nullc reddit account suspended 2/23/17 What's the story?

[iCEBREAKER]

all the cool people are banned from r/btc and r/bitcoin.

Wrong.  Actual edgelords never posted there in the first place.  We'd sooner sign up for Facebook.   

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[traincarswreck]

all the cool people are banned from r/btc and r/bitcoin.

Wrong.  Actual edgelords never posted there in the first place.  We'd sooner sign up for Facebook.   

alright alright, re-solution, none of the cool people post on r/btc or r/bitcoin

[cypherblock]

are you cypherdoc, cause if so, ill make a fool out of you too.

No. No relation. I was unaware when I created my accounts that there was an infamous "cypherdoc". I would have likely chosen a different name or at least capitalized differently if I had realized that.

[Cøbra]

I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.

Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.

You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.

[jonald_fyookball]

I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.

Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.

You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.

I'm all for BU but i'd be happy with a simple hardfork increasing the blocksize.  Anything is better than the current situation.

[cellard]

I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.

Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.

You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.

I'm all for BU but i'd be happy with a simple hardfork increasing the blocksize.  Anything is better than the current situation.

Not really, fucking up in the process by rushing up things is worse than what we already have, and that is what BUcoin will do.

It's sad to see that nullc is still banned, I expected the situation to get corrected.

I don't care bout the /r/btc shithole but his posts were valuable in /r/bitcoin.

[jonald_fyookball]

I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.

Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.

You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.

I'm all for BU but i'd be happy with a simple hardfork increasing the blocksize.  Anything is better than the current situation.

Not really, fucking up in the process by rushing up things is worse than what we already have, and that is what BUcoin will do.

It's sad to see that nullc is still banned, I expected the situation to get corrected.

I don't care bout the /r/btc shithole but his posts were valuable in /r/bitcoin.

so you prefer the one where censorship reigns over the other.

[Quickseller]

I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.

You want users to be less informed? Strange.

This sounds a lot like how fake news spreads...

[traincarswreck]

I'm all for BU but i'd be happy with a simple hardfork increasing the blocksize.  Anything is better than the current situation.

If you can't understand basic economics, what makes you think your opinion on this issue matters or is valid?

[traincarswreck]

so you prefer the one where censorship reigns over the other.

I think you are trying to imply that r/bitcoin is full of censorship and r/btc is not.  If so you might as well stop posting here now cause I'm going to make a fool out of you.  This place is different than r/btc because I am not banned here.  I'll start with highlighting your misunderstanding of what free speech is.

Apologies if I have misunderstood you.

[traincarswreck]

I'm pretty happy with this ban. Maxwell was the main person on there correcting all the bullshit, and with him gone, it'll only get worse (which I think is good). This debate needs to end, and the only way that will happen is when one side actually decides to pull the trigger and do something crazy, and I think Maxwell being banned makes it more likely that they'll start to believe their nonsense more intensely and go along with something dumb.

Probably when BU fails (just like XT & Classic), a new fork attempt will come along and just be a simple hard fork based on a certain block height (they'll market it as "the way Satoshi intended hard forks to be done!"). By that point, /r/btc will be so full of brainwashed and frustrated idiots that it'll be hard for anything to prevent them going down that road. I hope they lose all their coins.

You guys should stop visiting /r/btc, instead of wasting time correcting their nonsense, the best thing to do is just ignore them and let them get more and more extreme, until they destroy themselves.

I get this but I think its relevant to point out that Gmax felt it was some of the best use of his time, and he's prob a good judge of that.  I think the debate needs to end as well but that the way to do it is to move into dialogue: http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Chaos-Complexity/dialogue.pdf

[Cøbra]

You want users to be less informed? Strange.

This sounds a lot like how fake news spreads...

If a minority of idiots have to lose their coins to end this drama, then yes, I'm all for that. If anything this recent obsession with "fake news" has taught us, it's that you can't use facts and logic to make these people stop believing this stuff. For every 1 person you convince, another 2 will be drawn into /r/btc through bitcoin.com or something, and subscribe to the same repeated lies that have been debunked.

I get this but I think its relevant to point out that Gmax felt it was some of the best use of his time, and he's prob a good judge of that.  I think the debate needs to end as well but that the way to do it is to move into dialogue: http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Chaos-Complexity/dialogue.pdf

Probably he felt it was a good use of his time because he thought he was preventing himself from getting smeared, and I imagine it must be hard for him to not respond when most of the abuse is aimed at him and his company. I don't blame him for what he was doing, but all it did was delay things and drag on the debate even further. Why don't we just let them have their insane echo chamber, and let them all fall off a cliff together? Why try to help them?

[jonald_fyookball]

so you prefer the one where censorship reigns over the other.

I think you are trying to imply that r/bitcoin is full of censorship and r/btc is not.

that is what i have heard.

[traincarswreck]

Probably he felt it was a good use of his time because he thought he was preventing himself from getting smeared, and I imagine it must be hard for him to not respond when most of the abuse is aimed at him and his company. I don't blame him for what he was doing, but all it did was delay things and drag on the debate even further. Why don't we just let them have their insane echo chamber, and let them all fall off a cliff together? Why try to help them?

I don't know so much of you, but I am starting with the assumption you are intelligent, and since I don't really agree with you on this, I am considering the possibility that you understand it in a way I don't, and that perhaps you are correct.

Gmax can speak for their self but to me it isn't about the smearing so much (or perhaps only partially is) but rather the opportunity to use the disinformative post as a chance to clear up the misinformation.

It's a good device to be able to address popular troll posts as a way to propagate good information to the sincere people that happen to be reading the drivel. In this we learn not only the truth, but how to address the disinformation and insincere complaints.  So Gmax is also giving out weapons to defenders of truth in this way.

It's sad but I think he brought a lot of value to the community through this. 

But it could be said the time for this is up.  I know I myself have been very critical of the journalists that write stories about hearn gavin and ver because they are perpetuating a false narrative that is not grounded in any (economic) science.  Torpey and Aaron W., to me, should know better but they always seem to have something about Ver in their pieces.  I suspect its possible that Ver has control over much of the bitcoin media content that gets printed and that these two know it and pander to him to get printed.

It might be the intelligent thing to let r/btc and it's supporters cannibalize themselves, and if so then I guess it should be a concerted effort to let them do so.

[traincarswreck]

that is what i have heard.

You should leave before I expose that you are commenting on subjects you know nothing about.

[jonald_fyookball]

that is what i have heard.

You should leave before I expose that you are commenting on subjects you know nothing about.

I know what I hear, my friend.

https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-history-of-censorship-in-r-bitcoin-c85a290fe43#.3uiehexmi

[traincarswreck]

I know what I hear, my friend.

https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-history-of-censorship-in-r-bitcoin-c85a290fe43#.3uiehexmi

You and that author don't know what free speech is.  Let me ask you, what have you read in regard to how the American constitution works? Do you know what our natural rights are and what their relationship is to the difference between censorship and free speech? Also what have you read in regard to economics?

[nyanhtet]

Censorship

[jonald_fyookball]

  Let me ask you, what have you read in regard to how the American constitution works? Do you know what our natural rights are and what their relationship is to the difference between censorship and free speech? Also what have you read in regard to economics?

I understand more than most...although to be fair, the average person is incredibly uninformed, so it's not saying much 

But why don't you stay on point.  Are you saying r/btc is also censored, or are you saying r/bitcoin is not?
Maybe I don't have the full story... go ahead, i'm listening.

[traincarswreck]

  Let me ask you, what have you read in regard to how the American constitution works? Do you know what our natural rights are and what their relationship is to the difference between censorship and free speech? Also what have you read in regard to economics?

I understand more than most...although to be fair, the average person is incredibly uninformed, so it's not saying much 

But why don't you stay on point.  Are you saying r/btc is also censored, or are you saying r/bitcoin is not?
Maybe I don't have the full story... go ahead, i'm listening.

I asked you questions, I want you to show that you actually have read the associated literature.  I want you to make an attempt to show that you know what you are talking about, and that your only ability isn't just creating an account and posting on a forum.

What is your ACTUAL knowledge and experience with these subjects?