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February 16, 2017, 02:36:05 PM
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Current Price BFX $1040.

Just noting, that in BFX's history there has never been more short sellers in dollar amount than longs.  

Also note, 90% are under water with the average being somewhere around $950'ish.

So, it seems they are betting on past history.  Every time Bitcoin enters $1000+ it crashes violently.  However, like the old saying goes:

"Past performance is not indicative of future results."

Another theory, is that Bitmex sentiment suggests a 30% chance of the Winklevoss ETF passing as we approach the final March 11 2017 deadline.  So after an expected ETF rejection by the SEC, lots betting that Bitcoin will crash a few hundred.

CSO of Bitfinex was on whalepool chat saying they would protect short sellers in case of cascading margin calls to the upside.

Whatever the case, this does not look to end well.  



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February 16, 2017, 02:49:21 PM
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Very interesting.
What is the link for this chart?

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February 16, 2017, 02:51:18 PM
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Very interesting.
What is the link for this chart?



https://bfxdata.com/combined/btc
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February 16, 2017, 02:58:12 PM
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It is not unlikely that the short squeeze will come much earlier than the Winklevoss decision ...
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February 16, 2017, 03:27:05 PM
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Or they could be short because they have inside informatiom about the ETFs.

Do you know when these short contracts expire?

 
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February 16, 2017, 03:32:48 PM
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Or they could be short because they have inside informatiom about the ETFs.

Do you know when these short contracts expire?
Bitfinex doesn't have short contracts.  They can hold them as long as they don't get margin called.
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February 16, 2017, 03:40:26 PM
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The chances are the ETF if ruled against is done so before the 11th right? I mean, if it makes it to the 11 th without a ruling, it's probably going to autopass. Is this correct?
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February 16, 2017, 03:41:43 PM
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Or they could be short because they have inside informatiom about the ETFs.

Do you know when these short contracts expire?
Bitfinex doesn't have short contracts.  They can hold them as long as they don't get margin called.

Could be just betting on the odds given. 70% - 80% is good equity.
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February 16, 2017, 03:51:53 PM
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CSO of Bitfinex was on whalepool chat saying they would protect short sellers in case of cascading margin calls to the upside.

Why on earth would the CSO get involved in individual trades? He should do his job of running an exchange.
If short traders are foolish and get hurt, that's life.
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February 16, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
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CSO of Bitfinex was on whalepool chat saying they would protect short sellers in case of cascading margin calls to the upside.

Why on earth would the CSO get involved in individual trades? He should do his job of running an exchange.
If short traders are foolish and get hurt, that's life.

I agree, if they made their bed then let them lie in it. Shit happens, if you gamble your lofe away financially by shorting then you must face the consequences.

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February 16, 2017, 05:07:10 PM
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The chances are the ETF if ruled against is done so before the 11th right? I mean, if it makes it to the 11 th without a ruling, it's probably going to autopass. Is this correct?

That is my understanding. If it is not rejected officially by the 11th, which is a Saturday, it will pass by default.
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February 16, 2017, 05:17:31 PM
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The red line had a single rise at the 13th (which been on a friday last month btw) but the green one grows steadily. I can sense a single personality took that short bet on a single day but the market is moving against that in high numbers.
If one runs an exchange one should keep an eye onto customer numbers, refraining from insider jobs just for a quick bang.

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February 16, 2017, 05:40:03 PM
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Current Price BFX $1040.

For the past months, there's been a HUGE contract holder on OKC.

Longs were dreading he might be long, since he would have to sell at some point, however, today he finally gave a clue to his position.

Since price is rising and his position decreased slightly, he appears to be SHORT and taking a beating.

This contract ends in March 31.  When he closes his position, BTC going to explode whether it be from the depths of 700 due to ETF being rejected, or new all time highs.

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February 16, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
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55k Bitcoin in a short position ?  Holy mother.. Shocked
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February 16, 2017, 06:30:35 PM
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"Past performance is not indicative of future results."

On the other hand, the future isn't completely unpredictable either. Bitcoin price has certain patterns that can give you some indication of the future.

For me, all I need to know is that the long-term trend (since mid 2015) is a steady increase in price, possibly even exponential growth. So I'm hoarding & holding.
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February 16, 2017, 07:23:44 PM
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Shorts will get raped when we go to the new ATH after they realize the ETF is irrelevant and price increase is due the overall project being more mature and naturally sitting above $1000. It would be cool to watch shorts going bankrupt and committing suicide. I can't wait to see all the short positions getting dropped as tweeted by https://twitter.com/whalecalls

We are going only up, understand this fact or die trying.
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February 16, 2017, 07:39:40 PM
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The best thing to do under these circumstances is to invest heavily in the popcorn producing industry, Huge amounts of popcorn will find their way to consumers who will be watching this epic showdown.

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February 16, 2017, 07:59:52 PM
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The chances are the ETF if ruled against is done so before the 11th right? I mean, if it makes it to the 11 th without a ruling, it's probably going to autopass. Is this correct?

That is my understanding. If it is not rejected officially by the 11th, which is a Saturday, it will pass by default.

Pass by default for an S-1 filing has never happened before. It would be a first if COIN is approved by default. We are also down from three to only two SEC commissioners at present who make the decision. If they have any doubt I think they will protect their jobs and just say no.

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February 16, 2017, 08:09:25 PM
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For the past months, there's been a HUGE contract holder on OKC.

Longs were dreading he might be long, since he would have to sell at some point, however, today he finally gave a clue to his position.

Since price is rising and his position decreased slightly, he appears to be SHORT and taking a beating.

This contract ends in March 31.  When he closes his position, BTC going to explode whether it be from the depths of 700 due to ETF being rejected, or new all time highs.



I agree with you about the BFX shorts ... that looks like a recipe for disaster :/

This OKC one does too, but its a bit more complex - been watching it while and seemed pretty obvous it was a short due to the, at times, > $80 discount on the quarterly vs weekly and even more vs spot. Also, this position is roughly 50% of the open interest. Not possible to close it in an orderly fashion if it goes the wrong way. Period. And the holder knows this and knew it when he took that size position relative to the market.
However, due to it having an expiry, the owner deos not have to close it. And at any point he can just walk away and take the hit having withdrawn the max maintenance margin/profit possible. The loss from there would be max 5k BTC, possibly only 2.5k, depending on the leverage used, and nothing would actually have to be bought on market at all. The longs just get fucked and not paid out. The OKC futures market is a zero sum game.

If it then gets stopped out, the net result will likely be that there is a massive buy order sitting there unfilled in the OKC futures order book, the loss will be 'socialised' ie. anyone betting against him will not make any money. Its a truly fucked up scenario that will likely doom the exchange imo.

More than that, I would be very surprised if this is not an insider of sorts who has taken this position. Either an OKC 'associate' or a PBoC 'family member'. Only someone with access/control to policies of OKC and or PBoC would commit to such a thing imo. It is insanity otherwise.

The fact that we appear to have two 'systemic risk' sized positions in the market, in the same direction, at the same time, is very disconcerting tbh.

Maybe they know something, maybe they dont. Maybe they can influence things, maybe they can't. But both are too big for this market and are unlikley to end well unless 'shenanigans'. Watch out for a BFX  'hack' ...

Yup, buy spot popcorn, enough for 4-6 weeks!!

So ... sideways then lol

Also, yes, it is my understanding that the ETF has to be officially 'approved' by  the SEC, so 'no comment' = 'no ETF', not 'approved'. Deadline on this is 11th March. No more extensions.
From what I read, most ETF that are not going to be approved are withdrawn close to the final date to save face (ie they are given a nudge, gentlemans agreement style)
I wonder what the twins would choose in this scenario (we may never ge to find out of course!)

 

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February 16, 2017, 08:16:58 PM
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CSO of Bitfinex was on whalepool chat saying they would protect short sellers in case of cascading margin calls to the upside.

Why on earth would the CSO get involved in individual trades? He should do his job of running an exchange.
If short traders are foolish and get hurt, that's life.

I agree, if they made their bed then let them lie in it. Shit happens, if you gamble your lofe away financially by shorting then you must face the consequences.


Rather shocking to see that comment. It's none of their business. To protect their customers they will attempt to manipulate the market once more? As if there isn't enough manipulation going on.
This CSO should be fired imho.

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