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January 19, 2016, 02:42:10 AM
 #101

The way I see it is Bitcoin is backed by Electricity, Processing Power and Connectivity.

Which is arguably as good a measure of economic potential as oil, if not a better one, considering our modern economy.

Conversely... there are in fact electricity generators, chip-makers and connectivity providers... who are backed by... Bitcoin! Funny, right?!

Perhaps Bitcoin will find its natural place backing technology and services... while oil and minerals can "back" actual products and infrastructure.
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January 21, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
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I think it doesnt need anything real, simply because there is a limited quantity of it. Just like gold.
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January 21, 2016, 05:53:23 PM
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Aren't all the hashing power and mining farms something very real and tangible?

The network is more powerful than any known supercomputer

 
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January 21, 2016, 06:19:59 PM
Last edit: January 21, 2016, 11:32:09 PM by odolvlobo
 #104

Different people generally mean different things when they write "backed by". You need to be careful to explain what you mean when you use the words "backed by".

For example, the words "backed by" mean something different in each of these:

  • The dollar is no longer backed by gold and Bitcoin is backed by nothing.
  • The dollar is backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government.
  • The dollar is backed by the U.S. military.
  • The dollar is backed by banks.
  • Bitcoin is backed by math.
  • Bitcoin is backed by the processing power of the network.
  • Bitcoin is backed by electricity.

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January 21, 2016, 06:58:56 PM
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Before seeing this thread I had the same question. Now I understand the true meaning and value of bitcoin!
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January 21, 2016, 07:07:38 PM
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Not sure why this thread got necrobumped, but I do like seeing these old ones. 

Bitcoin doesn't need anything backing it, and it's the same thing with other currencies in the world.  Yeah it used to be the case that each dollar had an ounce of silver behind it, but that turned out to be unnecessary.  If people decide something represents the fruit of their labors (that's what's behind it), it's money.

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January 21, 2016, 07:10:38 PM
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Bitcoin doesn't need to be backed by anything. The only reason anything has value is because people are willing to pay said amount for the product. People is what gives real value to something. Look at how long we've used fiat without anything backing it.
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January 21, 2016, 10:00:16 PM
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Bitcoin is independent of all. It doesnot need to be backed up by anything materialistic.

It is mainly backed up by the ongoing transactions which are validated and added into a block by miners, solving special mathematical notations.
I hope this brief explanation helps Wink
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January 22, 2016, 06:55:16 AM
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Well, philosophically, everything is backed by something. The trick is to make the "further" connections, and use those connection to see further into the future than anyone else.

The problem with something that is "not backed" by something... is that it's usually "backed" by some small group of people's beliefs and ideas about the future - and most people are greedy and only think about themselves, and as such their ideas about what something should do, only includes prosperity for themselves or their world view - history has shown many, many times over how a minority group uplifted themselves on the backs of a majority. Part of the reason Democracy leads to greater peace is because if you look after the majority first, the minority can take care of itself in most instances. It has almost never happened the other way around... power corrupts, is as if it's an inescapable part of our DNA. 

So tangibly seeing or understanding what something is backed by, gives something legitimacy - especially if that "backing thing" is something that is fundamentally necessary.

So we used to use gold as a currency. Then the paper represented the gold... but when people could no longer see the gold, and when banks realized that not everyone comes to ask for their gold at the same time, the banks realized that they can just print as much paper as they like. But they made rules... but there was no way to prove that someone stuck to the rules until Bitcoin arrived.

So eventually, gold got replaced by oil... and because nobody knows *exactly* how much oil there is in the world, even with the strictest rules, banks managed to wangle things to get away with printing even more money.

In principle, not having something tangibly backed by something - ie. restrained by something - sets in motion a slippery slope. If I can print 1 extra bill, why not 2? But if I can do 2, why not 2 000 000 000 000 000 00 000 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 .... You get my point? So all the countries in the world are in a race to see who can print the most paper money, without causing an outright crash.

So what is "restraining" bitcoin? Well, it's easy: Processing power, Electricity and Connectivity. All things that we need in our modern economy... so Bitcoin has a barometer to measure itself against. If half the world's processing power gets destroyed, less Bitcoins will be minted... and people will have an incentive to rebuild that... but in rebuilding that, they will also rebuild many other things that has lead to our modern society. They will build power plants and computers... which will allow them do much more than just mint Bitcoin.

So why was oil a good idea? Because oil still is the lifeblood of our economy. If a country runs out of oil, chaos ensues. A handful of countries find themselves in this state - no food in the shops, no fuel at the stations, month-long power blackouts, raids by warlords, civil war. Just remove oil (or coal) and most of the world that we know descends into chaos.

So please... everyone saying "it doesn't need to be backed by anything"... lots of people have said that, but no arguments?! What's the point in saying something if you don't know why you're saying it, or if you're not willing to explain why you're saying it?

There are patterns in nature... if you look at the natural world - what is the closest thing that it has to a currency? ...I'd say it's water. Too much, or too little, causes destruction. Just like banks, water has dams, and just like QE, water has rain... The trick is to have the right balance... and if something is "backed" by the right thing, it has a way to see if it is in touch and has the right balance, to instead of messing things up more, actually making everything better.
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