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February 25, 2017, 02:24:16 AM
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"The anti-Putin paranoia here is astonishing.

That he is a killer, a KGB thug, a murderer, is part of the daily rant of John McCain. At the Munich Security Conference this last weekend, Sen. Lindsey Graham promised, “2017 is going to be a year of kicking Russia in the ass in Congress.” How’s that for statesmanship.

But how does a president negotiate a modus vivendi with a rival great power when the leaders of his own party are sabotaging him and his efforts?

As for the mainstream media, they appear bent upon the ruin of Trump, and the stick with which they mean to beat him to death is this narrative:

Trump is the Siberian Candidate, the creature of Putin and the Kremlin. His ties to the Russians are old and deep. It was to help Trump that Russia hacked the DNC and the computer of Clinton campaign chief John Podesta, and saw to it WikiLeaks got the emails out to the American people during the campaign. Trump’s people secretly collaborated with Russian agents.

Believing Putin robbed Hillary Clinton of the presidency, Democrats are bent on revenge—on Putin and Trump.

And the epidemic of Russophobia makes it almost impossible to pursue normal relations. Indeed, in reaction to the constant attacks on them as poodles of Putin, the White House seems to be toughening up toward Russia."

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In my opinion, John McCain and Lindsey Graham should resign from the Republican party, and join the Democrats. McCain is a corrupt neocon, and Graham is a gay liberal. They will be more comfortable, being in the Democrat party.

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February 25, 2017, 09:55:51 AM
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who is anti putin, donald trump in US president this now friendship with putin
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February 25, 2017, 10:45:44 AM
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That he is a killer, a KGB thug, a murderer

This is all true (even if the KGB has turned into the FSB), so how is that paranoia? I think Putin himself would admit these things behind closed doors. The funniest part of all this, is Putin tried so hard to get Trump into power and now he has no control over this lunatic in the White House. I guess Putin still wins with Trump working so hard to diminish American legitimacy in so many areas.

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February 25, 2017, 02:59:36 PM
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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.
Please ask Russian neighbors what they think about Putin and Russia today.
They are all afraid from Russia and asking Nato and America to protect them.
Russia and Putin have very aggressive politics toward Ukraine, Georgia, Balkan region etc.
I the Montenegro they tried to violently oust the democratically elected government in order to prevent Montenegro to join NATO.
So, obviously, Putin is not fun of democracy, freedom and western world, don't be naive.


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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.

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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.

Depends on how great he wants to make russia again.
The biggest difference of putins politics to any other is that he has time (see the gleichschaltung of the russian media which took around a decade).
He can reign for next 50 years if he can stop the economic meltdown of russia.

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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.
If Putin isn't enemy for Europe, why he is keeping huge army forces in Kaliningrad - it's most militarized region of Russia. Their military exercise Zapad 2017 can be one of the preparations how to cut off land road to Baltic states, so called Suwalki koridor.

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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.
If Putin isn't enemy for Europe, why he is keeping huge army forces in Kaliningrad - it's most militarized region of Russia. Their military exercise Zapad 2017 can be one of the preparations how to cut off land road to Baltic states, so called Suwalki koridor.

Kaliningrad is a Russian enclave surrounded by hostile forces on all sides. And in addition to that, the NATO has conducted multiple military exercises close to the Kaliningrad border. Russia is doing the right thing by defending the enclave.

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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.
If Putin isn't enemy for Europe, why he is keeping huge army forces in Kaliningrad - it's most militarized region of Russia. Their military exercise Zapad 2017 can be one of the preparations how to cut off land road to Baltic states, so called Suwalki koridor.

Kaliningrad is a Russian enclave surrounded by hostile forces on all sides. And in addition to that, the NATO has conducted multiple military exercises close to the Kaliningrad border. Russia is doing the right thing by defending the enclave.

Come on.
Nato exercises usually includes just some thousand of soldiers (in relation to russias 10s of thousand).
In an emergency case russia would just need to fart and the nato soldiers would run.

Nato wont fight a conventional war with russia. We know from the cold war that this is not possible.

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February 26, 2017, 02:01:52 PM
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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.
If Putin isn't enemy for Europe, why he is keeping huge army forces in Kaliningrad - it's most militarized region of Russia. Their military exercise Zapad 2017 can be one of the preparations how to cut off land road to Baltic states, so called Suwalki koridor.

Kaliningrad is a Russian enclave surrounded by hostile forces on all sides. And in addition to that, the NATO has conducted multiple military exercises close to the Kaliningrad border. Russia is doing the right thing by defending the enclave.
Let's start with the fact that Russia did not initially correctly when captured Konigsberg and made it their enclave. In addition, the Russian General, provocateurs and aggressors. I don't know of another country which would act in our time by such methods. It is a pity that the world can't unite and boycott Russia until the collapse and abandonment of its Imperial ambitions.
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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.

Depends on how great he wants to make russia again.
The biggest difference of putins politics to any other is that he has time (see the gleichschaltung of the russian media which took around a decade).
He can reign for next 50 years if he can stop the economic meltdown of russia.

I also think that he want to rule Russia like new Stalin or czar Peter the Great, as dictator.
His ambition is obviously to restore USSR and to become first global super power, like in the old days, during cold war.
It seems that ordinary Russians like such vision and even are willing to sacrifice their own lives, have a worse standard of living, if this means that their country will be great again.
Russian national pride and desire for former greatness are great and Putin is the best president in such conditions and circumstances.



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Let's start with the fact that Russia did not initially correctly when captured Konigsberg and made it their enclave. In addition, the Russian General, provocateurs and aggressors. I don't know of another country which would act in our time by such methods. It is a pity that the world can't unite and boycott Russia until the collapse and abandonment of its Imperial ambitions.

You what? Germany paid the prize for attacking the USSR without any reason. And Konigsberg was not the only piece of land they lost after the war. If you remember correctly, France got the Alsace-Lorraine, and Poland got the eastern provinces (Danzig - Westpreußen, Ostpreußen, Pommern, Oberschlesien, and Niederschlesien).

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Let's start with the fact that Russia did not initially correctly when captured Konigsberg and made it their enclave. In addition, the Russian General, provocateurs and aggressors. I don't know of another country which would act in our time by such methods. It is a pity that the world can't unite and boycott Russia until the collapse and abandonment of its Imperial ambitions.

You what? Germany paid the prize for attacking the USSR without any reason. And Konigsberg was not the only piece of land they lost after the war. If you remember correctly, France got the Alsace-Lorraine, and Poland got the eastern provinces (Danzig - Westpreußen, Ostpreußen, Pommern, Oberschlesien, and Niederschlesien).
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Let's start with the fact that Russia did not initially correctly when captured Konigsberg and made it their enclave. In addition, the Russian General, provocateurs and aggressors. I don't know of another country which would act in our time by such methods. It is a pity that the world can't unite and boycott Russia until the collapse and abandonment of its Imperial ambitions.

You what? Germany paid the prize for attacking the USSR without any reason. And Konigsberg was not the only piece of land they lost after the war. If you remember correctly, France got the Alsace-Lorraine, and Poland got the eastern provinces (Danzig - Westpreußen, Ostpreußen, Pommern, Oberschlesien, and Niederschlesien).
Germany has indeed paid reparations to the Soviet Union for the attack on him. This suggests that sooner or later Russia will pay reparations Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. I do not see much difference between Hitler and Putin.
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In my opinion, John McCain and Lindsey Graham should resign from the Republican party, and join the Democrats. McCain is a corrupt neocon, and Graham is a gay liberal. They will be more comfortable, being in the Democrat party.

Speaking about John McCuck I mean John McCain (Sorry, get those mixed up all the time) some news just came out about his pay for play foundation that is very similar to the foundation that the Clintons ran. I think McCain is secretly a democrat and is only still in the Republican party and being re-elected is due to him being a Vietnam war veteran who uses that to his advantage.

Now I'll give him respect for his service, but using that service in order to further your own personal wealth and career in politics is absolutely disgusting. Waiting for him to get indicted on some charges one day for corruption with the Saudis or some other country.




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February 28, 2017, 02:01:24 AM
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Let's start with the fact that Russia did not initially correctly when captured Konigsberg and made it their enclave. In addition, the Russian General, provocateurs and aggressors. I don't know of another country which would act in our time by such methods. It is a pity that the world can't unite and boycott Russia until the collapse and abandonment of its Imperial ambitions.

You what? Germany paid the prize for attacking the USSR without any reason. And Konigsberg was not the only piece of land they lost after the war. If you remember correctly, France got the Alsace-Lorraine, and Poland got the eastern provinces (Danzig - Westpreußen, Ostpreußen, Pommern, Oberschlesien, and Niederschlesien).
Germany has indeed paid reparations to the Soviet Union for the attack on him. This suggests that sooner or later Russia will pay reparations Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. I do not see much difference between Hitler and Putin.

Yeah.. keep dreaming about the repatriations. Georgia tried to annex South Ossetia, and this lead to the latter breaking away from that nation. The same happened in Moldova, after the Romanians tried to revoke the autonomy of Transnistria. The case of Donbass is also similar.

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maybe not anti-putin, but anti comunism

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Putin is not our friend, to say the least.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.

Depends on how great he wants to make russia again.
The biggest difference of putins politics to any other is that he has time (see the gleichschaltung of the russian media which took around a decade).
He can reign for next 50 years if he can stop the economic meltdown of russia.

I also think that he want to rule Russia like new Stalin or czar Peter the Great, as dictator.
His ambition is obviously to restore USSR and to become first global super power, like in the old days, during cold war.
It seems that ordinary Russians like such vision and even are willing to sacrifice their own lives, have a worse standard of living, if this means that their country will be great again.
Russian national pride and desire for former greatness are great and Putin is the best president in such conditions and circumstances.




I concur. Putin is a creature of his nature. I would think less of him, to be honest, if all those years in intelligence didn't turn him into what he is today. You have an agent of one of the most brutally effective intelligence agencies in the entire world. Of course he is going to be a bit of a dick. Being a dick kept him and his country alive during a nuclear standoff. You don't fix what isnt broken.

With that being said, I don't agree with his ideology. He brings a dated perspective to prominence, and his message is a bit diluted by the rampant corruption present in his government. I'd say he is effectively strippibg state assets for personal enrichment. But nothing that isn't happening in the good old US of A. Nowadays, this is the way politics are conducted. For personal enrichment.

The majority of our Congress became Russia-philes overnight.

These are strange days, friends.
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