Bitcoin Forum
November 18, 2017, 09:11:37 AM *
News: Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.15.1  [Torrent].
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: « 1 [2] 3 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: Genesis Mining?  (Read 3334 times)
Vaccinus
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 406



View Profile
February 18, 2017, 10:51:41 AM
 #21

Genesis is scam.
May be we can't call them scam right now, but it is true that mining contract with them may get terminated if it doesn't earn enough to cover maintenance expenses. Also they don't have transparency about total mining power they actually own and amount of contracts they have already sold. May be they are selling more than what they actually have.

and not only that, they also seems to have very expesive contract, that will never break even because the roi time is too long, and this make me wonder that they are not selling that much like you said

1510996297
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1510996297

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1510996297
Reply with quote  #2

1510996297
Report to moderator
1510996297
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1510996297

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1510996297
Reply with quote  #2

1510996297
Report to moderator
Coinlancer is Disrupting the Freelance marketplace!
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1510996297
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1510996297

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1510996297
Reply with quote  #2

1510996297
Report to moderator
1510996297
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1510996297

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1510996297
Reply with quote  #2

1510996297
Report to moderator
tk88one
Jr. Member
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 37


View Profile
February 19, 2017, 01:25:25 PM
 #22

Almost always better to buy bitcoin and hold instead of mining. If you want your bitcoin to grow a good idea would also be to invest in a known trusthworthy online bitcoin casino bankroll. Fue to the house edge, in the long run the casinos almost always win. So if your in for the long run if you invest in the casino bankroll youll end up woth more then you invested.
gandame
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 532



View Profile
February 19, 2017, 02:06:40 PM
 #23

Almost always better to buy bitcoin and hold instead of mining. If you want your bitcoin to grow a good idea would also be to invest in a known trusthworthy online bitcoin casino bankroll. Fue to the house edge, in the long run the casinos almost always win. So if your in for the long run if you invest in the casino bankroll youll end up woth more then you invested.


I agree that its better to hold your bitcoin rather than mining because its more profitable compared to mining. Nowadays miners equipment is not that profitable compared from previous past years because that time electricity is not expensive not like now its more expensive. There were mining sites offering investments but still turns out to scam people, and worst is ponzi schemes were very often happening to people being engaged.

           ▄▄███████▄▄
        ▄███▀▀
▄▄▄▄    ▀▄
     ▄▄█████████████▄▄  ▀▄
  ▄▀▀██▀           ▀▀██▄▄▀▄
▄▀  ██                 ▀██
  ██       ▀▀█▀▀         █
█▀        █ █ █        ▄█▀▄
▀▄         █ █ █       ▄█  █
 ██         █▄▄▄█      ▄█  ▄▀
  ██▄                ▄█▀  ▄▀
  ▀▄▀██▄▄          ▄█▀  ▄▀
   ▀▄ ▀▀███▄▄▄▄▄▄█████▀▀
     ▀▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
.UTRUST.▀████████▄
  ▀███████▄
    ▀██████▄
      ▀██████
       ▀█████
        ▀████▄
         █████
          ▀███
           ███
           ▀██
            ██
             █
             █
●  Download WHITEPAPER  ●
▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ ▼ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
facebook      twitter      slack
▀████████▄
  ▀███████▄
    ▀██████▄
      ▀██████
       ▀█████
        ▀████▄
         █████
          ▀███
           ███
           ▀██
            ██
             █
             █
carlisle1
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 588


★YoBit.Net★ 350+ Coins Exchange & Dice


View Profile
February 20, 2017, 01:39:14 AM
 #24

Hello!

I'm thinking of getting into Bitcoin but I don't feel like buying the hardware of an S5 to get started. Has anyone had any luck with a cloud service like Genesis Mining?

What are your thoughts?

as far as I know they are running their services since a few years ago and there are also many good reviews about it before but now I don't know if it is still the same because most people nowadays are saying that investing in genesis-mining is not profitable and it would took you several months to get your ROI . so far, I guess it is much better if you are going to just keep your coin steady in your wallet or invest it to much better systems .

Sadlife
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 322


Why so serious?


View Profile
February 20, 2017, 05:59:30 AM
 #25

You can earn a good amount of bitcoin here in bitcointalk community instead of investing a large amount of money in cloud mining sites. If you try calculating your ROI you will find out that you'll only lose your profit instead of gaining from it due to the increasing difficulty in mining bitcoins.

That's why Mining services doesnt put any calculator on their sites cause even them couldn't calculate what would be the result of your invested money they dont show any transparency to its users and doesnt let you pick your desired mining pool.
They wont even show you the actual mining power they have and worst part is they maybe selling services that they cant afford to give.



                                         ▄
                 ▄▄████████▄▄         ▄▄██
 ▄▄           ▄██▀▀        ▀▀██▄    ▄███▀
 ▀███▄▄     ▄█▀                ▀█▄▄█████▀
  ▀██████▄▄█▀                ▄▄███████▀
   ▐█████████▄           ▄▄███████████
     ▀█████████▄▄      ▄█████████████
       ▀██████████    ███████████████
        ▐▀█████████  █████████████▀ ▐▌
        ▐▌ ▀▀██████ ▐███████████▀   ▐▌
        ▐▌      ▀██ ▐█████████▀     ▐▌
         █        ▀  ██████         █
         ▐█          ▐█████▄       █▌
          ▀█▄         ▀██████▄   ▄█▀
            ▀█▄         ▀█████▌▄█▀
              ▀██▄▄       ▀▄▄██▀
                ▀▀████████▀▀
T
.ANGEL TOKEN.
[]

                                         ▄
                 ▄▄████████▄▄         ▄▄██
 ▄▄           ▄██▀▀        ▀▀██▄    ▄█▀█▀
 ▀█▀█▄▄     ▄█▀                ▀█▄▄█  ▄█▀
  ▀█  ▀▀█▄▄█▀                ▄▄██░   █▀
   ▐▄▄  ░░░▀█▄           ▄▄█▀▀░░░   ▄█
     ▀█▄ ░░░▒▒█▄▄      ▄██▒▒▒▒▒░    █
       ▀▄▄ ░░▒▒▒▓█    ██▒▒▒▒▒▒░   ▄▄█
        ▐▀█▄░░▒▒▓██  █▓▒▒▒▒▒▒░  ▄█▀ ▐▌
        ▐▌ ▀▀█▒▓███░▐█▓▒▒▒▒░░ ▄█▀   ▐▌
        ▐▌      ▀██ ▐█▓▓▒▒▄▄▄█▀     ▐▌
         █        ▀  █▓█▀▀█         █
         ▐█          ▐▄▓░ █▄       █▌
          ▀█▄         ▀█▒░ ▀█▄   ▄█▀
            ▀█▄         ▀█▄▄▄█▌▄█▀
              ▀██▄▄       ▀▄▄██▀
                 ▀▀████████▀▀
pinkflower
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 392



View Profile
February 20, 2017, 07:59:22 AM
 #26

Genesis is scam. yeah they are paying to users but what they don't tell you is that they have rights to terminate your contract if it's no longer profitable for them. So all that "forever" and x years contracts with small hash will eventually be terminated. And even if you purchase x amounts of hash (larger) it will take years to hit ROI

i think they are not scam, i am with them since 2015 until now and i am getting ROI for almost one year and now i still got paying from them but i don't have much of hashrate. if the OP wants to select cloud mining, make sure that you have the info about cloud mining itself and read about the reviews from many people so you can select one with best recommended from people.

How much is your earn from your purchased Genesis mining contracts or plans? I would imagine it isnt that much. Im not saying they are a scam but would you say the wait to get to ROI has been worth it? The rising difficulty is another factor to worry about because you have to upgrade your plan to maintain your monthly earn and theres also the maintenance cost.

Sometimes its better to keep the BTC in your wallet because it is already itself an investment.
DaddyMonsi
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 896


Pundi X- Any store can buy, sell & accept Crypto!


View Profile WWW
February 20, 2017, 08:02:32 AM
 #27

I have an account with Genesis Mining but I have never tried buying a contract because I think it's expensive and ROI is long although I am having a second thought on trying out their mining contract for Ethereum but I havent seen any feedback about the earnings of those who bought mining contracts for Ethereum.

▄██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████▀███▀███▄
████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████▄▀▄█████
███████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████▀▄█▄▀████

███▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██████▀▀▀████████▀▀▀██▀▀▀███████████▀▀▀██▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀████████▀▀▀█████
███          ▀███   ████████   ██    ▀█████████   ██           ▀████   █████
███   █████▄   ██   ████████   ██      ▀███████   ██   ██████▄   ███   █████
███   ██████   ██   ████████   ██   █▄   ▀█████   ██   ████████   ██   █████
███   █████▀   ██   ████████   ██   ███▄   ▀███   ██   ████████   ██   █████
███          ▄███   ▀██████▀   ██   █████▄   ▀█   ██   ███████▀   ██   █████
███   ▄▄▄▄▄███████   ▀▀▀▀▀▀   ███   ███████▄      ██   ▀▀▀▀▀▀   ▄███   █████
███   █████████████▄        ▄████   █████████▄    ██        ▄▄▄█████   █████
████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
▀██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████▀
  BUY
  SELL
ACCEPT
   ███████████████████████████
  .CRYPTOCURRENCY..
███████████████████████████
.

Senior Member
██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████▄   ▄
███████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████▀▄▀
██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████▄▀ ▀▄
  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄      ▄▄▄        ▄▄▄  ▄▄▄           ▄▄▄  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄       ▄▄▄
  ██████████▄   ███        ███  ████▄         ███  ███████████▄    ███
  ███     ▀███  ███        ███  ██████▄       ███  ███      ▀███   ███
  ███      ███  ███        ███  ███ ▀███▄     ███  ███
hashnest
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 117


View Profile WWW
February 20, 2017, 08:10:15 AM
 #28

Hello!

I'm thinking of getting into Bitcoin but I don't feel like buying the hardware of an S5 to get started. Has anyone had any luck with a cloud service like Genesis Mining?

What are your thoughts?

You may want to try www.hashnest.com which is the most reliable cloud mining platform.

mrcash02
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 686

★YoBit.Net★ 350+ Coins Exchange & Dice


View Profile
February 20, 2017, 11:12:54 PM
 #29

I have an account with Genesis Mining but I have never tried buying a contract because I think it's expensive and ROI is long although I am having a second thought on trying out their mining contract for Ethereum but I havent seen any feedback about the earnings of those who bought mining contracts for Ethereum.

The problem is that we can't have a real estimative of ROI. The profit they pay us in any contract is lower and lower each new day. Some people liked the ETH contract, but I still think it's too risk as you can't know exactly when you will hit ROI (and if you will really hit it). Good that you didn't invest in such things, I'm sure you saved your money very well.

pixie85
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 350


View Profile
February 21, 2017, 12:49:20 PM
 #30

The problem is that we can't have a real estimative of ROI. The profit they pay us in any contract is lower and lower each new day. Some people liked the ETH contract, but I still think it's too risk as you can't know exactly when you will hit ROI (and if you will really hit it). Good that you didn't invest in such things, I'm sure you saved your money very well.
I don't see a problem here. If the rates are not appealing you shouldn't consider investing! They should come up with a plan to satisfy their customers.
Really guys, there are many other investment possibilities, don't waste your money on unprofitable contracts!

BitHodler
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 714


View Profile
February 21, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
 #31

The problem is that we can't have a real estimative of ROI. The profit they pay us in any contract is lower and lower each new day. Some people liked the ETH contract, but I still think it's too risk as you can't know exactly when you will hit ROI (and if you will really hit it). Good that you didn't invest in such things, I'm sure you saved your money very well.
I don't see a problem here. If the rates are not appealing you shouldn't consider investing! They should come up with a plan to satisfy their customers.
Really guys, there are many other investment possibilities, don't waste your money on unprofitable contracts!
No matter how many times people get adviced to avoid certain sites and services, they constantly come back to exactly these unprofitable services because they think it will result in a long term form of passive income.

They however don't realize that it's their own money that they get paid back over a longer period of time. It's beyond my understanding how it comes that certain people still don't have a clue how cloud mining works (newbies aside).

BlackPanda
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 868


MatrixCoin - Creating Bright Future Together


View Profile
February 21, 2017, 02:04:15 PM
 #32

I had not longer trust the cloud mining. Nowadays, almost all mining cloud just calculate numbers, they do not have real hardware. I have experienced many losses due to cloud mining. I suggest you to buy hardware mining. it will be getting bitcoin.


██████████.......█████......
████████████.....███████.....
███....█████.....███████.....
███....█████.....███████.....
████....██████...█████████....
██████......██████████...█████████....
█████......██████......████....██...█████████....
█████......██████......████....███.███████████...
█████......██████......████....███.███████████...
███...................█████████████████.███████████...
███..███..█████.......██████████.████████████.█████████..
███..█████.......██████████.████████████.█████████..
█████.......██████████.████████████.█████████..
██████......███...███████████...██████████.
██████......███...███████████...██████████.
██████......███...███████████...██████████.
██████......██.....█████████.....██████████
██████████.....█████████.....██████████
██████████.....█████████.....██████████
   
██
█  ██  █
█  ██  █
█  ██  █
█  ██  █
█  ██  █
█  ██  █
█  ██  █

█  ██  █

█  ██  █

█  ██  █

█  ██  █

██
   
██
█  ██  █
█  ██  █
█  ██  █
█  ██  █
█  ██  █
█  ██  █
█  ██  █

█  ██  █

█  ██  █

█  ██  █

█  ██  █

██
   
➤  TWITTER
➤  FACEBOOK
➤  INSTAGRAM
rb1001
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 10


View Profile
June 22, 2017, 08:46:41 PM
 #33

I've made a brief video analysis of cloud mining in 2017. Check it out https://youtu.be/4dYoZ7UKNNo
giveen
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 756



View Profile
June 22, 2017, 09:49:49 PM
 #34

No man don't get into cloud mining everyone new to bitcoin thought the same thing with mining we can more bitcoin but that's the worst idea because most od these sites show fake mining results in order ti earn maximum. Think logically over here if mining was so profitable why would they even sell their hardware and not mine for themselves.
shield132
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 560


Watch Agents Of Shield On ABC


View Profile
June 22, 2017, 10:54:46 PM
 #35

I've made a brief video analysis of cloud mining in 2017. Check it out https://youtu.be/4dYoZ7UKNNo
On what analyze do you talk guy? How are you analyzing website (Genesis mining) when it's almost impossible to get profit? And again there was many scam accusation thread against them with valid proofs and it's already known that they look like scammers under legal mask.
Legit one is hashnest nowdays because it's under bitmain and you can sell hashrates but still useless because of very bad profit. People have to learn that cloud mining don't worths, it's better to do any other thing than simply waste money in nothing.

.BITSLER.                 ▄███
               ▄████▀
             ▄████▀
           ▄████▀  ▄██▄
         ▄████▀    ▀████▄
       ▄████▀        ▀████▄
     ▄████▀            ▀████▄
   ▄████▀                ▀████▄
 ▄████▀ ▄████▄      ▄████▄ ▀████▄
█████   ██████      ██████   █████
 ▀████▄ ▀████▀      ▀████▀ ▄████▀
   ▀████▄                ▄████▀
     ▀████▄            ▄████▀
       ▀████▄        ▄████▀
         ▀████▄    ▄████▀
           ▀████▄▄████▀
             ▀██████▀
               ▀▀▀▀
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄             
▄▄▄▄▀▀▀▀    ▄▄█▄▄ ▀▀▄         
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄       
█  ▀▄▄  ▀█▀▀ ▄      ▀████   ▀▀▄   
█ █▄  ▀▄   ▀████       ▀▀ ▄██▄ ▀▀▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
█  ▀▀       ▀▄▄ ▀████      ▄▄▄▀▀▀  █
█            ▄ ▀▄    ▄▄▄▀▀▀   ▄▄  █
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
█ ▄▄   ███   ▀██  █           ▀▀  █ 
█ ███  ▀██       █        ▄▄      █ 
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀   
▀▄            █        ▀▀      █   
▀▀▄   ███▄  █   ▄▄          █   
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀     
▀▀▄   █   ▀▀▄▄▄▀▀▀         
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█▄▄▀▀▀▀               
              ▄▄▄██████▄▄▄
          ▄▄████████████████▄▄
        ▄██████▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██████▄
▄     ▄█████▀             ▀█████▄
██▄▄ █████▀                ▀█████
 ████████            ▄██      █████
  ████████▄         ███▀       ████▄
  █████████▀▀     ▄███▀        █████
   █▀▀▀          █████         █████
     ▄▄▄         ████          █████
   █████          ▀▀           ████▀
    █████                     █████
     █████▄                 ▄█████
      ▀█████▄             ▄█████▀
        ▀██████▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄██████▀
          ▀▀████████████████▀▀
              ▀▀▀██████▀▀▀
            ▄▄▄███████▄▄▄
         ▄█▀▀▀ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ▀▀▀█▄
       █▀▀ ▄█████████████▄ ▀▀█
     █▀▀ ███████████████████ ▀▀█
    █▀ ███████████████████████ ▀█
   █▀ ███████████████▀▀ ███████ ▀█
 ▄█▀ ██████████████▀      ▀█████ ▀█▄
███ ███████████▀▀            ▀▀██ ███
███ ███████▀▀                     ███
███ ▀▀▀▀                          ███
▀██▄                             ▄██▀
  ▀█▄                            ▀▀
    █▄       █▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█
     █▄      ▀█████████▀
      ▀█▄      ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
        ▀▀█▄▄  ▄▄▄
            ▀▀█████
[]
BitMaxz
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 882


View Profile
June 22, 2017, 11:06:30 PM
 #36

The problem is that we can't have a real estimative of ROI. The profit they pay us in any contract is lower and lower each new day. Some people liked the ETH contract, but I still think it's too risk as you can't know exactly when you will hit ROI (and if you will really hit it). Good that you didn't invest in such things, I'm sure you saved your money very well.
I don't see a problem here. If the rates are not appealing you shouldn't consider investing! They should come up with a plan to satisfy their customers.
Really guys, there are many other investment possibilities, don't waste your money on unprofitable contracts!
No matter how many times people get adviced to avoid certain sites and services, they constantly come back to exactly these unprofitable services because they think it will result in a long term form of passive income.

They however don't realize that it's their own money that they get paid back over a longer period of time. It's beyond my understanding how it comes that certain people still don't have a clue how cloud mining works (newbies aside).
People who are investing in cloud mining are only dump people or bitcoin user that didn't know things about bitcoin if they know here in forum they know that cloud mining is useless not profitable way or almost all cloud mining site are scam..
Its a passive income but in non profitable way much better to invest to make your own website and get some offer from any CPA network to promote and get earn by promoting them than invest it all in cloud mining site that actually we do not know if the site is telling the truth that they are mining or not..
Here in online there's no free money you should work hard before you can earn big..

rb1001
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 10


View Profile
June 23, 2017, 07:54:31 AM
 #37

I've made a brief video analysis of cloud mining in 2017. Check it out https://youtu.be/4dYoZ7UKNNo
On what analyze do you talk guy? How are you analyzing website (Genesis mining) when it's almost impossible to get profit? And again there was many scam accusation thread against them with valid proofs and it's already known that they look like scammers under legal mask.
Legit one is hashnest nowdays because it's under bitmain and you can sell hashrates but still useless because of very bad profit. People have to learn that cloud mining don't worths, it's better to do any other thing than simply waste money in nothing.


Initially I thought in the same way like you. But I made experiment with $114 investment in bitcoin mining. Now I've earned about $170. That means $56 of profit or 50% growth (it is show on the video).  It is possible to make profit. But you need to calculate risk before making any investment and call it scam. I have made money because bitcoin price in dollars grew faster than my mining profit dropped. Today imho bitcoin mining  on genesis is not such profitable. But there are other coins and mining calculators to figure out does it make sense to use genesis or any other company. But what is more importantly RISKY OR UNPROFITABLE INVESTMENT ≠ SCAM.
simon149
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 116


View Profile WWW
July 06, 2017, 10:49:47 AM
 #38

In case you are interested I have published my payouts over the last month, and did some calculations on it.
You can find the article on my blog: Payout on Genesis mining.

I have already got my investment back and are expecting a nice profit towards the future.
If you have any questions let me know, but I think the number speaks for themselves.

---

edit: this article is about BTC. I'll try to run the numbers as well with other coins like ETH.

Volg mijn blog over Bitcoins voor uitleg, tips en nieuwtjes over Bitcoin.
linocrypto
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1


View Profile
August 27, 2017, 12:24:30 PM
 #39

Genesis mining stop to pay for MONERO mining the 6 of august. MONERO is going to the star... We bet that if it goes down to the minimum, as by magic, they start to pay again Huh I mean, that's how they've cheated on the possibility of investing our earnings. Who will give us the chance to sell to the highest? But they have had it, with our money ... This story has lasted for too long and these have proved 100% unreliable and 100% unhonest... Please share in ALL forum to show how this company is!!!
pixie85
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 350


View Profile
August 27, 2017, 07:05:58 PM
 #40

Genesis mining stop to pay for MONERO mining the 6 of august. MONERO is going to the star... We bet that if it goes down to the minimum, as by magic, they start to pay again Huh I mean, that's how they've cheated on the possibility of investing our earnings. Who will give us the chance to sell to the highest? But they have had it, with our money ... This story has lasted for too long and these have proved 100% unreliable and 100% unhonest... Please share in ALL forum to show how this company is!!!
If they are holding your payouts it means they are using your money to speculate on the market. They are making money at your expense.
It's obvious they have to be making money somehow since this cloud mining system isn't profitable at all. You need to turn to scamming to make it all add up.

Pages: « 1 [2] 3 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!