The universal revenue

[Losvienleg]

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

[criptix]

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

It is already more or less reality in finland. We just need to sit back and study them.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/03/finland-trials-basic-income-for-unemployed

Funny is both left and right wing parties want it.

[darkangel11]

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

[criptix]

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

You dont understand what universal income is and how the related countries are implementing it.
I really would advise you to research more about it before you are posting (nonsense).

There wont be 500€ checks in nations where the average income is 100€.

Edit

Btw. You are earning 500€ with sig spamming... atleast the welfare people dont spam nonsense all day long.

[SirPol85]

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

You dont understand what universal income is and how the related countries are implementing it.
I really would advise you to research more about it before you are posting (nonsense).

There wont be 500€ checks in nations where the average income is 100€.

Edit

Btw. You are earning 500€ with sig spamming... atleast the welfare people dont spam nonsense all day long.

I think that is a modified communism. The consequences of such equalization we have seen in the example of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea. Is not the same people. One works in the store and the other in mine. They will equally earn?

[criptix]

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

You dont understand what universal income is and how the related countries are implementing it.
I really would advise you to research more about it before you are posting (nonsense).

There wont be 500€ checks in nations where the average income is 100€.

Edit

Btw. You are earning 500€ with sig spamming... atleast the welfare people dont spam nonsense all day long.

I think that is a modified communism. The consequences of such equalization we have seen in the example of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea. Is not the same people. One works in the store and the other in mine. They will equally earn?

...

We arent talking about wages.
Universal income will replace social welfare and everyone will be eligible for it.

Your example is wrong.
10 more post and you can join a sig campaign

[killyou73]

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

I think that they will devalue the currency and cause inflation on inferior goods. If all of these people are sitting at home, being unproductive members of society what will they purchase? Probably splurge every now and then and spend that $500 on a pair of jordans, but I bet the amount of alcoholics will increase in those who receive the welfare.

However, the USA as similar programs (kind of) you can get $180 cash every month and $150-$200 a month on a card that can only be used for food. This system seems to have bred poverty in innercities because all the family knows is government handouts and do not strive for anything else

[darkangel11]

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

You dont understand what universal income is and how the related countries are implementing it.
I really would advise you to research more about it before you are posting (nonsense).

There wont be 500€ checks in nations where the average income is 100€.

Edit

Btw. You are earning 500€ with sig spamming... atleast the welfare people dont spam nonsense all day long.

What a great response! You resort to calling me a spammer, because I have a different opinion. And of course no response to my argument of fish and rod and the incentive for the unemployed to stay unemployed, how typical.
The average income of €100? Look who's talking nonsense. Show me an € country with an average income of €100, even €200, I dare you.

[criptix]

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

You dont understand what universal income is and how the related countries are implementing it.
I really would advise you to research more about it before you are posting (nonsense).

There wont be 500€ checks in nations where the average income is 100€.

Edit

Btw. You are earning 500€ with sig spamming... atleast the welfare people dont spam nonsense all day long.

What a great response! You resort to calling me a spammer, because I have a different opinion. And of course no response to my argument of fish and rod and the incentive for the unemployed to stay unemployed, how typical.
The average income of €100? Look who's talking nonsense. Show me an € country with an average income of €100, even €200, I dare you.

Please. You looked like a idiot and now you look like a retard.
But ok i will explain again:

1. You are the one that said your first full time job got you 500€ per month.

2. welfare is always lower then average income.

3. Universal income replaces welfare.


@fish and rod

Care to explain why not every western and northern european is on welfare (people there get more then 500€ per month welfare)?
The answer is very easy. Social welfare is just enough to survive.
No new jordans, no vacation, no bio food, no cars.


Fact is you dont know what universal income is nor understand how people want to implement it but you are still posting nonsense. Spammer.

More questions?


Edit

Btw. Where did i say something about 500€ average income in an EU nation?

[popcorn1]

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

You dont understand what universal income is and how the related countries are implementing it.
I really would advise you to research more about it before you are posting (nonsense).

There wont be 500€ checks in nations where the average income is 100€.

Edit

Btw. You are earning 500€ with sig spamming... atleast the welfare people dont spam nonsense all day long.

What a great response! You resort to calling me a spammer, because I have a different opinion. And of course no response to my argument of fish and rod and the incentive for the unemployed to stay unemployed, how typical.
The average income of €100? Look who's talking nonsense. Show me an € country with an average income of €100, even €200, I dare you.

Your so wrong..If you give to much it will make people lazy..
Go and check how many people worked while claiming benefits..
The government had snoops who would go around checking out if people were working while claiming benefits
so they could stop that benefit..Called working on the side..

When i was growing up i knew many many people claiming while working BUT hoping they never got caught.

The government spent billions on investigators investigating people working while claiming..
THEY STILL DO..

Now how much do we pay in subsidies to big companies and banks BILLIONS every year..

give people 200 a week they will want to make 500..Give them a 1000 they will sit on butt ..

I know it would work..
And it's not just the unemployed who get it EVERYONE GETS IT even if your worth 10 million..
A billion even..Everyone gets it..

How do banks give a loan ..PRESS A FEW BUTTONS..
Humans do the work not money ..

I WILL WIN ..Universal income for all so we all got a starting point to live ..

Now if your from a country that pays low wages quarter average wage and pay that amount in benefits each week..

So we in the uk say middle class on 600 to 800 a week.. so we pay 150 to 200 a week for free

[darkangel11]

Please. You looked like a idiot and now you look like a retard.
But ok i will explain again:

Can't you really answer like a normal person without ad hominem?

1. You are the one that said your first full time job got you 500€ per month.

2. welfare is always lower then average income.

3. Universal income replaces welfare.

1. Yes, I did, and I never said it was an average income, but only that this sum (€500) was higher than my wage at the time.
2. It's still too high.
3. I'm against welfare as well, but universal income is an even dumber idea.

@fish and rod

Care to explain why not every western and northern european is on welfare (people there get more then 500€ per month welfare)?
The answer is very easy. Social welfare is just enough to survive.
No new jordans, no vacation, no bio food, no cars.

The answer is even easier: welfare is usually not infinite. If you lose your job you get welfare for a year and you have to start looking for a new one. It's also hard to get it if you haven't worked at all.
What about those people who haven't had any job and are yet to start their first one? Will they be motivated to start a minimum wage job, when they can get same money lying in bed and eating pizza?
Who is going to pay for that?

Fact is you dont know what universal income is nor understand how people want to implement it but you are still posting nonsense. Spammer.

More questions?

Fact is, you are trying to force your socialist views on others and get angry when they don't comply.

Edit

Btw. Where did i say something about 500€ average income in an EU nation?

Did you see a non EU nation with wages paid in €?
Btw. than and then have different meaning.

[darkangel11]

Your so wrong..If you give to much it will make people lazy..
Go and check how many people worked while claiming benefits..
The government had snoops who would go around checking out if people were working while claiming benefits
so they could stop that benefit..Called working on the side..

When i was growing up i knew many many people claiming while working BUT hoping they never got caught.

The government spent billions on investigators investigating people working while claiming..
THEY STILL DO..

Now how much do we pay in subsidies to big companies and banks BILLIONS every year..

give people 200 a week they will want to make 500..Give them a 1000 they will sit on butt ..

I know it would work..
And it's not just the unemployed who get it EVERYONE GETS IT even if your worth 10 million..
A billion even..Everyone gets it..

How do banks give a loan ..PRESS A FEW BUTTONS..
Humans do the work not money ..

I WILL WIN ..Universal income for all so we all got a starting point to live ..

Now if your from a country that pays low wages quarter average wage and pay that amount in benefits each week..

So we in the uk say middle class on 600 to 800 a week.. so we pay 150 to 200 a week for free

What if you don't give people said €200, does it mean they will die or turn to crime? Why would we expect to be given anything for granted? I know people, who weren't given any money from the government and none of them ended up as a beggar or a thief. Think about all those drug addicts and alcoholics, who will now start getting (like you said) 150 or 200 a week, for free. Will they start their own business or run to the dealer?
Why would you need the government to worry about your starting point? Shouldn't one's family take care of that? How did all previous generations, those that had no universal revenue, manage to start their lives?

[criptix]

In west, north and south europe welfare is not time limited. Not sure about east europe.
Additionaly you always get social welfare. You didnt had to work in the past to be eligible for social welfare.
In germany if you lose your job you will get 75% of your original wage for up to 2 years until you get infinite social welfare.
Again you dont know what you are talking about.

Germany has by far the highest social standards if you include healthcare and similiar into social welfare
(Re immigrant welfare heaven).
They have full employment - now look at nations who have time limited welfare or no welfare at all.
You literaly have 3rd world conditions relating to criminality and poverty.

Im european but most of the time im still talking in dollar terms.

I don't force anything on you. In fact i dont even care what your opinion is. Im just saying that you have no clue what you are talking about and that is why you are just a retarded (sig) spammer.


What is your argument?

Maybe something else then i dont like welfare even though im actuallly loving it in the form of sig spamming.

[popcorn1]

Do you know what AI and robots will do to the work force..3d printers.. Virtual reality..
3D printing Virtual reality machine..

Want a cup well print it..
No more factories making cups and plates and so on..YOUR MIND IS BLANK..

  This new type of 3D printing was inspired by Terminator 2 - YouTube
Video for 3d printer of the future▶ 1:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3TgmvV2ElQ


MIT Researchers Are Working On Mobile Phones That Assemble By Themselves: Imagine The Possibilities - S

 Researchers from MIT's Self-Assembly Lab are working on a mobile phone that is able to assemble itself, which is a project that opens up a lot of possibilities for its future applications.
The Self-Assembly Lab was established in 2011 by MIT department of architecture research scientist Skylar Tibbits. The lab was initially set up to work on 4D printing, which is a process that utilized 3D printers to create materials that can grow and change on their own.
MIT's Self-Assembly Lab has since acquired funding from DARPA to work on materials that can self-construct, including flat-packed furniture that can build themselves and self-lacing sneakers.
The latest project for the Self-Assembly Lab, in partnership with designer Marcelo Coelho, dabbles into consumer electronics with a self-assembling mobile phone, as reported by Fast Company.
- See more at: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/174685/20160823/mit-researchers-are-working-on-mobile-phones-that-assemble-by-themselves-imagine-the-possibilities.htm#sthash.bIUwnTik.dpuf

YOUR MINDS CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE THE FUTURE..

Living engines ..

[criptix]

Your so wrong..If you give to much it will make people lazy..
Go and check how many people worked while claiming benefits..
The government had snoops who would go around checking out if people were working while claiming benefits
so they could stop that benefit..Called working on the side..

When i was growing up i knew many many people claiming while working BUT hoping they never got caught.

The government spent billions on investigators investigating people working while claiming..
THEY STILL DO..

Now how much do we pay in subsidies to big companies and banks BILLIONS every year..

give people 200 a week they will want to make 500..Give them a 1000 they will sit on butt ..

I know it would work..
And it's not just the unemployed who get it EVERYONE GETS IT even if your worth 10 million..
A billion even..Everyone gets it..

How do banks give a loan ..PRESS A FEW BUTTONS..
Humans do the work not money ..

I WILL WIN ..Universal income for all so we all got a starting point to live ..

Now if your from a country that pays low wages quarter average wage and pay that amount in benefits each week..

So we in the uk say middle class on 600 to 800 a week.. so we pay 150 to 200 a week for free

What if you don't give people said €200, does it mean they will die or turn to crime? Why would we expect to be given anything for granted? I know people, who weren't given any money from the government and none of them ended up as a beggar or a thief. Think about all those drug addicts and alcoholics, who will now start getting (like you said) 150 or 200 a week, for free. Will they start their own business or run to the dealer?
Why would you need the government to worry about your starting point? Shouldn't one's family take care of that? How did all previous generations, those that had no universal revenue, manage to start their lives?

Because people lived in caves 50.000 years ago we should do that today too?
The difference between most of us is intelligence.

People should focuss on education and not 500€ mc donalds jobs. Until 2050 majority of manufacturing and service oriented jobs will be automated.

People will always work because they strife to have a better life. And social welfare or universal income will just make it possible to survive.

But nvm i dont think that you are able to comprehend even such an easy concept.

[JimRussell]

It's a panic policy by people who have no idea what to do with 95 IQ workers who can transition from buggy whip makers to line workers fine but can't cut it as code monkeys. The idea is to just put them all on shelves and hope they don't breed.

[darkangel11]

In west, north and south europe welfare is not time limited. Not sure about east europe.

Germany has by far the highest social standards if you include healthcare and similiar into social welfare
(Re immigrant welfare heaven).
They have full employment - now look at nations who have time limited welfare or no welfare at all.
You literaly have 3rd world conditions relating to criminality and poverty.

Im european but most of the time im still talking in dollar terms.

I don't force anything on you. In fact i dont even care what your opinion is. Im just saying that you have no clue what you are talking about and that is why you are just a retarded (sig) spammer.


What is your argument?

Germany did a great job with immigrant welfare. Now the thieves and rapists are getting paid and have a lot of free time to hunt for new prey and complain about bad wifi transfers.

I wouldn't link those 3rd world conditions to low welfare but rather to high unemployment rates and low average wages.

We were talking in Euro terms from the beginning, even the linked article is about a € country

If you don't care about my opinion, why do you keep answering my posts and quoting me? A hobby or a deviation?
I have posted my arguments in the previous posts. I thought you didn't care...

As for your frequent use of the word "spammer" it takes one to know one.

[DarkElf]

I'd like to have universal revenue it would alloy me to resign and do what I like instead of working

[criptix]

In west, north and south europe welfare is not time limited. Not sure about east europe.

Germany has by far the highest social standards if you include healthcare and similiar into social welfare
(Re immigrant welfare heaven).
They have full employment - now look at nations who have time limited welfare or no welfare at all.
You literaly have 3rd world conditions relating to criminality and poverty.

Im european but most of the time im still talking in dollar terms.

I don't force anything on you. In fact i dont even care what your opinion is. Im just saying that you have no clue what you are talking about and that is why you are just a retarded (sig) spammer.


What is your argument?

Germany did a great job with immigrant welfare. Now the thieves and rapists are getting paid and have a lot of free time to hunt for new prey and complain about bad wifi transfers.

I wouldn't link those 3rd world conditions to low welfare but rather to high unemployment rates and low average wages.

We were talking in Euro terms from the beginning, even the linked article is about a € country

If you don't care about my opinion, why do you keep answering my posts and quoting me? A hobby or a deviation?
I have posted my arguments in the previous posts. I thought you didn't care...

As for your frequent use of the word "spammer" it takes one to know one.

Communist germany the richest and strongest economy in the world. Oh the irony.

Did you read the article? It is also about canada and other nations who try it.
Canada is for sure not in Europe.

It seems you are too dumb to realize but i am calling you out on your uninformed nonsense.
Your "arguments" are just uninformed ramblings.
You are talking about a topic that you dont understand at all.
Paired with a sig campaign it makes you a idiotic sig spammer.

Also try to be more unique and dont copy my words. Yawn.

[darkangel11]

People should focuss on education and not 500€ mc donalds jobs. Until 2050 majority of manufacturing and service oriented jobs will be automated.

People will always work because they strife to have a better life. And social welfare or universal income will just make it possible to survive.

Let me get this straight, you'd like to focus on education and would like other people to not only provide schools (free education), but also pay you €500 (or whatever), so you could sustain yourself for the time of learning. What else? Maybe a girl to prepare your bath and kiss goodnight at the expense of the taxpayers?
All those people, including you, have struggled to survive without social welfare and universal income, so sad.

P.S. My campaign pays only for a couple posts a day, I'm long over that limit, so all this is for free.
If you're bored you can always stop responding and change the topic, but yet here you are....