This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism

[myrkul]

I make only assumptions based upon what currently exists.

Well, ask yourself what gives the employer such power to dictate the terms of employment in today's marketplace. Extrapolate from that answer what would result in a completely free market.

Perhaps, as I said before, the free market should be the entity that decides.  I know that any entrepreneur would like to have ownership of his ideas and work, and that the arbitration companies that may or may not come into existence will reflect this fact, just as you know that the arbitration companies will defend what you percieve to be one's right to use the ideas of others, without permission, to make a profit.  I can only hope and pray for the day when one of us will be proved right or wrong.

A-men to that. But I'd like to point out that there are already a lot of authors and musicians embracing the IP-free business model, and doing a fine job of profiting from it. Cory Doctorow and Jonothan Coulton jump to mind.

[FreedomEqualsRiches]

I make only assumptions based upon what currently exists.

Well, ask yourself what gives the employer such power to dictate the terms of employment in today's marketplace. Extrapolate from that answer what would result in a completely free market.

Perhaps, as I said before, the free market should be the entity that decides.  I know that any entrepreneur would like to have ownership of his ideas and work, and that the arbitration companies that may or may not come into existence will reflect this fact, just as you know that the arbitration companies will defend what you percieve to be one's right to use the ideas of others, without permission, to make a profit.  I can only hope and pray for the day when one of us will be proved right or wrong.

A-men to that. But I'd like to point out that there are already a lot of authors and musicians embracing the IP-free business model, and doing a fine job of profiting from it. Cory Doctorow and Jonothan Coulton jump to mind.

The Grateful Dead were doing it in the 90's, not that I'm an acid dropping dead-head.  IP-free business models may work well for some things, and not for others, we'll only know if and when we win.

[myrkul]

Blablahblah is just a troll.

Sure, if it makes you feel better.

It's not about me feeling better. If you actually spent the time to learn about the things you denigrate, instead of just covering your ears and screaming "Religion! LALALALALALALA," you might actually like what you see.

[MysteryMiner]

This originally was Troll thread intended to mock similarly named thread where all talks about Racism and Nazism were intended to go.

Americanism are like diarrhea. You cannot just have a little go of it without releasing a flood.

[myrkul]

This originally was Troll thread intended to mock similarly named thread where all talks about Racism and Nazism were intended to go.

Yes, and it backfired, for first we made fun of your antisemitism, and now we're talking about free markets. Kinda sad that this is your most popular thread, huh?

[MysteryMiner]

This originally was Troll thread intended to mock similarly named thread where all talks about Racism and Nazism were intended to go.

Yes, and it backfired, for first we made fun of your antisemitism, and now we're talking about free markets. Kinda sad that this is your most popular thread, huh?

No it is great. I read the thread with great attention on various theories of market operation. I need them to further advance the manifesto I'm writing about society, politics and how my country should be rebuilt. I see both flaws of the logic in the various theories as well as few insightful ones. The problem are that different societies probably need different models of market because people have different expectations from the society.

I don't care about people not accepting national socialism as the best of both worlds solution to most problems in society. People are brainwashed into thinking nazism is bad and brainwashed to live in the unfair capitalist society as a slaves.

[myrkul]

I don't care about people not accepting national socialism as the best of both worlds solution to most problems in society. People are brainwashed into thinking nazism is bad and brainwashed to live in the unfair capitalist society as a slaves.

Brainwashed! Right. Because last time Nazism was tried, that worked out great.

[MysteryMiner]

I don't care about people not accepting national socialism as the best of both worlds solution to most problems in society. People are brainwashed into thinking nazism is bad and brainwashed to live in the unfair capitalist society as a slaves.

Brainwashed! Right. Because last time Nazism was tried, that worked out great.

It really worked great! Seriously. Look at the social reforms, scientific and technological advances, look at the idea of ethnic purity, the ide of national state! Would not the Germans be defeated in war we will be living in much better world right now!

[myrkul]

I don't care about people not accepting national socialism as the best of both worlds solution to most problems in society. People are brainwashed into thinking nazism is bad and brainwashed to live in the unfair capitalist society as a slaves.

Brainwashed! Right. Because last time Nazism was tried, that worked out great.

It really worked great! Seriously. Look at the social reforms, scientific and technological advances, look at the idea of ethnic purity, the ide of national state! Would not the Germans be defeated in war we will be living in much better world right now!

Yeah, see... most of those things you crow about? They're why it failed. Why it's doomed to fail every time it's tried.

[MysteryMiner]

I don't care about people not accepting national socialism as the best of both worlds solution to most problems in society. People are brainwashed into thinking nazism is bad and brainwashed to live in the unfair capitalist society as a slaves.

Brainwashed! Right. Because last time Nazism was tried, that worked out great.

It really worked great! Seriously. Look at the social reforms, scientific and technological advances, look at the idea of ethnic purity, the ide of national state! Would not the Germans be defeated in war we will be living in much better world right now!

Yeah, see... most of those things you crow about? They're why it failed. Why it's doomed to fail every time it's tried.

You are totally wrong. You are brainwashed to believe that the wrong ideals (from multiculturalist and social unfairist point of view) were the reason of Nazism failure. The truth is that these ideals were reason behind success of various forms of national-socialism in Europe and the reason of failure were badly played round at World War 2.

[FreedomEqualsRiches]

I don't care about people not accepting national socialism as the best of both worlds solution to most problems in society. People are brainwashed into thinking nazism is bad and brainwashed to live in the unfair capitalist society as a slaves.

Brainwashed! Right. Because last time Nazism was tried, that worked out great.

It really worked great! Seriously. Look at the social reforms, scientific and technological advances, look at the idea of ethnic purity, the ide of national state! Would not the Germans be defeated in war we will be living in much better world right now!

Yeah, see... most of those things you crow about? They're why it failed. Why it's doomed to fail every time it's tried.

How did racial socialists get in on this?  I always thought BTC was a sort of AnCap kinda thing.

[myrkul]

How did racial socialists get in on this?  I always thought BTC was a sort of AnCap kinda thing.

Heh... we attract all kinds. We even have a few seriously deluded Zeitgeisters here.

[Anon136]

How did racial socialists get in on this?  I always thought BTC was a sort of AnCap kinda thing.

Heh... we attract all kinds. We even have a few seriously deluded Zeitgeisters here.

money is the root of all evil maaaaan... by the way can you spare some bitcoins?

[Mike Christ]

How did racial socialists get in on this?  I always thought BTC was a sort of AnCap kinda thing.

Heh... we attract all kinds. We even have a few seriously deluded Zeitgeisters here.

One thing I can say that's good about Zeitgeist; it's highly effective in breaking that spell religion and the state has over the populace.

For the systems it advocates, I'm not entirely sure.

[Anon136]

How did racial socialists get in on this?  I always thought BTC was a sort of AnCap kinda thing.

Heh... we attract all kinds. We even have a few seriously deluded Zeitgeisters here.

One thing I can say that's good about Zeitgeist; it's highly effective in breaking that spell religion and the state has over the populace.

For the systems it advocates, I'm not entirely sure.

c'mon why would anyone not want hal9000 micromanaging every aspect of their lives?

[myrkul]

How did racial socialists get in on this?  I always thought BTC was a sort of AnCap kinda thing.

Heh... we attract all kinds. We even have a few seriously deluded Zeitgeisters here.

One thing I can say that's good about Zeitgeist; it's highly effective in breaking that spell religion and the state has over the populace.

For the systems it advocates, I'm not entirely sure.

Robosocialism!

[film2240]

Can this thread also be used to give an easy to understand summary to someone who doesn't fully understand the big deal with libertarianism or the free markets? An easy to understand/brief summary will make an idea more attractive to people not in the know.Thanks.

[Anon136]

Blablahblah is just a troll.

Sure, if it makes you feel better.

It's not about me feeling better. If you actually spent the time to learn about the things you denigrate, instead of just covering your ears and screaming "Religion! LALALALALALALA," you might actually like what you see.

So you're only here to teach others, but never learn anything yourself? Interesting...

Perhaps if you spent the time to learn about the flaws in AnCap, instead of just covering your ears and screaming "Statists! LALALALALALALA," ..eh what's the point.

all systems have flaws. Should we abolish cars because they fail to conserve energy with 100% efficiency? Ancaps know that our ideas are flawed, we just also realize that they are less flawed than all other competing proposals. We know that competing defense providers would sometimes do a poor job just like hondas sometimes break down, we just believe they would do a BETTER job than mopolistic defense providers for reasons similar to why hondas break down less often than yugos.

[FreedomEqualsRiches]

How did racial socialists get in on this?  I always thought BTC was a sort of AnCap kinda thing.

Heh... we attract all kinds. We even have a few seriously deluded Zeitgeisters here.

 I know a couple of Zeitgeisters, watched their stupid movies, so I poked holes in all of their arguments, now they don't talk to me.  It's basically Communism all dressed up in new-age lingo.

[myrkul]

Blablahblah is just a troll.

Sure, if it makes you feel better.

It's not about me feeling better. If you actually spent the time to learn about the things you denigrate, instead of just covering your ears and screaming "Religion! LALALALALALALA," you might actually like what you see.

So you're only here to teach others, but never learn anything yourself? Interesting...

Perhaps if you spent the time to learn about the flaws in AnCap, instead of just covering your ears and screaming "Statists! LALALALALALALA," ..eh what's the point.

All systems have flaws. Should we abolish cars because they fail to conserve energy with 100% efficiency? Ancaps know that our ideas are flawed, we just also realize that they are less flawed than all other competing proposals. We know that competing defense providers would sometimes do a poor job just like hondas sometimes break down, we just believe they would do a BETTER job than monopolistic defense providers for reasons similar to why hondas break down less often than yugos.

Couldn't have said it better myself.