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February 08, 2017, 02:36:34 PM
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This actually not a bad idea...

But I fail to understand why you're doing this.
Arbitrage betting is difficult mainly because it's hard to spot the bets on which you can actually make an arbitrage.
But when you've done it... You can win a big amount without any risk.

So why sharing this data with others? Every time you share this data you also give to sportbookers indications on how avoiding betting arbitrage. Why ruining your business for a monthly fee?

Rebelbetting has 95,000 customers that's more money than can be made placing arbs.

We're hoping to get 1,000-3,000 customers, then the amount we would be making would be similar to how much we can make arbing or surpass it altogether.


Ok fair enough.

I've put mail into your site. Will see how you present the concept further.

Thanks!

We've sent you a discount for subscribing.

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February 08, 2017, 07:03:35 PM
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20% profit opportunity available right now.

Proof:


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_s7TcFO7ugRSzRpTTFlWTNEd3c/view


With about $300 you would've made the monthly cost back already.

In the video, you'll see 'Adjusted Middle' and an arrow that links two numbers.

For example, 20.044 -> -4.6%, the profit you will receive is the 20.044% profit if you distribute your stake according to the proportions we specify in the sheet.

The negative number can be ignored.

(If you want to know what it represents: it's a calculation used for three way moneyline. Which does not apply to handicap bets, because they include other events such as stake refund or half stake refund).

Powerbet.io are well know for limiting users and voiding bets. Also they have a Event limit of just 200 mBTC in most cases.
Cloudbet are well knows for showing you a higher odds and when you want to place a bet - offering you a lower odds as correction.


Without a few trial you will find it very hard to gain clients from here. First because of those problems with the bookies and second  because of lack of clients knowledge exactly what they need to do.

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February 08, 2017, 08:19:23 PM
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20% profit opportunity available right now.

Proof:


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_s7TcFO7ugRSzRpTTFlWTNEd3c/view


With about $300 you would've made the monthly cost back already.

In the video, you'll see 'Adjusted Middle' and an arrow that links two numbers.

For example, 20.044 -> -4.6%, the profit you will receive is the 20.044% profit if you distribute your stake according to the proportions we specify in the sheet.

The negative number can be ignored.

(If you want to know what it represents: it's a calculation used for three way moneyline. Which does not apply to handicap bets, because they include other events such as stake refund or half stake refund).

Powerbet.io are well know for limiting users and voiding bets. Also they have a Event limit of just 200 mBTC in most cases.
Cloudbet are well knows for showing you a higher odds and when you want to place a bet - offering you a lower odds as correction.


Without a few trial you will find it very hard to gain clients from here. First because of those problems with the bookies and second  because of lack of clients knowledge exactly what they need to do.


Hello,

Yes we know this. That is why for almost all instances of an arbitrage opportunity with powerbet, we include a similar one with cloudbet/fairlay/nitrogensports


Please check the videos posted here to see this for yourself.

We recommend that our customers never place large stakes on powerbet, and only on one event (using round numbers or .5 if possible).


For Cloudbet, we also advise our customers to check odds at checkout before placing a bet.


We've already given out trials, and have already received paying clients from here.


For proof we've posted live videos.


The problem with the bookies is solved by offering multiple alternative bookies, and we will be glad to explain in greater detail what clients need to do.

We've clarified what the customers need to do on the front page, let us know if this is clear enough.



Regards


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February 08, 2017, 11:03:00 PM
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Ok, what about this?

(No point including some of the BTC sportsbooks that offer ridiculously low value odds - opportunity of finding arbs on better books is wasted)
So you will be using Fairlay, Cloudbet, Nitrogen and any UltraPlay book? No other ones with good value AFAIK.

I checked the email I got yesterday, and while I "subscribed" when it showed that I would get the first month free, the email said I would get only 30% off. Why is this?

Indeed, experienced arbers will agree that most arbs come from a small selection of books - they are no way near evenly distributed, and do not scale linearly.
Very true. The ones I mentioned (and CoinBet24, who limits you) are pretty much the ones that give the most arbs. Maybe jetwin sometimes, but I haven't personally used them.

When I gave my email the offer was also "get the first month free". Now you don't even have a single trial. And I guess you've collected a lot of personal and very targeted information /emails of bettors/ by this "promise".

Even your twitter is stating
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We've finally launched! Want Risk-Free #bitcoin #cryptocurrency Betting Signals? - Grab A Trial Week at https://www.satoshisignals.com/index.html

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February 08, 2017, 11:14:04 PM
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Ok, what about this?

(No point including some of the BTC sportsbooks that offer ridiculously low value odds - opportunity of finding arbs on better books is wasted)
So you will be using Fairlay, Cloudbet, Nitrogen and any UltraPlay book? No other ones with good value AFAIK.

I checked the email I got yesterday, and while I "subscribed" when it showed that I would get the first month free, the email said I would get only 30% off. Why is this?

Indeed, experienced arbers will agree that most arbs come from a small selection of books - they are no way near evenly distributed, and do not scale linearly.
Very true. The ones I mentioned (and CoinBet24, who limits you) are pretty much the ones that give the most arbs. Maybe jetwin sometimes, but I haven't personally used them.

When I gave my email the offer was also "get the first month free". Now you don't even have a single trial. And I guess you've collected a lot of personal and very targeted information /emails of bettors/ by this "promise".

Even your twitter is stating
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We've finally launched! Want Risk-Free #bitcoin #cryptocurrency Betting Signals? - Grab A Trial Week at https://www.satoshisignals.com/index.html

Wanted to add that while I did get a 2-3 day trial, it isn't anywhere close to the 1 month that you offered. It's pretty bad to lie about your offers just to grab emails for free, and you should definitely fix this. My trial is also so I could vouch it, as they PMed me and asked me if I would take a trial and give a vouch.



The 2 different arbs available right now use PowerBet.io and don't offer a Fairlay/Cloudbet alternative. Will check in a bit to see if there are new ones

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February 08, 2017, 11:14:57 PM
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Ok, what about this?

(No point including some of the BTC sportsbooks that offer ridiculously low value odds - opportunity of finding arbs on better books is wasted)
So you will be using Fairlay, Cloudbet, Nitrogen and any UltraPlay book? No other ones with good value AFAIK.

I checked the email I got yesterday, and while I "subscribed" when it showed that I would get the first month free, the email said I would get only 30% off. Why is this?

Indeed, experienced arbers will agree that most arbs come from a small selection of books - they are no way near evenly distributed, and do not scale linearly.
Very true. The ones I mentioned (and CoinBet24, who limits you) are pretty much the ones that give the most arbs. Maybe jetwin sometimes, but I haven't personally used them.

When I gave my email the offer was also "get the first month free". Now you don't even have a single trial. And I guess you've collected a lot of personal and very targeted information /emails of bettors/ by this "promise".

Even your twitter is stating
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We've finally launched! Want Risk-Free #bitcoin #cryptocurrency Betting Signals? - Grab A Trial Week at https://www.satoshisignals.com/index.html

Some people subscribed while we were offering 30% off, others during the free-trial promise.

Apologies for this.

Sent you a PM, will give you a free trial.

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February 08, 2017, 11:16:35 PM
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Ok, what about this?

(No point including some of the BTC sportsbooks that offer ridiculously low value odds - opportunity of finding arbs on better books is wasted)
So you will be using Fairlay, Cloudbet, Nitrogen and any UltraPlay book? No other ones with good value AFAIK.

I checked the email I got yesterday, and while I "subscribed" when it showed that I would get the first month free, the email said I would get only 30% off. Why is this?

Indeed, experienced arbers will agree that most arbs come from a small selection of books - they are no way near evenly distributed, and do not scale linearly.
Very true. The ones I mentioned (and CoinBet24, who limits you) are pretty much the ones that give the most arbs. Maybe jetwin sometimes, but I haven't personally used them.

When I gave my email the offer was also "get the first month free". Now you don't even have a single trial. And I guess you've collected a lot of personal and very targeted information /emails of bettors/ by this "promise".

Even your twitter is stating
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We've finally launched! Want Risk-Free #bitcoin #cryptocurrency Betting Signals? - Grab A Trial Week at https://www.satoshisignals.com/index.html

Wanted to add that while I did get a 2-3 day trial, it isn't anywhere close to the 1 month that you offered. It's pretty bad to lie about your offers just to grab emails for free, and you should definitely fix this. My trial is also so I could vouch it, as they PMed me and asked me if I would take a trial and give a vouch.

Didn't intend to lie, but costs are higher than previously expected (which is why we launched so late). So we decided to no longer offer it.


Nevertheless, we apologize for this.

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February 08, 2017, 11:23:14 PM
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Ok, what about this?

(No point including some of the BTC sportsbooks that offer ridiculously low value odds - opportunity of finding arbs on better books is wasted)
So you will be using Fairlay, Cloudbet, Nitrogen and any UltraPlay book? No other ones with good value AFAIK.

I checked the email I got yesterday, and while I "subscribed" when it showed that I would get the first month free, the email said I would get only 30% off. Why is this?

Indeed, experienced arbers will agree that most arbs come from a small selection of books - they are no way near evenly distributed, and do not scale linearly.
Very true. The ones I mentioned (and CoinBet24, who limits you) are pretty much the ones that give the most arbs. Maybe jetwin sometimes, but I haven't personally used them.

When I gave my email the offer was also "get the first month free". Now you don't even have a single trial. And I guess you've collected a lot of personal and very targeted information /emails of bettors/ by this "promise".

Even your twitter is stating
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We've finally launched! Want Risk-Free #bitcoin #cryptocurrency Betting Signals? - Grab A Trial Week at https://www.satoshisignals.com/index.html

Regarding a 'Trial Week' on Twitter that was a Twitter only promotion.

Which is why we didn't post it here.

We also intended to delete it yesterday.

Please note that we do all of the support/social media marketing/payment processing ourselves, so we are sometimes slow to remove old information.

Apologies for the inconvenience.

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February 08, 2017, 11:25:23 PM
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Ok, what about this?

(No point including some of the BTC sportsbooks that offer ridiculously low value odds - opportunity of finding arbs on better books is wasted)
So you will be using Fairlay, Cloudbet, Nitrogen and any UltraPlay book? No other ones with good value AFAIK.

I checked the email I got yesterday, and while I "subscribed" when it showed that I would get the first month free, the email said I would get only 30% off. Why is this?

Indeed, experienced arbers will agree that most arbs come from a small selection of books - they are no way near evenly distributed, and do not scale linearly.
Very true. The ones I mentioned (and CoinBet24, who limits you) are pretty much the ones that give the most arbs. Maybe jetwin sometimes, but I haven't personally used them.

When I gave my email the offer was also "get the first month free". Now you don't even have a single trial. And I guess you've collected a lot of personal and very targeted information /emails of bettors/ by this "promise".

Even your twitter is stating
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We've finally launched! Want Risk-Free #bitcoin #cryptocurrency Betting Signals? - Grab A Trial Week at https://www.satoshisignals.com/index.html

Wanted to add that while I did get a 2-3 day trial, it isn't anywhere close to the 1 month that you offered. It's pretty bad to lie about your offers just to grab emails for free, and you should definitely fix this. My trial is also so I could vouch it, as they PMed me and asked me if I would take a trial and give a vouch.



The 2 different arbs available right now use PowerBet.io and don't offer a Fairlay/Cloudbet alternative. Will check in a bit to see if there are new ones

Powerbet accepts bet from normal users.

So if you place a bet on a fairly popular event, in round numbers you should be fine.

As there will be no way to distinguish between you and a normal bettor.

We have been doing this since August. No closures, no bans.

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February 08, 2017, 11:38:21 PM
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Didn't intend to lie, but costs are higher than previously expected (which is why we launched so late). So we decided to no longer offer it.


Nevertheless, we apologize for this.

That's a really dumb excuse.

You offered people something in exchange for their emails, and decided to not stay with your word. First red flag - would you trust a company that offers something that you took, and then went back on it? Probably not, as the promise was made then and there.

You then took those emails you got from the promise of 1 month of signals for free, and used them for promotion? I got an email 2 days ago telling me that you guys were launched, and I could get 30% off. Second red flag. You took their emails in exchange for a free month when you launched, and now are using them, but you fulfilled your promise.


You should at least give them something, like a reduced 2 week period. People might understand then, but giving them nothing in return really sucks.



Might try PowerBet arbs later, but I'm not risking losing potentially 200 mBTC for 0.4% profit.

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February 08, 2017, 11:47:29 PM
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Didn't intend to lie, but costs are higher than previously expected (which is why we launched so late). So we decided to no longer offer it.


Nevertheless, we apologize for this.

That's a really dumb excuse.

You offered people something in exchange for their emails, and decided to not stay with your word. First red flag - would you trust a company that offers something that you took, and then went back on it? Probably not, as the promise was made then and there.

You then took those emails you got from the promise of 1 month of signals for free, and used them for promotion? I got an email 2 days ago telling me that you guys were launched, and I could get 30% off. Second red flag. You took their emails in exchange for a free month when you launched, and now are using them, but you fulfilled your promise.


You should at least give them something, like a reduced 2 week period. People might understand then, but giving them nothing in return really sucks.



Might try PowerBet arbs later, but I'm not risking losing potentially 200 mBTC for 0.4% profit.


We gave 30% off to make up for it. That isn't nothing.

People are already paying full prices, so 30% off is a discount.

But yes, I understand your dissatisfaction. Though our financial situation is as it is.


However, you're using our service, so you know that it works.


So the notion  of a "red flag" is bizarre.


We accept Paypal and paying customers can dispute a payment if they don't trust us. Paypal is very Buyer Friendly.


We've even filmed the interface ourselves. And gave you a free trial, so that you can report what you see.

If you are unhappy with the free trial we're offering please let us know.

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February 09, 2017, 01:59:57 AM
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But yes, I understand your dissatisfaction. Though our financial situation is as it is.
However, you're using our service, so you know that it works.
So the notion  of a "red flag" is bizarre.

If you are unhappy with the free trial we're offering please let us know.

No, don't get me wrong - the service is pretty good (when it finds arbs at least, I think it's been sittting without arbs for ~1 hour). I'm just kinda disappointed at how your handling your previous promises, and I was angry at something else when I wrote that post, so my use of "red flag" is probably a bad term. My apologies for that.

Hopefully it finds some non PowerBet arbs soon, so I can get a chance to test it out. Have you considered running a service where you pay per arb? Like lets say your bot finds a 5% arb. Someone can see that there's a 5% arb, go to your site, buy it for X BTC, and use it. Almost guaranteed that they can use it, unlike a subscription service where you might miss all the good ones.

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February 09, 2017, 02:05:28 AM
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But yes, I understand your dissatisfaction. Though our financial situation is as it is.
However, you're using our service, so you know that it works.
So the notion  of a "red flag" is bizarre.

If you are unhappy with the free trial we're offering please let us know.

No, don't get me wrong - the service is pretty good (when it finds arbs at least, I think it's been sittting without arbs for ~1 hour). I'm just kinda disappointed at how your handling your previous promises, and I was angry at something else when I wrote that post, so my use of "red flag" is probably a bad term. My apologies for that.

Hopefully it finds some non PowerBet arbs soon, so I can get a chance to test it out. Have you considered running a service where you pay per arb? Like lets say your bot finds a 5% arb. Someone can see that there's a 5% arb, go to your site, buy it for X BTC, and use it. Almost guaranteed that they can use it, unlike a subscription service where you might miss all the good ones.

That's an excellent idea!

Will give some thought into implementing this in practice.

Thanks

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February 09, 2017, 06:59:32 AM
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A nice day with constant opportunities  Cool

Video:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_s7TcFO7ugRc1BaQk9vb0VrQ0E/view

So far I've been unsuccessfully fishing for arbs in your videos. The odds keep on changing since I am too slow to manually go to the links. I need to find out if prescribed links speed up the process quick enough to avoid the situation where one odd lowers because a bookie detects an arb.

Could you give me a 3 day trial for $10 so I can test your tips and also get familiar with the interface if I decide to buy a plan later?
(I also have one question: In the 4th column, are those text boxes used to help the user calculate how much he should bet on each option?)

Opportunities around 15 minutes on average, video was just to prove that these opportunities exist.

Also, there are opportunities every few minutes, so this isn't an issue.

Prescribed links do indeed speed up the process. You'll get there before the bookie.

Sure PM me I can give you such a trial.

Yes, they help the user to calculate opportunities.

Sorry for replying so late. I am returning home right now and can send a TX in 30 mins.

Edit: thought this was the PM page xd typing on a bus has its disadvantages.

Edit 2: Still waiting for a reply from CBS.
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February 09, 2017, 10:21:56 AM
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A nice day with constant opportunities  Cool

Video:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_s7TcFO7ugRc1BaQk9vb0VrQ0E/view

So far I've been unsuccessfully fishing for arbs in your videos. The odds keep on changing since I am too slow to manually go to the links. I need to find out if prescribed links speed up the process quick enough to avoid the situation where one odd lowers because a bookie detects an arb.

Could you give me a 3 day trial for $10 so I can test your tips and also get familiar with the interface if I decide to buy a plan later?
(I also have one question: In the 4th column, are those text boxes used to help the user calculate how much he should bet on each option?)

Opportunities around 15 minutes on average, video was just to prove that these opportunities exist.

Also, there are opportunities every few minutes, so this isn't an issue.

Prescribed links do indeed speed up the process. You'll get there before the bookie.

Sure PM me I can give you such a trial.

Yes, they help the user to calculate opportunities.

Sorry for replying so late. I am returning home right now and can send a TX in 30 mins.

Edit: thought this was the PM page xd typing on a bus has its disadvantages.

Edit 2: Still waiting for a reply from CBS.

Replied!

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February 09, 2017, 01:07:46 PM
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How our service works, described in detail: https://www.satoshisignals.com/howthisworks.html

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February 09, 2017, 03:02:28 PM
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oh so you finally launched guys !! been waiting since November I guess and I was promised to get free trial  Cheesy
so are you giving free trials or I have to pay to test the service ??

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February 09, 2017, 03:21:55 PM
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oh so you finally launched guys !! been waiting since November I guess and I was promised to get free trial  Cheesy
so are you giving free trials or I have to pay to test the service ??

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February 10, 2017, 06:17:38 PM
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Have given out several free-trials!

Vouches should be coming through.

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February 10, 2017, 07:36:25 PM
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the site is really doing great job , I relieved a free trial for a day and it's really good the ROI so far isn't that high but technically it's free money
the main problem I found that the site includes powerbet in so many bets , actually most of the bets involves powerbet which is really risky to play there but it's not a big deal
also anyone knows what bankroll should be good to ROI when using the monthly subscription ? 

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