What to do when you got robbed (like allinvain)

[dircules]

first:

I hope I reach allinvain, which got stolen 25.000 BC...this forum anti-spam is annoying, I can not even write him a PM.

ok:

so, what I would do if I got robbed of my bitcoins:

1. Persistently trace the transactions of my stolen BC through blockchain (should be possible)
2. Publish a list of these transactions every day publically, especially here on the forum
3. Sue everyone that I can get hold of for concealment of stolen goods. (You can always know who got your stolen coins through blockchain)

Point three especially applies to money exchanges like MtGox.

E.g.: Someone cashes out any of my stolen coins at MtGox => If MtGox cashes out, sue them for concealment of stolen goods and claim the BCs invovled.


Fortunately I don´t own any BC, so that is one concern less.

[joepie91]

first:

I hope I reach allinvain, which got stolen 25.000 BC...this forum anti-spam is annoying, I can not even write him a PM.

ok:

so, what I would do if I got robbed of my bitcoins:

1. Persistently trace the transactions of my stolen BC through blockchain (should be possible)
2. Publish a list of these transactions every day publically, especially here on the forum
3. Sue everyone that I can get hold of for concealment of stolen goods. (You can always know who got your stolen coins through blockchain)

Point three especially applies to money exchanges like MtGox.

E.g.: Someone cashes out any of my stolen coins at MtGox => If MtGox cashes out, sue them for concealment of stolen goods and claim the BCs invovled.


Fortunately I don´t own any BC, so that is one concern less.

And how do you know your bitcoins don't get mixed with others so that someone who has "tainted" coins doesn't actually know they were stolen at one point?

I recall something about "every dollar has touched cocaine at some point".

[dircules]

If I publish the tainted transactions and it is public knowledge, then nobody can say they didn´t know. If I sell you a stolen car, the car legally gets returned to its rightful owner.

[joepie91]

If I publish the tainted transactions and it is public knowledge, then nobody can say they didn´t know. If I sell you a stolen car, the car legally gets returned to its rightful owner.

You expect for example a company that is selling hosting, to actively verify the identity of everyone who buys hosting, then check all inputs for possible traces of tained coins through the entire blockchain, and then publicly call out about this person? Or what?

What you are suggesting is unreasonable, unfeasible, and impossible to enforce. You simply cannot expect someone to trace back *every* single payment they get to find out whether there might possible be a vague trace of tainted coins.

[zweice]

I would do nothing. Its gone 

[tehcodez]

Yet another noob unaware of how crime actually works (or how this btc thing works), or what something like chauming blinding offers.

[Did_Not_Rob_AllInVain]

This AllInVain released my info to some ppl in the middle east to harass me because he believes i stole his coins in 2011 - i am not a crook and do not hide my identity - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5343834.msg57234056#msg57234056 - and he should not release  my info on the web - i never owned bitcoin

[Erumo]

Call Ghostbusters !

[Did_Not_Rob_AllInVain]

wow 25 btc. ur lucky

i don't know more like 25000 he claims

there should be fucking laws where if you get accused like this you get to keep it

[nakamura12]

You won't be able to know where your btc will go. If the one who stole it try to exchange his/her btc to eth then eth to btc. Can you trace it?. I don't think you'll be able to trace it anymore plus there's also chipmixer and other same services to confuse trackers. What will you do when that happen to yourself?.

[Did_Not_Rob_AllInVain]

You won't be able to know where your btc will go. If the one who stole it try to exchange his/her btc to eth then eth to btc. Can you trace it?. I don't think you'll be able to trace it anymore plus there's also chipmixer and other same services to confuse trackers. What will you do when that happen to yourself?.

yes great

[stompix]

1. Persistently trace the transactions of my stolen BC through blockchain (should be possible)
2. Publish a list of these transactions every day publically, especially here on the forum
3. Sue everyone that I can get hold of for concealment of stolen goods. (You can always know who got your stolen coins through blockchain)

Good luck tracing continuously those bitcoins through multiple mixers, you will never be able to keep up to date with the addresses that hold those coins. Another big problem is that you will need to inform an exchange before the thief gets his coins out of there and more importantly find out when those coins are hitting an exchange address. The next one is that you will never be able to sue an exchange just because you publish a list on a website, you need to inform them in an official letter of those stolen goods, and only if they refuse to lock them can you go an sue them, otherwise any lawyer will just laugh in your face, including the ones you want to hire for this.

Besides, there are thousands of ATMs in the world, one tx, 1 confirmation, and the thief can extract 5k euros at a time and be gone, how much do you think fake papers costs to avoid ID requirements? And it doesn't even stop there, he could simply exchange the coins OTC or via decentralized exchanges for other cryptos or money, how would you be able to tell the coins are still owned by the thief?