobody git this simple fact??  If you want ta invest inna stock market, ya jist use up yo fiat money.  Bitcoin itself is an investment, an the OP here sayed it himsef.  All y'all got up in this piece is scambolas, the HYIPs and assorted nonsense.  Don't make no sense ta me.
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January 31, 2017, 09:59:52 AM
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Also, I do not buy that line "Bitcoin s investment by itself". If this is the case, there s no growth of crypto economy and consequently no change in price based on anything else but speculations. We do not need that.

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January 31, 2017, 12:05:00 PM
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Also, I do not buy that line "Bitcoin s investment by itself". If this is the case, there s no growth of crypto economy and consequently no change in price based on anything else but speculations. We do not need that.

well whether you an i like it or not, bitcoin is an investment and the investment side of it is the biggest. much bigger than bitcoin being a currency. and as much as i like it to change, that is how things work now.

and by the way i always see you create at least a couple of investment topics and participate in more, do you yourself have anything to share with us?

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January 31, 2017, 04:25:07 PM
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Also, I do not buy that line "Bitcoin s investment by itself". If this is the case, there s no growth of crypto economy and consequently no change in price based on anything else but speculations. We do not need that.
I'm totally with you. Utility is a strong foundation for the BTC economy. Speculation provides the weakest support.

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January 31, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
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I see no reason why the returns of an investment with Bitcoin or any other crypto would be higher then with fiat. The risk is potentially higher since one can expect less experience with Bitcoin investing. People will only invest money if the are promised a bigger return and there are people promising that. But since this is almost not manageable you can assume it is a scam or high risk. I fell like solid ideas with low risk just have not enough customers, since they prefer to dream big and fail, rather then invest wisely and make a profit, even if it is just a small one.

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January 31, 2017, 09:42:46 PM
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I think there are so many bitcoin investment threads but in reality there only legit investment site is because the people in this community are having a hard time whom to trust! I mean majority of use experienced being scammed so it's hard for us to invest again because we are afraid that we might get scam again!

exactly. I think so. I also want to inbest, but I find it difficult to choose a trusted company. many people offer high profit, but high profit does not guarantee that it is trusted.

or probably these people and I just do not have knowledge to know the trusted investments and scam one.


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Look up the term ICO. That's where the big time players invest with Bitcoin.

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Look up the term ICO. That's where the big time players invest with Bitcoin.
And how many of those ICO make a solid long term profit? I have heard of many scams. Sure you might get lucky and sell at the right time during an pump and dump, but i would consider this more gambling then investing.

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Look up the term ICO. That's where the big time players invest with Bitcoin.

95% of those re total and utter junk. An evolution of crowdfunding options with shiny website and offering nothing. I m more interested in why REAL established businesses do not go for BTC financing.
FFS, there s a guy here on the forum who sells shares of his pig farm and there was another one from Russia who offered a cut in some kind of fishing operation.

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i would only invest in mining at present, it has the best compromise between risk and reward, you keep your money investment(80% of it atcually) and you earn daily

i'm not talking about cloud, you need to buy your own rig and mine altcoin, not bitcoin, you can also buy directly some new coin, but it's far more risk unless you are a part of a group of whale that pump those scamcoin...

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February 01, 2017, 08:28:56 AM
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going down the ICO path is a very bad decision if you ask me, it has high risk and even if you make it the reward is not worth it.

the only thing that I have seen to be a good investment all these years have been trading. whether it is trading bitcoin (short or long) or it is trading altcoins short term, it has been a good way to make some profit based on your experience in this market.

the altcoin mining that Amph suggests is also a good option and I have been thinking about it myself but I am always afraid of the electric bill that I am going to get based on the calculations that I have made.

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i would only invest in mining at present, it has the best compromise between risk and reward, you keep your money investment(80% of it atcually) and you earn daily

i'm not talking about cloud, you need to buy your own rig and mine altcoin, not bitcoin, you can also buy directly some new coin, but it's far more risk unless you are a part of a group of whale that pump those scamcoin...

Yes, this is solid. If you know what to do, alts can still generate a nice profits. If you do not know what to do, lots of guides about this around, especially on Youtube.

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February 01, 2017, 09:06:41 AM
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going down the ICO path is a very bad decision if you ask me, it has high risk and even if you make it the reward is not worth it.
I am not a fan of ICOs  either, but I have to say that in case of the most popular and hyped ICOs there is high chance of gaining profits.
It is high risk high reward kind of thing. All you have to do is pick ICO very carefully, invest only big projects backed by well known developers.
ICONOMI was good project to invest and now I think Qtum has the chance to be the biggest project on 2017, at least so far.


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February 01, 2017, 09:38:51 AM
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What kind of business could be expected to yield reasonable ROI in bitcoin?
The main problem is the highly volatile exchange rate. Typical "real economy" businesses need your investment to buy manufacturing equipment and raw goods, which are both typically paid for and evaluated in fiat currencies. They produce goods or services which are also either sold for fiat money, or at least there is sufficient market pressure to adjust the bitcoin price so that its value in $ or € stays more or less constant.
For example, if you were looking for server hosting, the companies offering bitcoin as a payment option can't really make their prices much higher than comparable companies who take fiat money. So when the exchange rate goes up by 10 percent within a month, they would need to reduce their hosting fees by 10 percent to stay competitive.
Unless the business model has very moderate capital investment requirements and very limited costs for raw goods, it's hard to make it an attractive investment.
Businesses that could work are mostly using just digital infrastructure and consume and produce digital goods, for example exchanges, mining operations, gambling sites. Incidentally, those kinds of businesses have actually been relatively successful in the bitcoin economy. However, even those businesses have fixed costs (server rental and/or energy, employee wages) so they need real growth to generate stable profits.

If you look at a traditional share model where shares are freely traded, you need to consider that shares are typically evaluated based on two factors: Value of the actual assets belonging to the business, and expected future dividends. If the value of the assets is very low, the value of your share will almost exclusively depend on the expected future dividends, and this can fluctuate significantly, which hinders easy trading.

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February 01, 2017, 09:40:47 AM
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Look up the term ICO. That's where the big time players invest with Bitcoin.

You mean where they gamble with their bitcoins!!
There's nothing wrnong with that by the way. But how many of those ICOs are just spure scams, p&d which favour the inner circle of issuers, devs and their early backers who often are already rich!
The majority of these ICO participants is losing it's money regularly!!
Just have a look at the charts of these altcoins. Pump and dump, mostly triggered by spreaded rumors or some FUD news without considering the technology it's features, and then they disappear or become irrelevant extremely fast.
Only a handful of coins may have some potential for future existence right now.A handful of more than a thousand!
So good luck with your "investing" as you call it here! I would call it short term high risk speculating, riding the wave before it's going down.

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