Boston Marathon Explosions

[Severian]

The roots are conservatism.

The root is Statism. Conservativism and liberalism both suffer from the disease.

[Richy_T]

Oh yeah, and, despite Iraq being a huge clusterfuck, started based on bs and lies, and is something I was absolutely against, the people in Iraq did actually want USA's help to get them some "freedoms." They just weren't expecting that USA would be so godamn incompetent about it. (Source - multiple interviews before and during the run-up to the war, where Iraqi citizens, on promise of anonymity, were complaining that things suck and were asking when are we going to come in to take Sadam out). I do agree that, even if all the USA did want to do is give Iraq freedomz, it may not actually have been their fight to stick their noses into... Maybe libertarians should start a mercenary-type charity where they could raise funds for a private elite team of ex-Navy Seals to go around and fuck assholes all up.

Forget the navy seals. All you need to do is find a way to support the dissidents. (Something the US gov managed to startlingly fail to do in Iraq and did in lamentable ways in Libya). Much as I hate and despise the IRA, there's no arguing that to the degree that they got what they wanted, a lot of that was possible because of support from sympathizers in the USA.

[Rassah]

[citation needed]

Another drill gone bad, like some other famous ones in the past 12 years or so.

UM Coach: Bomb Sniffing Dogs, Spotters on Roofs Before Explosions

To me this suggests more that they may have heard something or received a threat, but did not want to panic people, much more than they were planning on doing something themselves.

The roots are conservatism.

The root is Statism. Conservativism and liberalism both suffer from the disease.

Statism is conservatism too, really. Libertarians want to experiment with more ideas and allow people to try things out freely, democrats want to put strict limits on what people are allowed to do (as are republicans btw), and conserve the programs we have in place, regardless of whether they work or cause harm.

[Severian]

To me this suggests more that they may have heard something or received a threat, but did not want to panic people, much more than they were planning on doing something themselves.

So they're lying.

Can't trust liars in anything they say once it's proven that they lie.

[Severian]

Statism is conservatism too, really. Libertarians...

To be clear, I said liberalism.

The problem is the State and the abuse of its power by the few at the expense of the many, not one political creed or another.

[Rassah]

To me this suggests more that they may have heard something or received a threat, but did not want to panic people, much more than they were planning on doing something themselves.

So they're lying.

Can't trust liars in anything they say once it's proven that they lie.

It's not a stretch to say that politicians and governments lie.

[Rassah]

Statism is conservatism too, really. Libertarians...

To be clear, I said liberalism.

The problem is the State and the abuse of its power by the few at the expense of the many, not one political creed or another.

And I agreed, saying democrats&republicans, as opposed to libertarians. I think liberals are actually just libertarians who don't understand economics. As for statism and the state, it's all conservatism, in a sense that the people are afraid of what would happen if things were allowed to change at anyone's whim. They want a state to give them security and stability, to make illegal things they don't believe to be socially acceptable, regulate things they fear would cause harm if run unchecked, and save them from what they perceive would be the opposite of conservatism/statism: i.e. chaos. Then, as always, some asshole who thinks they know better than everyone else shows up, and screws everything up.

[Severian]

It's not a stretch to say that politicians and governments lie.

That's my point. The State can't be trusted for anything except to lie, cheat, steal, jail and murder people. And get themselves paid.

[myrkul]

Statism is conservatism too, really. Libertarians...

To be clear, I said liberalism.

Yes, but did you mean these liberals:


Or these?:

[Severian]

Yes, but did you mean these liberals:

Or these?:

Bill Clinton's ain't no liberal.

Bastiat...now there was a liberal that is the model.

[Richy_T]

That guy's neck must be crazy long.

[MysteryMiner]

You oppress, you should get fucked.

Let's start here in the US first and then worry about the rest of the world afterwards.

Exactly!

So, yeah, collateral damage sucks, and I would love if America only relied on small strike-teams of snipers going in and killing any one of those fucks (in the face, mind you), but, seriously, fuck those guys. I even don't care that they think it's their religious freedom or whatever. You oppress, you should get fucked.

How about sniper taking out that monkey in USA first? Do I need to give You rifle with scope and window with nice view? Furfag caring about other deviants in places he have no idea about.

Everyone should live how they want and in places they have. This is both to muslims and especially on americunts. What is the difference between drone bombing in Yemen and ANFO bomb in Boston?

[myrkul]

Everyone should live how they want and in places they have.

Holy shit, I think he's starting to get it.

Now, if only we can get him to realize he doesn't "have" all of Europe....

[Severian]

Now, if only we can get him to realize he doesn't "have" all of Europe....

That might be a difficult realization for someone that thinks that Nazism is based on science.

I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet: http://bostonglobe.com/business/2013/04/17/marathon-medals-for-sale-ebay-local-company-that-makes-them-horrified/qdCeDsgE17H3fZbgpJgM6M/story.html

[MysteryMiner]

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet: http://bostonglobe.com/business/2013/04/17/marathon-medals-for-sale-ebay-local-company-that-makes-them-horrified/qdCeDsgE17H3fZbgpJgM6M/story.html

It is great plan for Dr.Evil. Bomb marathon, snatch the medals and sell them on eBay. How long before blood and shrapnel stained ones appear on Black Market Reloaded?

Everyone should live how they want and in places they have.

Holy shit, I think he's starting to get it.

Now, if only we can get him to realize he doesn't "have" all of Europe....

The most basic rules are probably applicable in every part of the world. If some nation explicitly want to be destroyed and assimilated by immigrants then it is their choice. But it endangers neighboring nations also. Hitler once tried to fix France and their wrong racial politics. His army was not strong enough.

[Rassah]

I seriously just laugh-snorted so hard reading that last sentence that it really really hurt!

[myrkul]

Yeah, his army was more than strong enough to "fix" France. If he had focused on France. If France had not had allies. If he, and his allies, had not been certifiably insane, both strategically and internally.

[Rassah]

I really like how my country fixed Hitler's politics

[Littleshop]

Any theories? Anyone know anything already?

A quick article I just googled:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-marathon-explosion-20130415,0,641755.story

Of course, people are freaking out that the terrorists have struck again...

Over at this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3009479/posts?q=1&;page=588#588

They pretty much have the white cap guy figured out (as in his real name etc) and many more photos of him.  Not so much on the other guy yet.