2 Unconfirmed transactions

[Bakha]

Hey.

I am in a bit of a mess right now as i have two unconfirmed transactions stuck in the network, the first one was due to very low fee as i did not notice i had on very low fee and i then tried to doublespend the coins and now i see that even the next one is unconfirmed for several hours.

It's possible to see one of the transactions on blockexplorer and all others but the new transaction is only visible on Blockchain.info as i can see.

What can i do guys, i'm really in need of these coins asap. Using bitcoin core btw.

Best regards
B

[Jhanzo]

Post the transaction IDs so we can understand what's happening better.

[Bakha]

Txid for the new one: f96ee3d9009945026b951382511247f928e59f48206f07986ef966108e058ae1
And the old one: 06fba0277a866beeb71c8d95a0bf6721bc9b3c1d220a0c4cd7b9d55a3b576b53

Thought that double spending would rid me of this problem but now I seem to be in a bigger mess actually.

[Jhanzo]

Txid for the new one: f96ee3d9009945026b951382511247f928e59f48206f07986ef966108e058ae1
And the old one: 06fba0277a866beeb71c8d95a0bf6721bc9b3c1d220a0c4cd7b9d55a3b576b53

Thought that double spending would rid me of this problem but now I seem to be in a bigger mess actually.

Both have low fee actually.  The first (old) one is using less than 1.5 satoshi per byte which makes most nodes reject it and the second transaction is using only 35 satoshi per byte.  The reccomended fee is 76 satoshi per byte according to https://btc.com/stats/unconfirmed-tx.

You can try using this site to make the second transaction confirm faster.  It might still take few hours though.

[yakuza699]

You can try using this site to make the second transaction confirm faster.  It might still take few hours though.

ViaBtc rejects all transactions that have a fee of less than 10 sat/B. And since his second transaction spends an unconfirmed output from his first transaction he cannot push it to ViaBtc because that transaction simply doesn't exist in their mempool.

[Jhanzo]

You can try using this site to make the second transaction confirm faster.  It might still take few hours though.

ViaBtc rejects all transactions that have a fee of less than 10 sat/B. And since his second transaction spends an unconfirmed output from his first transaction he cannot push it to ViaBtc because that transaction simply doesn't exist in their mempool.

Uhh.  As far as I can tell the second transaction (new) is a double spend of the first (old) transaction.  Both are not spending any unconfirmed output.

[Bakha]

So what is the best solution for me right now? Could i make a third try and spend the coins with a very high fee and get it through? Made the second transaction with the recommended fee on bitcoin core.

[yakuza699]

Uhh.  As far as I can tell the second transaction (new) is a double spend of the first (old) transaction.  Both are not spending any unconfirmed output.

My bad. I though it was the usual case. The guy sends a tx with low fee then spends the change and complains that his "high fee" transaction doesn't confirm. So I didn't even checked the explorers.

So what is the best solution for me right now? Could i make a third try and spend the coins with a very high fee and get it through? Made the second transaction with the recommended fee on bitcoin core.

Spend one of those outputs from your new transaction with a high fee of 200 sat/B so that both transactions get included in the block. There are a lots of CPFP pools nowadays.

[Bakha]

Do I need to spend from the wallet i recently sent to, or am I to spend from the original wallet that has two unconfirmed transactions sent?

Let me explain a little better: From my bitcoin core wallet, I made both transactions to two different wallets(thought that was what double spending ment). Now i can still -zapwallettxes and try send the bitcoins for a third time to another wallet, is that what you mean or do i need to spend from the new wallet that was supposed to recieve the bitcoins?
The new wallet have not recieved bitcoins yet, and therefore can not spend any bitcoins or am I wrong?

[yakuza699]

Do I need to spend from the wallet i recently sent to, or am I to spend from the original wallet that has two unconfirmed transactions sent?

Spend the coins from your new wallet. Do NOT double-spend them again.

The new wallet have not recieved bitcoins yet, and therefore can not spend any bitcoins or am I wrong?

What do you mean they did not appear? Do you ask if you can spend unconfirmed outputs. Then the answer is yes.
If your coins however did not appear please sing one of these transactions (only one is required)

Code:

0100000001e18a058e1066f96e98076f20489fe528f94712518213956b02459900d9e36ef9000000001976a914dea549d200f83ef902acb7a1b58a244e2fb811b788acffffffff0170fc8837000000001976a914dea549d200f83ef902acb7a1b58a244e2fb811b788ac00000000

With private key of 1MJF22LL41V1BNdvzucU4z41T5pEoZ5Xio
OR

Code:

0100000001e18a058e1066f96e98076f20489fe528f94712518213956b02459900d9e36ef9010000001976a91425cba07833fe0656a9c458a1c7adc835dfe027db88acffffffff01790d6732000000001976a91425cba07833fe0656a9c458a1c7adc835dfe027db88ac00000000

With a private key of 14SqwLchTWUwjK35Vs8cWU9jzZQa1KLMou

They both send coins to the same wallet with a fee of 0.001BTC.

[Bakha]

I sent my first transaction to a company for buying items, so i am not in control of that wallet that was supposed to recieve the bitcoins

The second transaction was sent to a localbitcoins wallet that has not yet recieved the bitcoins so i am not able to send any from that wallet.

[yakuza699]

I sent my first transaction to a company for buying items, so i am not in control of that wallet that was supposed to recieve the bitcoins

First output or first transaction. If it's first transaction than forget about it, that transaction will never confirm.

The second transaction was sent to a localbitcoins wallet that has not yet recieved the bitcoins so i am not able to send any from that wallet.

Again second output or second transaction? Do you own any of these addresses?
1MJF22LL41V1BNdvzucU4z41T5pEoZ5Xio
14SqwLchTWUwjK35Vs8cWU9jzZQa1KLMou
If yes, do what I told earlier, if no double-spend that transaction and now send it with a truly high fee. At least 0.0005BTC

[Bakha]

Dude i am very new at these things 

How can i sign as you said?

[yakuza699]

Dude i am very new at these things 

How can i sign as you said?

Haven't used bitcoin core wallet for years. But it should be something like this:
In console tab (if that thing even exists in newer wallets) type signrawtransaction rawtx.
Replace "rawtx" with one of those that I gave you.
I do not guarantee it will work. As I said I don't use any standalone wallets.

[Bakha]

Well i could try that, but what happens if for example: I have 20 bitcoins, and sent 10 bitcoins to one Adress wich is unconfirmed, Then i -rescan and -zapwallettxes and now i still have 20 bitcoins, now i decide to send 15 bitcoins to another adress with very high fee.

Is it possible for that transaction to get validated even though i alredy spent 10 bitcoins though the transaction is still unconfirmed?

By the way, has the remaining 10 bitcoins alredy changed adress or will the change of adress occur when the first transaction is confirmed?

[yakuza699]

Is it possible for that transaction to get validated even though i alredy spent 10 bitcoins though the transaction is still unconfirmed?

As long ass the first transaction is unconfirmed, yes.

[LoyceV]

Well i could try that, but what happens if for example: I have 20 bitcoins, and sent 10 bitcoins to one Adress wich is unconfirmed, Then i -rescan and -zapwallettxes and now i still have 20 bitcoins, now i decide to send 15 bitcoins to another adress with very high fee.

Is it possible for that transaction to get validated even though i alredy spent 10 bitcoins though the transaction is still unconfirmed?

This would all be possible, but it's also tricky with change addresses and backups. Considering you have to ask the question here, I recommend not to do it. Do this:

You can try using this site to make the second transaction confirm faster.  It might still take few hours though.

This will work.

Next time, for a $8000 payment, use more than $0.08 fee

[Bakha]

Well i just made a double spend and payed a 101 satoshi per byte fee, now i do regret and wish i would pay more fee but im still not totally understanding how much fee i should pay.

And somebody mentioned before that Viabtc will not help with double spending.

[yakuza699]

You can try using this site to make the second transaction confirm faster.  It might still take few hours though.

This will work.

It will not. Please read the the whole thread before spamming your signature.

Well i just made a double spend and payed a 101 satoshi per byte fee, now i do regret and wish i would pay more fee but im still not totally understanding how much fee i should pay.

Still too small. But the weekend is almost here so mempool should clear up. Also I said what fee you should use (0.0005BTC).
You can also check them here bitcoinfees.21.co

Edit: I read more posts of LoyceV and it doesn't seem like he's a signature spammer. Still though next time read a little bit more of the thread not just first and last reply.

[Bakha]

Yakuza do you think i lost my coins forever now?