UFC 212: Aldo vs Holloway Info and Prediction Thread

[bbc.reporter]

Karolina lost via rare naked choke. She tried to stand up and exposed her back. For a professional she made an amateur mistake.

Update - Nice win by Max. He got the best of Jose Aldo in 3 rounds. We have a new era now at featherweight.

[Mbokani]

The reign of Jose Aldo as the undisputed feature weight champion is over at a young age of 30,the first two rounds were scored by Aldo but Max Holloway came back strong in the third round and defeated Aldo,it was a classic performance from the young champion and now he is undefeated in his last eleven fights and his next test will be Frankie Edgar.

[freeyourmind]

Wow what a great fight.  Aldo and Holloway looked sharp.  Aldo had a good start and was on point with his counters, but didn't throw any leg kicks.  I'm happy for Holloway...well deserved.

[notserp]

yup weird he didnt throw one leg kick he needed to slow max down for the later rounds

[gabmen]

Congratulations to holloway there though i lost quite a couple of hundreds with the bet i made, it was a good fight. I think aldo would have a hard time bringing back his old self especially with the losses he's suffered. Sad to see him go like that but great guys eventually had to reach this point. Hopefully he doesn't retire yet though

[Kemarit]

I think I'm going with Gadelha to win via decision. Kowalkiewicz coming from a lost from a title fight and facing Gadelha will be a big task for her. I see that their style is very similar, they are very aggressive. I think Gadelha is much better if there is a chance that they will clinch in the corner that's why I give the advantage to her. And Gadelha for me is more well round than Kowalkiewicz. Tough to pick but I have to say that Holloway has the advantage. He is young and is very aggressive as well. He will pressure Aldo here, and I don't know if Aldo can maintain the phase that Holloway will put on him. I initially pick Aldo to win, but I'm putting my money now on Holloway. Too many intangibles that point on Max Holloway that is not easy to ignore.

Nice win for both of them and thank coz I won my bet  

Yeah, a new era has started with Max Holloway at the reign of featherweight division. Max didn't disappoint us in his  biggest fight and he make it counts with a 3rd round stoppage of Jose Aldo. In the end, Holloway was able to prevail and leave no doubt about the best fighter in the division. Holloway's last lost was with Connor McGregor. Can we have Holloway vs McGregor then?  I think Aldo needs more time and rethink about what his future maybe.

As for Claudia vs Karolina, I have predicted the clinch will be critical for Claudia, both are strikers but when they clinched she proves powerful with her elbow and able to get the double-underhooks and put Karolina on her back to finished her.

[tokeweed]

yup weird he didnt throw one leg kick he needed to slow max down for the later rounds

Yup.  And wtf, Aldo got tired by the third round?  He has more championship rounds experience than Holloway.  It's really surprising.

So who's next for Holloway?  Edgar?  The division just got boring.

[Baofeng]

yup weird he didnt throw one leg kick he needed to slow max down for the later rounds

Yup.  And wtf, Aldo got tired by the third round?  He has more championship rounds experience than Holloway.  It's really surprising.

So who's next for Holloway?  Edgar?  The division just got boring.

Maybe Aldo wants to proved something here by going toe to toe and not using his vaunted leg kick to his advantage. Well its pretty solid division to me. We still have Frankie Edgar, who should get his title shot after defeating Yair earlier. And then we have Ricardo Llamas, Cub Swanson and Anthony Pettis in the line.

[eaLiTy]

No words to describe my frustration,i think it is time for Aldo to change the camp if he wants to improve and have a real strategy ,people are studying his game for a long time and for the first two rounds he was managing to win the rounds,he did not throw one leg kick which really surprised me and in the third round it is all over,the reign is over for good,huge loss in my bets too.

[freeyourmind]

yup weird he didnt throw one leg kick he needed to slow max down for the later rounds

Yup.  And wtf, Aldo got tired by the third round?  He has more championship rounds experience than Holloway.  It's really surprising.

So who's next for Holloway?  Edgar?  The division just got boring.

Maybe Aldo wants to proved something here by going toe to toe and not using his vaunted leg kick to his advantage. Well its pretty solid division to me. We still have Frankie Edgar, who should get his title shot after defeating Yair earlier. And then we have Ricardo Llamas, Cub Swanson and Anthony Pettis in the line.

Aldo is known for fading a bit (not badly) in the later rounds regardless of his championship experience.  Tough to be so explosive and keep great cardio.  Whereas Holloway always has great cardio.

Edgar and Swanson should battle it out for the next title fight.

[Hydrogen]

I was wrong on Karolina winning.

But right on Aldo's cardio being bad:

I'm leaning towards Max Holloway winning since Aldo's cardio looked very bad when he fought Frankie Edgar the last time.

I like Aldo but his fighting career could be over. He'll be one of those fighters who needs to win his fights early or he could be finished when he slows down and his cardio fails him.  

[bbc.reporter]

@Hydrogen. I do not think so. Jose Aldo still has 5 or more years in him. Most of it may not be the big fights that he is used to but he will still continue to fight as long has he has motivation to do it. Look at Anderson and Vitor, they are over their 40's but they are still in the most competitive organization in all of MMA.

[tokeweed]

yup weird he didnt throw one leg kick he needed to slow max down for the later rounds

Yup.  And wtf, Aldo got tired by the third round?  He has more championship rounds experience than Holloway.  It's really surprising.

So who's next for Holloway?  Edgar?  The division just got boring.

Maybe Aldo wants to proved something here by going toe to toe and not using his vaunted leg kick to his advantage.

Watch the last Aldo vs Edgar fight, Aldo didn't use the leg kicks much either.  It was Aldo fighting another way which was good against Edgar but it would have been better if he had the leg kicks against Holloway.  But hindsight is always 50/50.

Well its pretty solid division to me. We still have Frankie Edgar, who should get his title shot after defeating Yair earlier. And then we have Ricardo Llamas, Cub Swanson and Anthony Pettis in the line.

Pettis, Llamas are ok, but something I won't really care about if they fight Holloway,  Same with Edgar.  He lost to Aldo twice in the UFC, watching him fight the guy who beat Aldo won't pique my interest either.

Holloway vs Cub Swanson 2?  Maybe...

[DaddyMonsi]

First round of Aldo Vs Holloway I give it to Aldo and I thought Aldo have this fight in the bag but Holloway have a fight plan that I many didn't see coming. Holloway waited for the right time and Aldo runs out of gas to continue. Last Saturdays Aldo is different from the Aldo that we see on UFC 163, 169, 179. Maybe Aldo is very cautious after his fight with McGregor.

[thejaytiesto]

Jose Aldo was making a good job until he got rocked. He was throwing good jabs but the other guy got some good angles counter attacking and he was able to throw him at the floor and fuck shit up.

Holloway and Conor is now in the realm of possibility but I think we all want to see Tony Ferguson, Khabib, or even Tyron Woodley above a Holloway fight.

Conor will fight Mayweather first before an UFC fight tho. But then one of those guys will fight Conor.

[Kemarit]

No words to describe my frustration,i think it is time for Aldo to change the camp if he wants to improve and have a real strategy ,people are studying his game for a long time and for the first two rounds he was managing to win the rounds,he did not throw one leg kick which really surprised me and in the third round it is all over,the reign is over for good,huge loss in my bets too.

Hmmm. The way I analyzed it, seems to me the new breed of UFC fighters are emerging. Jose Aldo has been a very good fighter. But now new fighters are raising the bar, like Holloway, that keeps some very extra-ordinary fighters be like ordinary now. Look at what happened to Ronda. They have already caught up with Ronda and she looks like just a ordinary fighter now. Same as Robbie Lawler, Anthony Pettis and now Aldo.
Only one I'm seeing is Mighty Mouse and Jon Jones (but we have to see it if he fight next). Fighters are really notching one level above and we are seeing a new wave of fighter making those ex-champs obsolete, if I may say.

Well of course your thoughts are very much appreciated. I'm just calling it the way I see the UFC fighters now. Evolving.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Only one I'm seeing is Mighty Mouse and Jon Jones (but we have to see it if he fight next). Fighters are really notching one level above and we are seeing a new wave of fighter making those ex-champs obsolete, if I may say.

We saw the growth of Mighty Mouse Johnson from his WEC days at 135 pounds and now the undisputed king at 125 pounds and he has improved his game a lot and keeps on improving,Jon Jones is the greatest fighter the world has seen till now,you cannot find many weakness with Jones and almost all of the holes are closed when it comes to Mighty Mouse,sure the new breed is taking the bar higher and with the exit of Aldo we have new match ups and Edgar will get a chance to face someone for the championship other than Aldo.

[freeyourmind]

No words to describe my frustration,i think it is time for Aldo to change the camp if he wants to improve and have a real strategy ,people are studying his game for a long time and for the first two rounds he was managing to win the rounds,he did not throw one leg kick which really surprised me and in the third round it is all over,the reign is over for good,huge loss in my bets too.

Hmmm. The way I analyzed it, seems to me the new breed of UFC fighters are emerging. Jose Aldo has been a very good fighter. But now new fighters are raising the bar, like Holloway, that keeps some very extra-ordinary fighters be like ordinary now. Look at what happened to Ronda. They have already caught up with Ronda and she looks like just a ordinary fighter now. Same as Robbie Lawler, Anthony Pettis and now Aldo.
Only one I'm seeing is Mighty Mouse and Jon Jones (but we have to see it if he fight next). Fighters are really notching one level above and we are seeing a new wave of fighter making those ex-champs obsolete, if I may say.

Well of course your thoughts are very much appreciated. I'm just calling it the way I see the UFC fighters now. Evolving.

The game is definitely elevating over time, and in reality it's super tough to be champion for so long.  GSP went into retirement from the stress of being champion for so many years.

I think Ronda had a bit of a different situation because of her persona in the ring, as a killer.  Female fighters were highly intimidated by her and couldn't properly execute their game plan.  Holly was the first to expose how bad her footwork is when boxing.  Probably the worst footwork in the UFC, but she knocked out Bethe Correia so people thought she was a great boxer.  Holly picked her apart, and then that "immortal" persona went out the window.  Boxing mitts and actually fighting are so different.  She's great at hitting mitts with Edmond "head movement" Tarverdyan lol.

Aldo really relies on his reflexes, quickness, explosiveness and power....which doesn't usually translate into aging well as a fighter.  Those things are only going to slow down with time.

[Hydrogen]

@Hydrogen. I do not think so. Jose Aldo still has 5 or more years in him. Most of it may not be the big fights that he is used to but he will still continue to fight as long has he has motivation to do it. Look at Anderson and Vitor, they are over their 40's but they are still in the most competitive organization in all of MMA.

It all depends on whether Jose Aldo has abused steroids during his career.

If Aldo abused steroids, eventually he could reach a point where his heart & cardiovascular system will become damaged & negatively affect his cardio.

That could be what happened to Aldo when he fought Frankie Edgar. Aldo had to pace himself and only fought the last 1-2 minutes of each round. Frankie Edgar made the mistake of giving Aldo a lot of time and space to recover when Aldo did get tired. Max Holloway gave Aldo no time to rest and threw a lot of body shots. That could be why Aldo started to get tired in the 3rd round & he slowed down enough that Max Holloway was able to finish him.

No one keeps records on the negative effects of PED's afaik but Kimbo Slice & Kevin Randleman dying prematurely at relatively young ages could be because of steroids. A lot of professional WWE/WWF wrestlers have also died young from steroid/drug abuse. I hope those who feel tempted to take steroids think twice, it can have a lot of negative long term consequences.

[Siren]

@Hydrogen. I do not think so. Jose Aldo still has 5 or more years in him. Most of it may not be the big fights that he is used to but he will still continue to fight as long has he has motivation to do it. Look at Anderson and Vitor, they are over their 40's but they are still in the most competitive organization in all of MMA.

It all depends on whether Jose Aldo has abused steroids during his career.

If Aldo abused steroids, eventually he could reach a point where his heart & cardiovascular system will become damaged & negatively affect his cardio.

That could be what happened to Aldo when he fought Frankie Edgar. Aldo had to pace himself and only fought the last 1-2 minutes of each round. Frankie Edgar made the mistake of giving Aldo a lot of time and space to recover when Aldo did get tired. Max Holloway gave Aldo no time to rest and threw a lot of body shots. That could be why Aldo started to get tired in the 3rd round & he slowed down enough that Max Holloway was able to finish him.

No one keeps records on the negative effects of PED's afaik but Kimbo Slice & Kevin Randleman dying prematurely at relatively young ages could be because of steroids. A lot of professional WWE/WWF wrestlers have also died young from steroid/drug abuse. I hope those who feel tempted to take steroids think twice, it can have a lot of negative long term consequences.

The Frankie Edgar vs Jose Aldo fight really exposed how his stamina is. It has been in question years ago but he keeps on winning that's why it is put out of the window. And I think Edgar won that fight. Aldo was just lucky that he was the champion then but I think Frankie won round 3-5 at least in my own card. No one keeps record of PED abusers, until thy die.