The universal revenue

[criptix]

People should focuss on education and not 500€ mc donalds jobs. Until 2050 majority of manufacturing and service oriented jobs will be automated.

People will always work because they strife to have a better life. And social welfare or universal income will just make it possible to survive.

Let me get this straight, you'd like to focus on education and would like other people to not only provide schools (free education), but also pay you €500 (or whatever), so you could sustain yourself for the time of learning. What else? Maybe a girl to prepare your bath and kiss goodnight at the expense of the taxpayers?
All those people, including you, have struggled to survive without social welfare and universal income, so sad.

No i for sure dont need to.

People like you who earn 500€ in a full time job need to.
Be happy that i want to provide free education and some living standards to stupid people like you with my tax money.

Because if not you will be one of these no job starving beggars in the streets 20 years from now.

Like wtf. You earn your living with a fuckin sig campaign. Dont you feel ashamed to talk like that?

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[popcorn1]

Your so wrong..If you give to much it will make people lazy..
Go and check how many people worked while claiming benefits..
The government had snoops who would go around checking out if people were working while claiming benefits
so they could stop that benefit..Called working on the side..

When i was growing up i knew many many people claiming while working BUT hoping they never got caught.

The government spent billions on investigators investigating people working while claiming..
THEY STILL DO..

Now how much do we pay in subsidies to big companies and banks BILLIONS every year..

give people 200 a week they will want to make 500..Give them a 1000 they will sit on butt ..

I know it would work..
And it's not just the unemployed who get it EVERYONE GETS IT even if your worth 10 million..
A billion even..Everyone gets it..

How do banks give a loan ..PRESS A FEW BUTTONS..
Humans do the work not money ..

I WILL WIN ..Universal income for all so we all got a starting point to live ..

Now if your from a country that pays low wages quarter average wage and pay that amount in benefits each week..

So we in the uk say middle class on 600 to 800 a week.. so we pay 150 to 200 a week for free

What if you don't give people said €200, does it mean they will die or turn to crime? Why would we expect to be given anything for granted? I know people, who weren't given any money from the government and none of them ended up as a beggar or a thief. Think about all those drug addicts and alcoholics, who will now start getting (like you said) 150 or 200 a week, for free. Will they start their own business or run to the dealer?
Why would you need the government to worry about your starting point? Shouldn't one's family take care of that? How did all previous generations, those that had no universal revenue, manage to start their lives?

Lets break your questions down ..

What if you don't give people said €200, does it mean they will die or turn to crime?

No some will and some wont ..But the fact robots will replace many jobs and our future children will be able to study and pick the job they choose and also relax..Less stress for our future children..

Why would we expect to be given anything for granted?..

Because that is the future to get things for granted..Why..Because it stops humans from having stress..
What can stress do?..Make people do crazy shit ..Now why wouldn't you want a stress free world?..
It wont make people be lazy..AI will do some crazy stuff..AI CODING imagine ..

I know people, who weren't given any money from the government and none of them ended up as a beggar or a thief..So do i  me i never ended up on the street..And i can loose 150 on 1 bet and not even break out in a sweat..
Still don't mean that people that are less fortunate or lucky as you and i don't deserve a life..
And also if they got children they never asked to be brought up in this world..
And that child is my child who ever it is..Why.well that child could go on to do many great things for humanity
just we don't know it yet. So lets build a better stress free world..


Think about all those drug addicts and alcoholics, who will now start getting (like you said) 150 or 200 a week, for free. Will they start their own business or run to the dealer?
It's better than them stealing off you to pay for the drugs at least they got an income ..
Most people in life want a steady life nice children home..
Drugs come with problems..Life shit..Women left me ..Husband left me..son died ..
all sorts of reasons why people hit the drugs BUT don't forget the drink is the biggest killer..
Just not many mention the drink the trouble that causes..


Why would you need the government to worry about your starting point?..
Because the politicians get free money i pay them out my tax to do as i say the people.
The government is put there by the people to do what the people tell them..
It's their job to worry about the people or whats the point in a politician ?..

Shouldn't one's family take care of that?..Well what if no jobs around or to low paid to pay for rent..
At least with 200 i can stick around or move but i will still not suffer..No stress for our future children..
I could end up a famous poet ..Wont be one if i got to work in chicken factory..
Giving our future children free choice not forced choice ..


How did all previous generations, those that had no universal revenue, manage to start their lives?

Well many year ago i could build myself a home and go hunting..
But someone come along and said i cannot go and hunt and kill any animal and also i am not allowed to just build a home i need money to have a home..
Now some come up with many ideas to make money like slaves churches kings and queens
Yes all causing trouble for the poor people..

Like slaves.. they made loads of money then they invested that money into some of the big companies you see today..But that's ok with you..

Kings and queens killed everyone and stole there lands and gold..
And still they are in power collecting taxes off the land they stole..

Churches stole lands many years ago for god and still they collect taxes to this day..Land tax..
Bankers stole every ones money then got bailed out while giving themselves huge bonuses ..
Politicians stealing money and passing it down to there children then the children invest in a weapons company set up by their father..Yes and we end up buying them..

Now the little guy will be honest and go to work 9 to 5 ..He will always get shit on he got no chance to make it..Unless he does a bank job..And some people in life will take that chance..More so than ever..
3K home in the 1990s cost 85 to 90k now..

So what chances do the young have at owning a home?..

I am glad you have made it in life but many haven't..So lets give our children a better future..
Stress less future ..

[Sithara007]

I'd like to have universal revenue it would alloy me to resign and do what I like instead of working

It is not viable in the long term. If 90% of the people resign from their jobs and try to live off their benefits, then the government will soon run out of money for these type of handouts.

As for your frequent use of the word "spammer" it takes one to know one.

You compare his posts to those made by the people whom he accuses of spamming. You will notice that the latter category of posts are having much better quality than the former. Most of his posts are just verbal abuse directed against the other users. The reason why I have added him to the ignore list. Not worth the time and effort arguing with him.

[popcorn1]

I'd like to have universal revenue it would alloy me to resign and do what I like instead of working

It is not viable in the long term. If 90% of the people resign from their jobs and try to live off their benefits, then the government will soon run out of money for these type of handouts.

As for your frequent use of the word "spammer" it takes one to know one.

You compare his posts to those made by the people whom he accuses of spamming. You will notice that the latter category of posts are having much better quality than the former. Most of his posts are just verbal abuse directed against the other users. The reason why I have added him to the ignore list. Not worth the time and effort arguing with him.

Why do people want to make more money..Do people just stop making money when they get to 200
No you want millions most people do.. ..
So sorry 90% would never sit on their butts..

Man the whole planet would just make 200 and do nothing according to you..
Everyone wants to be rich..Have you ever heard money makes money

[criptix]

As for your frequent use of the word "spammer" it takes one to know one.

You compare his posts to those made by the people whom he accuses of spamming. You will notice that the latter category of posts are having much better quality than the former. Most of his posts are just verbal abuse directed against the other users. The reason why I have added him to the ignore list. Not worth the time and effort arguing with him.

Yawn.
You are known as one of the worst posters on this board who is also a putin shill. Nobody cares what you say or who you have ignored.
Sig spamming russian troll.

[Xester]

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

If that were true then I will love to migrate to their country. I am working 8 hours a day, 7 days a week and I only earn €194 a month. While in that country even if you are jobless you will receive €500 monthly. How lucky are those guys, they are not working yet they will receive 4x of what my salary is giving me. This is kinda unfair to the workers who work so hard, the government instead of giving them money why not give them work instead that way their potentials will be useful and at the same they will earn something from their hard work.

[noel2123]

This is giving people a fish instead of a rod. A ridiculous idea in my opinion.
It encourages the unemployed to remain as they are, because if they could somehow manage with no job and no money, why should they start looking for one if they get paid every month regardless of what they choose to do? €500 is a large sum, I haven't been earning this much in my first full-time job, so If I were offered this money for free I would have stayed at home and maybe work from there part-time.

If that were true then I will love to migrate to their country. I am working 8 hours a day, 7 days a week and I only earn €194 a month. While in that country even if you are jobless you will receive €500 monthly. How lucky are those guys, they are not working yet they will receive 4x of what my salary is giving me. This is kinda unfair to the workers who work so hard, the government instead of giving them money why not give them work instead that way their potentials will be useful and at the same they will earn something from their hard work.

It is true that all revenues, are this kind sometimes. We all this kind of revenues, we see that politicians or some local government are this kind. We shall know what is the true characteristics of our revenues. What are their laws to be implemented, and it is worthy to us ?

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[criptix]

 

I bet you hate bankers and big banks right? 

[21kevin21]

 

I bet you hate bankers and big banks right? 

Bankers hate everything, but at the same time drawn to them for money. Why? Maybe it's not the bankers? They should limit themselves in their desires? Remember that if you want to buy something on credit you want to use does not deserve it.

[Losvienleg]

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

I think that they will devalue the currency and cause inflation on inferior goods. If all of these people are sitting at home, being unproductive members of society what will they purchase? Probably splurge every now and then and spend that $500 on a pair of jordans, but I bet the amount of alcoholics will increase in those who receive the welfare.

However, the USA as similar programs (kind of) you can get $180 cash every month and $150-$200 a month on a card that can only be used for food. This system seems to have bred poverty in innercities because all the family knows is government handouts and do not strive for anything else

Why do you think that this will create an inflation ? More money will not be printed to sustain the needs, so I think that it will at the inverse incentivise people to consumate.

[Hydrogen]

The government has more land than it needs.

The best approach is to donate state land to volunteer organized communal farms which can grow food to sustain the poor.

Then other forms barter, trade or education can be incorporated as an abstraction layer on top of that to prevent it from being a dead end existence.

Universal income is a bad system. There are no metrics nor incentives for socialised programs to be efficient or cost effective & that is a significant problem.

[SameHow]

The government has more land than it needs.

The best approach is to donate state land to volunteer organized communal farms which can grow food to sustain the poor.

Then other forms barter, trade or education can be incorporated as an abstraction layer on top of that to prevent it from being a dead end existence.

Universal income is a bad system. There are no metrics nor incentives for socialised programs to be efficient or cost effective & that is a significant problem.

I agree with you. The worst thing that can ruin any business is egalitarianism. A lack of stimulus will cause all to stop working. Just income should not have a big gap between all employees.

[hardtime]

Never going to be adopted around the world and I pray that it never is, paying people just for the purpose of giving them money is just a bunch of horseshit and anyone with half a brain should understand that.

I get that if you're disabled and unable to work for that money I get it, but if you're fully able to work and EARN then you should have to. Giving out money is not going to help anyone and it's just going to further the problem present.

[HabBear]

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

What? I'm confused.

Europe already has a universal revenue - it's called The Euro, from the European Union.

What am I missing?

[criptix]

The government has more land than it needs.

The best approach is to donate state land to volunteer organized communal farms which can grow food to sustain the poor.

Then other forms barter, trade or education can be incorporated as an abstraction layer on top of that to prevent it from being a dead end existence.

Communism doesnt work. That is what the sowjets did for 50 years. It just doesnt work.

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

What? I'm confused.

Europe already has a universal revenue - it's called The Euro, from the European Union.

What am I missing?

Well you are kinda right, its called social welfare for the poor and bailout for the rich.
But people want to go abolish that and replace it by an easier to understand universal income system.

[Veider_lord]

The government has more land than it needs.

The best approach is to donate state land to volunteer organized communal farms which can grow food to sustain the poor.

Then other forms barter, trade or education can be incorporated as an abstraction layer on top of that to prevent it from being a dead end existence.

Communism doesnt work. That is what the sowjets did for 50 years. It just doesnt work.

There is more and more people in Europe pledging for an universal revenue. Benoît Hamon, one of the favourite candidates for 2017 French presidential election is for exemple defending it. So there is a probability that next year France could adopt it. I would like to hear your friendly or hostile positions toward this proposition.

What? I'm confused.

Europe already has a universal revenue - it's called The Euro, from the European Union.

What am I missing?

Well you are kinda right, its called social welfare for the poor and bailout for the rich.
But people want to go abolish that and replace it by an easier to understand universal income system.

You probably forgot that Europe is experiencing not the best times. Let's see what the Europeans are doing now. Tightening the process of crossing borders, UK leaves the EU, France is also important.

[hexitor]

I don't agree to the universal revenue because I think that encourage the peoples  stop to work  !!!!

[AT-N-T101]

I don't agree to the universal revenue because I think that encourage the peoples  stop to work  !!!!

The Communists had when you tried to create a state with such egalitarianism. What impact it had we all know. It seems to me that all earnings should be different, but it should be possible for all to have a large or small income.

[ridery99]

I don't agree to the universal revenue because I think that encourage the peoples  stop to work  !!!!

The Communists had when you tried to create a state with such egalitarianism. What impact it had we all know. It seems to me that all earnings should be different, but it should be possible for all to have a large or small income.

Communism will always fail. A society, in which a banker, who doesn't create anything gets 95% of the money, engineer who creates gets 3%, and worker gets 2% is sustainable. If others are not slaves to the bankers then society will fail. This is the "American model".