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April 17, 2013, 06:28:56 PM |
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You can clearly see the difference in 100,000 humans using fire vs. billions of cars today.
Certainly. Progress. Eventually, we'll have a few trillion humans using space ships. Then some number of quadrillions using who knows what. Or we can go back, and we'll still be back at 100,000 using fire when the sun bakes the planet dry. Your views are naive and unencumbered with sophistication. |
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myrkul
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April 17, 2013, 06:33:17 PM |
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You can clearly see the difference in 100,000 humans using fire vs. billions of cars today.
Certainly. Progress. Eventually, we'll have a few trillion humans using space ships. Then some number of quadrillions using who knows what. Or we can go back, and we'll still be back at 100,000 using fire when the sun bakes the planet dry. Your views are naive and unencumbered with sophistication. ...and we're back to slinging mud, then, are we? |
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April 17, 2013, 06:46:57 PM |
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You can clearly see the difference in 100,000 humans using fire vs. billions of cars today.
Certainly. Progress. Eventually, we'll have a few trillion humans using space ships. Then some number of quadrillions using who knows what. Or we can go back, and we'll still be back at 100,000 using fire when the sun bakes the planet dry. Your views are naive and unencumbered with sophistication. ...and we're back to slinging mud, then, are we? Not that I'm aware of. I made an assessment of your views on the subject. I don't consider it to be mud slinging, but a fair summary of your views. Take it as you will. |
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April 17, 2013, 07:06:14 PM |
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He's not spot on. Not only are people fucked, but so are tens of thousands of other species, ecosystems, and so on. And we're the cause of it. There is no baseline metric of what defines the planet as being fine. The best metric is the one in which the planet's systems proceed at the pace they normally do, which is not occurring right now. Nope. If you look at the planet you can find life everywhere. Dosen't matter how harsh it is. Life is everywhere. No matter if it's cold, warm, no oxygen, high pressure..... The planet will do fine long after we are gone. If it's our time to go, it's our time to go. The planet will do fine without us |
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April 17, 2013, 07:14:04 PM |
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He's not spot on. Not only are people fucked, but so are tens of thousands of other species, ecosystems, and so on. And we're the cause of it. There is no baseline metric of what defines the planet as being fine. The best metric is the one in which the planet's systems proceed at the pace they normally do, which is not occurring right now. Nope. If you look at the planet you can find life everywhere. Dosen't matter how harsh it is. Life is everywhere. No matter if it's cold, warm, no oxygen, high pressure..... The planet will do fine long after we are gone. If it's our time to go, it's our time to go. The planet will do fine without us Study up on ecosystems, ecosystem services, and biodiversity. It doesn't matter if we find lichens and bacteria in Antarctica. Our goal isn't to acknowledge that if we radically render the planet into an inhospitable place for megafauna, we will still have bacteria and heat thriving nematodes on the planet. Please read again the last paragraph of the post you're responding to. I'll quote it for you: There is no baseline metric of what defines the planet as being fine. The best metric is the one in which the planet's systems proceed at the pace they normally do, which is not occurring right now.
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April 17, 2013, 07:14:44 PM |
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He's not spot on. Not only are people fucked, but so are tens of thousands of other species, ecosystems, and so on. And we're the cause of it. There is no baseline metric of what defines the planet as being fine. The best metric is the one in which the planet's systems proceed at the pace they normally do, which is not occurring right now. Nope. If you look at the planet you can find life everywhere. Dosen't matter how harsh it is. Life is everywhere. No matter if it's cold, warm, no oxygen, high pressure..... The planet will do fine long after we are gone. If it's our time to go, it's our time to go. The planet will do fine without us That is not very consoling. lol |
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April 17, 2013, 07:20:53 PM |
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If it's our time to go, it's our time to go. The planet will do fine without us
That is not very consoling. lol No, it's not. Not, at least, if you're human-centric. However, if what you care about is "the environment," or "the planet," then I imagine it's quite comforting to know that after we've wiped ourselves out, life on earth will continue. |
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April 17, 2013, 07:21:11 PM |
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He's not spot on. Not only are people fucked, but so are tens of thousands of other species, ecosystems, and so on. And we're the cause of it. There is no baseline metric of what defines the planet as being fine. The best metric is the one in which the planet's systems proceed at the pace they normally do, which is not occurring right now. Nope. If you look at the planet you can find life everywhere. Dosen't matter how harsh it is. Life is everywhere. No matter if it's cold, warm, no oxygen, high pressure..... The planet will do fine long after we are gone. If it's our time to go, it's our time to go. The planet will do fine without us That is not very consoling. lol It's an absurd argument. What he just doesn't get is if nature, in the absence of mankind, takes the world in that direction, then so be it, but the reality is (and this is the key point), it is mankind that is taking the world in that direction, and that should be corrected. |
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April 17, 2013, 07:38:32 PM |
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What he just doesn't get is if nature, in the absence of mankind, takes the world in that direction, then so be it, but the reality is (and this is the key point), it is mankind that is taking the world in that direction, and that should be corrected.
"If nature, absent a key part of nature, takes the world in that direction, so be it, but the reality is (and this is the key point), it is that key part of nature that is taking the world in that direction, and that should be corrected." |
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April 17, 2013, 07:42:58 PM |
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Hey, isn't PETA also on that road where they'll only be satisfied when all human beings are wiped out?
I think it's safe to say, humans being selfish is a lot better than humans being dead. Not saying "screw the planet", but, if I gotta live in space for the rest of my life, I'll be down with that.
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April 17, 2013, 07:48:09 PM |
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Hey, isn't PETA also on that road where they'll only be satisfied when all human beings are wiped out?
I think it's safe to say, humans being selfish is a lot better than humans being dead. Not saying "screw the planet", but, if I gotta live in space for the rest of my life, I'll be down with that.
So you admit it's better to be selfish and try and prevent our home from being destroyed by our pollution rather than being dead due to ecosystem destruction by our hand? |
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April 17, 2013, 07:49:25 PM |
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What he just doesn't get is if nature, in the absence of mankind, takes the world in that direction, then so be it, but the reality is (and this is the key point), it is mankind that is taking the world in that direction, and that should be corrected.
"If nature, absent a key part of nature, takes the world in that direction, so be it, but the reality is (and this is the key point), it is that key part of nature that is taking the world in that direction, and that should be corrected." If man's technology is part of nature, then so are his efforts and programs to curtail pollution and environmental destruction. |
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April 17, 2013, 07:49:29 PM |
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Hey, isn't PETA also on that road where they'll only be satisfied when all human beings are wiped out?
I think it's safe to say, humans being selfish is a lot better than humans being dead. Not saying "screw the planet", but, if I gotta live in space for the rest of my life, I'll be down with that.
Pretty much my point. If humans left or died, the planet would be fine without us. It's not like it's the end of the world |
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April 17, 2013, 07:51:17 PM |
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Hey, isn't PETA also on that road where they'll only be satisfied when all human beings are wiped out?
I think it's safe to say, humans being selfish is a lot better than humans being dead. Not saying "screw the planet", but, if I gotta live in space for the rest of my life, I'll be down with that.
So you admit it's better to be selfish and try and prevent our home from being destroyed by our pollution rather than being dead due to ecosystem destruction by our hand? I've yet to see you admit it. Just once, say that your top priority is human survival, and not that of "the planet," and I'll be behind you 100% on that. |
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April 17, 2013, 07:51:41 PM |
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Hey, isn't PETA also on that road where they'll only be satisfied when all human beings are wiped out?
I think it's safe to say, humans being selfish is a lot better than humans being dead. Not saying "screw the planet", but, if I gotta live in space for the rest of my life, I'll be down with that.
So you admit it's better to be selfish and try and prevent our home from being destroyed by our pollution rather than being dead due to ecosystem destruction by our hand? I think we need to take ownership of our own planet. Nobody takes a shit on their living room floor, right? However, if my house going to be bull-dozed, and there's nothing I can do about it, there's no chance in hell I'm dying with it. |
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April 17, 2013, 07:53:10 PM |
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Hey, isn't PETA also on that road where they'll only be satisfied when all human beings are wiped out?
I think it's safe to say, humans being selfish is a lot better than humans being dead. Not saying "screw the planet", but, if I gotta live in space for the rest of my life, I'll be down with that.
So you admit it's better to be selfish and try and prevent our home from being destroyed by our pollution rather than being dead due to ecosystem destruction by our hand? I've yet to see you admit it. Just once, say that your top priority is human survival, and not that of "the planet," and I'll be behind you 100% on that. My top priority is human survival within a natural environment that is allowed to proceed at a pace that is neither accelerated or decelerated by mankind. Simple enough. |
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RodeoX
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April 17, 2013, 07:55:42 PM |
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If it's our time to go, it's our time to go. The planet will do fine without us
That is not very consoling. lol No, it's not. Not, at least, if you're human-centric. However, if what you care about is "the environment," or "the planet," then I imagine it's quite comforting to know that after we've wiped ourselves out, life on earth will continue. I'm cool with humans being gone. My view is that all life is really the same creature. I don't know why, but DNA has emerged and radiated into millions of forms. But it is all just the same DNA creature. You, me, trees, germs, we are the same creature. There has been only one living thing ever discovered. So it's no big deal if 90% of life dies on Earth. No different than pruning 90% of the limbs off a tree. Still, i will miss the parties. |
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April 17, 2013, 07:56:02 PM |
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Hey, isn't PETA also on that road where they'll only be satisfied when all human beings are wiped out?
I think it's safe to say, humans being selfish is a lot better than humans being dead. Not saying "screw the planet", but, if I gotta live in space for the rest of my life, I'll be down with that.
So you admit it's better to be selfish and try and prevent our home from being destroyed by our pollution rather than being dead due to ecosystem destruction by our hand? I've yet to see you admit it. Just once, say that your top priority is human survival, and not that of "the planet," and I'll be behind you 100% on that. My top priority is human survival within a natural environment that is allowed to proceed at a pace that is neither accelerated or decelerated by mankind. Simple enough. Oh, so close, but you had to go and restrict it like that! "within a natural environment that is allowed to proceed at a pace that is neither accelerated or decelerated by mankind." So: Only on Earth, and we must limit our population so that we have no effect - as if we were not even there. 100,000 using fire when the sun bakes the planet dry. No thanks. |
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April 17, 2013, 07:57:01 PM |
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If it's our time to go, it's our time to go. The planet will do fine without us
That is not very consoling. lol No, it's not. Not, at least, if you're human-centric. However, if what you care about is "the environment," or "the planet," then I imagine it's quite comforting to know that after we've wiped ourselves out, life on earth will continue. I'm cool with humans being gone. My view is that all life is really the same creature. I don't know why, but DNA has emerged and radiated into millions of forms. But it is all just the same DNA creature. You, me, trees, germs, we are the same creature. There has been only one living thing ever discovered. So it's no big deal if 90% of life dies on Earth. No different than pruning 90% of the limbs off a tree. Still, i will miss the parties. Perhaps the next branch smart enough to throw them will have even better parties. |
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April 17, 2013, 07:57:34 PM |
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If it's our time to go, it's our time to go. The planet will do fine without us
That is not very consoling. lol No, it's not. Not, at least, if you're human-centric. However, if what you care about is "the environment," or "the planet," then I imagine it's quite comforting to know that after we've wiped ourselves out, life on earth will continue. I'm cool with humans being gone. My view is that all life is really the same creature. I don't know why, but DNA has emerged and radiated into millions of forms. But it is all just the same DNA creature. You, me, trees, germs, we are the same creature. There has been only one living thing ever discovered. So it's no big deal if 90% of life dies on Earth. No different than pruning 90% of the limbs off a tree. Still, i will miss the parties. That's akin to saying "I'd be cool dying tomorrow." I'm not  Sorry. |
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