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April 17, 2013, 10:06:55 AM
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April 17, 2013, 10:12:37 AM
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This could be a decisive reversal. We'll see...
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April 17, 2013, 10:13:35 AM
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i posted this in the new hardcore thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg1862366#msg1862366

thank's for drawing the lines! although, the case hasn't been quite resolved yet … we'll see. this could also be the beginning of an upside down cup, like before.
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April 17, 2013, 10:29:39 AM
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I've been watching that painful down channel for days, finally broken up!  Grin
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April 17, 2013, 10:33:22 AM
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My idea:



We are not going up. Not yet.

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April 17, 2013, 10:39:52 AM
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Crash = bear trap.

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April 17, 2013, 10:41:31 AM
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My idea:



We are not going up. Not yet.

The price was being held down under the down channel upper wall very well. In your chart the price isn't actually hitting the upper line at all for most of the last week. I think your upper line needs to be lower, in which case the price just broke through it.
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April 17, 2013, 10:43:20 AM
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The price was being held down under the down channel upper wall very well. In your chart the price isn't actually hitting the upper line at all for most of the last week. I think your upper line needs to be lower, in which case the price just broke through it.
You are correct, but it could reverse anytime now. It's not a mind blowing breakout, it's a little breakout of little significance. IMO.

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April 17, 2013, 10:44:51 AM
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30-min PVT says something big is brewing...

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this is the decisive moment... the only question is -- up or down?


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April 17, 2013, 10:45:17 AM
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The price was being held down under the down channel upper wall very well. In your chart the price isn't actually hitting the upper line at all for most of the last week. I think your upper line needs to be lower, in which case the price just broke through it.
You are correct, but it could reverse anytime now. It's not a mind blowing breakout, it's a little breakout of little significance. IMO.
Yeah, it hasn't been an explosion, but I think it is simply the recovery of confidence slowly building up. We will have to see how it all plays out of course.  Cheesy
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April 17, 2013, 10:49:58 AM
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to all the newbies drawing trendlines and triangles -- just some tips:

1. you need at least two points of contact. a line is defined by two points so you can draw any line you want about one (this is not rigorous enough, obviously). further, if your line only has two points of contact, it is not as robust as a model that has more.

2. sometimes wicks (shadows) contain outliers. try to imagine the distribution of the data and draw lines accordingly -- it's TA, not connect-the-dots. beware of apophenia. just because you see a pattern doesn't mean it's a proper, predictive, or particularly robust model.

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April 17, 2013, 11:07:43 AM
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to all the newbies drawing trendlines and triangles -- just some tips:

1. you need at least two points of contact. a line is defined by two points so you can draw any line you want about one (this is no rigorous enough, obviously). further, if your line only has two points of contact, it is not as robust of a model that has more.

2. sometimes wicks (shadows) contain outliers. try to imagine the distribution of the data and draw lines accordingly -- it's TA, not connect-the-dots. beware of apophenia. just because you see a pattern doesn't mean it's a proper, predictive, or particularly robust model.

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April 17, 2013, 11:44:40 AM
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1. you need at least two points of contact. …

2. sometimes wicks (shadows) contain outliers. try to imagine the distribution of the data and draw lines accordingly …
… and if you know a bit about models and fitting: i see this as an approximation problem. e.g. take all the max-points for a given sliding and overlapping interval (i.e. "top points") and approximate them via a linear function. (it's also linear if you take the logarithm). then, the residual could be calculated using the L-1 or L-2 norm. L-1 referrs to point 1 of arepo, L-2 is his/her second point.
Advanced data fitters might also consider to assign weights to the points, e.g. the last points have an exponentially higher weight than the first ones. e.g. in python/numpy: np.exp(np.linspace(-1, 0, 10)) if you have 10 points.
in python's "statsmodesl" it's OLS and WLS.
… and if you have more points to fit and want to take outliers into account, look into RLS: http://statsmodels.sourceforge.net/devel/examples/generated/example_rlm.html
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April 17, 2013, 01:24:11 PM
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What am I say? 90!
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