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January 31, 2017, 05:33:54 PM
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[...] We all know that this one won't be used for legal purposes.
How do you "know" that, Lauda?

I personally don't like this "guilty 'till proven innocent" attitude...  Lips sealed

[...] There's no need to play the devil's advocate.
That need is always present...

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January 31, 2017, 05:40:01 PM
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[...] We all know that this one won't be used for legal purposes.
How do you "know" that, Lauda?

I personally don't like this "guilty 'till proven innocent" attitude...  Lips sealed

[...] There's no need to play the devil's advocate.
That need is always present...
This is the mindset of Lauda. He always only looks at his own viewpoint without talking anything into consideration that would weaken his viewpoint.

@OP your only recourse is to contact dooglus, HostFat and Cyrus about this rating. These people are those who are the reason that Vod's ratings are visible by default.

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January 31, 2017, 05:50:04 PM
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How do you "know" that, Lauda?

I personally don't like this "guilty 'till proven innocent" attitude...  Lips sealed
Maybe if you shared it in a church, they'd be more people using it for 'genuine' purposes. I guess, we could also allow malware since it can be used to test your own system? Nobody has claimed that anyone is 'guilty' here.

This is the mindset of Lauda. He always only looks at his own viewpoint without talking anything into consideration that would weaken his viewpoint.
People aren't allowed to state their opinions? Some people will be fine with it, others will not. There's no factually right stance on this either.

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January 31, 2017, 06:46:47 PM
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How do you "know" that, Lauda? [...] I personally don't like this "guilty 'till proven innocent" attitude...  Lips sealed
Maybe if you shared it in a church, they'd be more people using it for 'genuine' purposes. I guess, we could also allow malware since it can be used to test your own system? Nobody has claimed that anyone is 'guilty' here. [...] There's no factually right stance on this either.

Well, don't you think that a negative trust rating by a DT member is "a bit over the top" then...  Huh

C'mon, this is BTCT and BTC we're talking about (so, no, certainly not church).

Maybe I'm missing something (and I would gladly be pointed towards that), but this really seems "over the top" (by Vod) to me...  Roll Eyes

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January 31, 2017, 06:55:50 PM
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Well, don't you think that a negative trust rating by a DT member is "a bit over the top" then...  Huh
I don't have a particularly strong stance on this rating. Whilst I probably would not hand out one myself, I don't mind the one given out by Vod.

C'mon, this is BTCT and BTC we're talking about (so, no, certainly not church).
Therefore the odds of it being used for 'genuine' purposes is much lower. That was the conclusion that out of the initial assertion.

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January 31, 2017, 07:03:15 PM
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C'mon, this is BTCT and BTC we're talking about (so, no, certainly not church).
Therefore the odds of it being used for 'genuine' purposes is much lower. That was the conclusion that out of the initial assertion.

I would argue "the other way around"; because it is BTCT we should "stick together" and "understand" each other more.

E.g.: if on a deep-web marketplace someone is offering drugs or weapons for sale for BTC and he's got a "good" reputation - always delivering on time, as advertised and quality stuff - would you neg. trust him "just" for the offer...  Huh

(And mind you, I live in a liberal country and definitely support recreational drug use [not abuse] and I love going to the shooting range and hunting...)

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January 31, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
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I would argue "the other way around"; because it is BTCT we should "stick together" and "understand" each other more.
I guess it depends on your level of optimism or should I say realism?

E.g.: if on a deep-web marketplace someone is offering drugs or weapons for sale for BTC and he's got a "good" reputation - always delivering on time, as advertised and quality stuff - would you neg. trust him "just" for the offer...  Huh
As I've previously said, I don't have a strong stance on this. This also raises the question whether we tag all/some people for doing something that is clearly illegal? I would say it depends on the particular case (as you're trying to point out?). However, someone who has been much longer in DT should be able to give you a better answer than me.

Update: Oops, my bad. Cheesy

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January 31, 2017, 07:13:04 PM
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E.g.: if on a deep-web marketplace someone is offering drugs or weapons for sale for BTC and he's got a "good" reputation - always delivering on time, as advertised and quality stuff - would you neg. trust him "just" for the offer...  Huh
As I've previously said, I don't have a strong stance on this. This also raises the question whether we tag all/some people for doing something that is clearly illegal? I would say it depends on the particular case (as you're trying to point out?). However, someone who has been much longer in DT should be able to give you a better answer than me.

That (your stance) is obvious (and thank you for noting my point), but that's actually why I asked Vod...  Tongue

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January 31, 2017, 07:29:53 PM
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Maybe I'm missing something (and I would gladly be pointed towards that), but this really seems "over the top" (by Vod) to me...  Roll Eyes

The OP had a chance (and maybe still does) to appeal this privately in in a calm and factual manner instead of being an asshole about it.

These threads about "unfair" trust really can't do much other than attract shitflies like QS. It's something that should be sorted out between two users unless it escalates to abuse of Default Trust, which this doesn't appear to be.

Vod doesn't trust the OP for the reason stated and it does sound like a plausible reason for someone not to trust another person, even if I wouldn't necessarily agree with it. If I think it's "over the top" I'll ignore it, otherwise I'll appreciate the warning. I don't expect the trust system to match my point of view 100%.

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January 31, 2017, 07:54:33 PM
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Personally I don't believe that providing a keylogger shouldn't be looked upon as bad and further make you receive a negative. A keylogger could have many good uses, like for a manager to track a employee's office job on a computer. Although like drugs they could have better uses if people with worse intentions didn't ruin the good uses of it.

Looking through your post history I couldn't find any possible programs or anything malicious I think Vod should remove your negative and you delete your post. Keyloggers don't belong on this forum good or bad intentions.

I think first you should have PMed Vod and I believe he would have deleted his negative if you worked somethning out. It could be to late to change Vod's mind but I think it would be the right thing to do to reverse the negative regardless.
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January 31, 2017, 08:48:51 PM
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I thought about this overnight and I decided to change my negative to a neutral.  The OP did paste the source code of his project and I believe he was just trying out his programming skills, as I do from time to time.

The reason the rating remains a neutral is because people should be aware this person has no problems writing malicious software. 

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January 31, 2017, 09:04:59 PM
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I thought about this overnight and I decided to change my negative to a neutral.  The OP did paste the source code of his project and I believe he was just trying out his programming skills, as I do from time to time.

The reason the rating remains a neutral is because people should be aware this person has no problems writing malicious software.

I can totally agree with that. Thanks for your feedback/time/explanation...

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January 31, 2017, 09:07:04 PM
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I thought about this overnight and I decided to change my negative to a neutral.  The OP did paste the source code of his project and I believe he was just trying out his programming skills, as I do from time to time.

The reason the rating remains a neutral is because people should be aware this person has no problems writing malicious software. 

I'm glad that you choose to reverse this one, I think you did the right thing here.
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