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February 28, 2017, 10:52:52 AM
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A German man has been beheaded by Abu Sayyaf militants in the southern Philippines after a deadline to pay his ransom passed.

Philippine and German officials confirmed that 70-year-old Jurgen Kantner had been killed after being held for three months by the Islamist militant group.
It was the second time Kantner, 70, had been abducted. He was held along with his partner, Sabine Merz, by Somali pirates for nearly two months in 2008.

Link: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/27/asia/philippines-german-behead-abu-sayyaf/

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February 28, 2017, 10:58:59 AM
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I feel sad for this German...

I think this is What the Philippine president should be doing, instead of eradicating street dwellers who are inhaling something, he should be dealing with this barbaric terrorist. He should have wage a full scale war on those terrorist before they could make another move...

Aside from that, there are still communist insurgents in some provinces which sometimes is showing that they still have force...

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February 28, 2017, 11:41:34 AM
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This is a very sad news and my heart goes out to the german victim's family. These bandits have been doing this for a long time blemishing this beautiful country's tourism. I don't think this group would be worth any peace talks as they're pure evil bent on sowing fear and terror among foreigners and locals alike. They're on an ISIS level if you ask me and i think the philippine government should make it one of the top priorities to put an end to these people's reign of terror. I don't think diplomacy will work for them anymore.

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This is a very sad news and my heart goes out to the german victim's family. These bandits have been doing this for a long time blemishing this beautiful country's tourism. I don't think this group would be worth any peace talks as they're pure evil bent on sowing fear and terror among foreigners and locals alike. They're on an ISIS level if you ask me and i think the philippine government should make it one of the top priorities to put an end to these people's reign of terror. I don't think diplomacy will work for them anymore.
Germany is a country which is in Europe fighting for the rights and the reception of migrants. It seems to me that someone is interested in how to disrupt this process. Muslims created the problem of refugees and are now trying to rekindle Europe's fascist sentiment. I am sure that Muslims are guided from outside. It's probably Russia.
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February 28, 2017, 01:24:56 PM
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Whats the president of the Philiipians doing about this, Duterte should hunt and kill them the same way he does the drug addicts and sellers. This brings total shame and will in some way hurt tourism revenues.

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February 28, 2017, 01:57:30 PM
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This is a very sad news and my heart goes out to the german victim's family. These bandits have been doing this for a long time blemishing this beautiful country's tourism. I don't think this group would be worth any peace talks as they're pure evil bent on sowing fear and terror among foreigners and locals alike. They're on an ISIS level if you ask me and i think the philippine government should make it one of the top priorities to put an end to these people's reign of terror. I don't think diplomacy will work for them anymore.
Germany is a country which is in Europe fighting for the rights and the reception of migrants. It seems to me that someone is interested in how to disrupt this process. Muslims created the problem of refugees and are now trying to rekindle Europe's fascist sentiment. I am sure that Muslims are guided from outside. It's probably Russia.

It's been a long time now that this problem is existing here in the Philippines and it has nothing to do with other country's problem. What I mean is, there are lots of other nationalities here being kidnapped by those terrorists and they always asks for ransom, and some locals are not an exception in those kidnappings. They usually behead those if their demands are not given.

Whats the president of the Philiipians doing about this, Duterte should hunt and kill them the same way he does the drug addicts and sellers. This brings total shame and will in some way hurt tourism revenues.

It is a shame to the international community, but as usual, he would just say "S**t the Fnck up".

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February 28, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
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sadly to say that even the DU30 trying put peace inside the country but this bandits still exist nothing will be accomplished and the country's name is at shame maybe all of us here wanted to eradicate this people peace talks is no longer needed just plain all out war and really vanished them all to make this country more attractive to tourist and investors.

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February 28, 2017, 02:32:49 PM
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I doubt he will do anything against these guys. He will be busy cleaning up the streets from drugs for the rest of his term. After he leaves things will probably just go back to the way they were.
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I didn't even know that there were terrorists on the phillipines I thougt it was comfy and peaceful over there...  Embarrassed
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As a Filipino I feel obliged to say this - I'm sorry for what happened to the poor man. They killed his wife and now they killed him as well.  Angry

To anyone reading here who have any intention of visiting the Philippines and have not yet been turned off by this news - do yourself a favor and just go to a nice beach in the Visayas or to some quaint old town in Luzon. You could still get kidnapped but at least criminals here up north don't have a habit of decapitating people. If you're really adamant on staying in Mindanao, at least stay in the more safer parts like Davao or CDO. OK, I'll be blunt with this - just stay away from Muslim areas.

Especially the waters around Sulu and Tawi-tawi. Even without terrorists, those sea lanes are a favorite of pirates. Terrorists and pirates just go back and forth Borneo and the Philippines (or hide on one of the smaller islands) that recently the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia have started meetings to establish a joint patrol.
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You need to remember that the Muslims are just around 5% of the population in the Philippines. If they behave like this when they are a small minority, then how will they behave once they become the majority?

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You need to remember that the Muslims are just around 5% of the population in the Philippines. If they behave like this when they are a small minority, then how will they behave once they become the majority?

Not all muslims in the Philippines are bandits, only those who are not contented with their lives, and usually in the southern part of the Philippines, private armed groups are common, even a simple community are armed due to the attacks their fellow muslims are doing to their community....

One good solution to that which I think will be effective is to build more infrastructures on that southern area, specially those heavily impoverished  places and put lots of military camps their til those bandits are forced to the edges when they can't win skirmishes anymore due to camps near by that which could rescue those on patrols or vise versa...

By the way, speaking about the abu sayaff, they are heavily bombarded now by the military and the two new FA 50 jets from air force are helping and dropping bombs to those terrorists....  Smiley

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if the ship passed through the sea south of the Philippines will always be problematic
in mindano island always danger to foreigner tourist

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You need to remember that the Muslims are just around 5% of the population in the Philippines. If they behave like this when they are a small minority, then how will they behave once they become the majority?

Not all muslims in the Philippines are bandits, only those who are not contented with their lives, and usually in the southern part of the Philippines, private armed groups are common, even a simple community are armed due to the attacks their fellow muslims are doing to their community....

One good solution to that which I think will be effective is to build more infrastructures on that southern area, specially those heavily impoverished  places and put lots of military camps their til those bandits are forced to the edges when they can't win skirmishes anymore due to camps near by that which could rescue those on patrols or vise versa...

By the way, speaking about the abu sayaff, they are heavily bombarded now by the military and the two new FA 50 jets from air force are helping and dropping bombs to those terrorists....  Smiley

There will be no progress unless these people come out of their religious myopia. Can you name a single progressive Islamic nation? Look at the richest Muslim nations such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Despite all the wealth, they still follow the 7th century traditions and customs.

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You need to remember that the Muslims are just around 5% of the population in the Philippines. If they behave like this when they are a small minority, then how will they behave once they become the majority?

Not all muslims in the Philippines are bandits, only those who are not contented with their lives, and usually in the southern part of the Philippines, private armed groups are common, even a simple community are armed due to the attacks their fellow muslims are doing to their community....

One good solution to that which I think will be effective is to build more infrastructures on that southern area, specially those heavily impoverished  places and put lots of military camps their til those bandits are forced to the edges when they can't win skirmishes anymore due to camps near by that which could rescue those on patrols or vise versa...

By the way, speaking about the abu sayaff, they are heavily bombarded now by the military and the two new FA 50 jets from air force are helping and dropping bombs to those terrorists....  Smiley

There will be no progress unless these people come out of their religious myopia. Can you name a single progressive Islamic nation? Look at the richest Muslim nations such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Despite all the wealth, they still follow the 7th century traditions and customs.

No doubt, to be honest, the culture of those terrorists and other armed groups there are still locked from the past... They are always stating that they defend their land before from conquerors, and so as today, they are using the same reason up to today and they are deceiving their fellow that it is still the reason why they are fighting...

Actually, giving them the permission to have their own autonomy has no good, the war lords will be the ones who will just benefit from it and not the whole region...  Smiley

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if the ship passed through the sea south of the Philippines will always be problematic
in mindano island always danger to foreigner tourist
Yes, the sea south of the Philippines will be a new Somalia. Many ships were hijacked when by sea south of the Philippines, Indonesia ship ever hijacked up to 3 times when passing there. In last January there is also a ship that was attacked and eight people were killed, beheaded a German men were also tragic and must be handled with firmly. Security there is not very good so much going on hijacking. Southern Philippines is considered very vulnerable because it is the headquarters of the Abu Sayyaf militants and other separatist groups, they include groups of ISIS are often hijack cargo ship. Citizens who once held hostage besides Germany and Indonesia are Canada, Netherlands, Japan, Malaysia and Vietnam.
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Actually, giving them the permission to have their own autonomy has no good, the war lords will be the ones who will just benefit from it and not the whole region...  Smiley

Giving them autonomy had its own benefits. The violence has come down, and a lot of the armed groups laid down their weapons. But if the economic development is not satisfactory, then the natives will be more inclined to join the insurgent groups such as Abu Sayyaf.

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Actually, giving them the permission to have their own autonomy has no good, the war lords will be the ones who will just benefit from it and not the whole region...  Smiley

Giving them autonomy had its own benefits. The violence has come down, and a lot of the armed groups laid down their weapons. But if the economic development is not satisfactory, then the natives will be more inclined to join the insurgent groups such as Abu Sayyaf.

Maybe that's the end point, but the question there is, do they really laid down their weapons? I doubt it, they want control over the area, that is why they are pushing it to happen... Sooner they will create their country inside the country...  Cheesy Just like how those ISIS and other militants wants in the west...  Smiley

One more thing are NPA's, their warlords are swimming in wealth and good life while those who are fighting while their fighters don't even have a boots to wear...

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A German man has been beheaded by Abu Sayyaf militants in the southern Philippines after a deadline to pay his ransom passed.

Philippine and German officials confirmed that 70-year-old Jurgen Kantner had been killed after being held for three months by the Islamist militant group.
It was the second time Kantner, 70, had been abducted. He was held along with his partner, Sabine Merz, by Somali pirates for nearly two months in 2008.

Link: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/27/asia/philippines-german-behead-abu-sayyaf/

Its unfortunate that a German had to lost his life in that way and those people responsible have move a step forward in soiling the name of their religion in making more generalizations to happen as per other people practicing such religion. As for the authorities not being able to rescue him, I guess they are tired after they had done same thing for him in 2008 and he got himself kidnapped again. 

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Actually, giving them the permission to have their own autonomy has no good, the war lords will be the ones who will just benefit from it and not the whole region...  Smiley

Giving them autonomy had its own benefits. The violence has come down, and a lot of the armed groups laid down their weapons. But if the economic development is not satisfactory, then the natives will be more inclined to join the insurgent groups such as Abu Sayyaf.

Maybe that's the end point, but the question there is, do they really laid down their weapons? I doubt it, they want control over the area, that is why they are pushing it to happen... Sooner they will create their country inside the country...  Cheesy Just like how those ISIS and other militants wants in the west...  Smiley

One more thing are NPA's, their warlords are swimming in wealth and good life while those who are fighting while their fighters don't even have a boots to wear...

We pumped the area full of money taken from the more prosperous regions... nothing happened. It's cultural, their politicians are also members of their local nobility (a system that's basically absent from the rest of the country save for isolated small towns where it don't really matter much). They feel entitled to help themselves on the money given to them. Case in point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maguindanao_massacre The provinces in the ARMM (Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao) is one of the most dangerous election hotspots in the country. That is if they even hold elections. In some towns, since all the politicians are basically clansmen, they just choose one who would run for office unopposed. It makes Manila politics look quite satisfactory by comparison.

As for the Commies, yes their foot soldiers are really underpaid. At least Commies don't behead people. They're also more likely to hostage cops or soldiers rather than tourists and civilians.

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