rupy (OP)
|
|
April 19, 2013, 06:39:58 PM Last edit: May 31, 2013, 11:53:58 AM by rupy |
|
Stolen Bitcoins I tried to search but found no list like this. So here we go, can you please add addresses that we collectively know are the first addresses of stolen bitcoins.
| You need to provide the date, sum and a link to the claim that the coins have been stolen. Only thefts exceeding 1000$ at the time will make the list.
| Claim | 13-04-19 934 /index.php?topic=14085.msg1883478#msg1883478 | Theif | Victim | 16cDeEFn6sraUEJrDCt2Yg3r7j2oazSYEd | 1Gzcbs8dDYzf16qFWKHc5kWKuH8nji3pVt |
| Please post the claim and addresses in the following format so the compilation can be automated:
13-04-19 934 /index.php?topic=14085.msg1883478#msg1883478 16cDeEFn6sraUEJrDCt2Yg3r7j2oazSYEd ...
1Gzcbs8dDYzf16qFWKHc5kWKuH8nji3pVt ...
Where ... would be more addresses.
The purpose of this list is to gather theif addresses to follow the trail of stolen coins.
|
|
BANKBOOK GWT Wallet & no-FIAT Billing API
|
|
|
joesmoe2012
|
|
April 20, 2013, 01:58:51 AM |
|
This is a great idea, I didn't even keep track when I got ripped off a couple weeks ago.
|
|
|
|
drakahn
|
|
April 20, 2013, 01:59:36 AM |
|
why?
|
14ga8dJ6NGpiwQkNTXg7KzwozasfaXNfEU
|
|
|
joesmoe2012
|
|
April 20, 2013, 02:11:09 AM |
|
Wasn't a list that I new of at that point... :p
|
|
|
|
Jobe7
Full Member
Offline
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
Now they are thinking what to do with me
|
|
April 21, 2013, 04:38:12 PM |
|
urm..
How do you propose to trace coins through a shared wallet?
|
|
|
|
Cdecker
|
|
May 31, 2013, 08:38:56 AM |
|
Single theft, two claims because 2 transactions were made. By the way the two lists of victim and thief should somehow be separated, as there can be multiple on either side. 2012-09-28 8,872 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113775.0 1PwikEnt89thgsMVydpG9uAT1QKyoBLMjZ
1JLqF8kZ2w1Pv4ThX9YpxP3kvFsTyrxwXM 1U1jTCGkQYRaDVStZdDHMFWUMoSJi4HSc 1MQKhQhiRcJfv1X2G7ywgX1oWdVocqvQEw 1PHQKAGYKxDRxdpPL6fWNUwWQxEHGA5oxS
2012-09-28 350 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113775.0 1PHQKAGYKxDRxdpPL6fWNUwWQxEHGA5oxS 1Q2YUKhDNGzFxtqLUGjozgcc1ALpfSer6i
1U1jTCGkQYRaDVStZdDHMFWUMoSJi4HSc
|
|
|
|
Stampbit
|
|
June 01, 2013, 09:52:39 PM |
|
How can you trace this if they go through a mixer?
|
|
|
|
joesmoe2012
|
|
June 01, 2013, 09:56:40 PM |
|
How can you trace this if they go through a mixer?
you can't.
|
|
|
|
ProfMac
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1002
|
|
June 01, 2013, 10:27:26 PM |
|
How can you trace this if they go through a mixer?
You can define the concept of clean and dirty coins. Stolen coins are 100% dirty, freshly mined coins are 100% clean. All the coins that go into a mixer add up to a total of clean and a total of dirty, and all the coins that come out have a known cleanliness. The question is what to do with that information.
|
I try to be respectful and informed.
|
|
|
paraipan
In memoriam
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 924
Merit: 1004
Firstbits: 1pirata
|
|
June 01, 2013, 10:43:02 PM |
|
|
BTCitcoin: An Idea Worth Saving - Q&A with bitcoins on rugatu.com - Check my rep
|
|
|
rupy (OP)
|
|
June 01, 2013, 11:38:46 PM Last edit: June 01, 2013, 11:57:47 PM by rupy |
|
How can you trace this if they go through a mixer?
you can't. You can always trace everything. The question is "will anyone trace anything at any point in the future". If someone builds a "tracer"; meaning software that reverse indexes the blockchain so you immediately can get an answer to the question "was any of the coins I just received reported stolen by anyone at any point in the whole history of bitcoin" then immediately all stolen bitcoins become "worth less". What are the odds that this will happen when bitcoin grows? I would say 100%. There's nothing like the smell of a fresh block of coins! "you cannot steal bitcoins" -rupy You will notice that the ones commenting negatively about this effort bought coins (without sourcing them); while the positive ones, mined theirs. It's greed against honor. I can also promise you that big investors already do this, you don't buy the pig in the bag.Thanks!
|
BANKBOOK GWT Wallet & no-FIAT Billing API
|
|
|
bb999
Member
Offline
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
|
|
June 03, 2013, 08:07:10 PM |
|
Also what verification is there for anyone posting on this list? Everyone of these "stolen" transactions could be made up themselves. That's the nature of the currency.
|
|
|
|
goxed
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1006
Bitcoin / Crypto mining Hardware.
|
|
June 06, 2013, 05:07:23 AM |
|
I got 7.40599066 BTC stolen, due to unencrypted wallet +btc client outside the firewall.
Status: 10782 confirmations Date: 4/1/2013 14:01 To: 149kuVmGKWUwsN8bvu4WTthc6mVwEB3A2E Debit: -7.40599066 BTC Net amount: -7.40599066 BTC Transaction ID: ad30186ab82a59770ba6dbe891846f4dc2c31c61b0f8e72229180ecf146ef18f
|
Revewing Bitcoin / Crypto mining Hardware.
|
|
|
jdbtracker
|
|
June 06, 2013, 02:23:25 PM |
|
there are legal precedents to this, now that the fincen guidelines accept this currency as money, the centuries old examples hold up in court. Direct proceeds of crime are refutable but as long as a honest person accepts stolen money the bank that sources that issued the money must accept back the stolen money from them.
sorry, it's a legal thing, and it's also a personal choice, but a bank as a holder of money has to accept the coins, businesses do not, Bitcoin gives people that option to segregate the coins or atleast build a profound model of how stolen money flows through an economy. A feed back mechanism to crime, we don't accept stolen coins here, and anyone who funds or accept funds from known terrorists, criminals, or corrupt organizations will be black listed by the honest members of society.
Bitcoin creates a profound change in society, buy what you want, how you want it, when you want it, but it also creates a flipside, Individuals become their own law enforcement to the laws that they believe in, We accept coins from the people we want, how we want them, when we want them.
Fund the change you wish to see in the world and stop in it's tracks the change you don't.
|
If you think my efforts are worth something; I'll keep on keeping on. I don't believe in IQ, only in Determination.
|
|
|
Bitware
|
|
June 09, 2013, 05:57:27 PM |
|
there are legal precedents to this, now that the fincen guidelines accept this currency as money, the centuries old examples hold up in court. Direct proceeds of crime are refutable but as long as a honest person accepts stolen money the bank that sources that issued the money must accept back the stolen money from them.
sorry, it's a legal thing, and it's also a personal choice, but a bank as a holder of money has to accept the coins, businesses do not, Bitcoin gives people that option to segregate the coins or atleast build a profound model of how stolen money flows through an economy. A feed back mechanism to crime, we don't accept stolen coins here, and anyone who funds or accept funds from known terrorists, criminals, or corrupt organizations will be black listed by the honest members of society.
Bitcoin creates a profound change in society, buy what you want, how you want it, when you want it, but it also creates a flipside, Individuals become their own law enforcement to the laws that they believe in, We accept coins from the people we want, how we want them, when we want them.
Fund the change you wish to see in the world and stop in it's tracks the change you don't.
Don't you think that's best left for 12 independent members of a Jury to decide?
|
|
|
|
No 1
Full Member
Offline
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Ad Infinitum Et Ultra
|
|
June 14, 2013, 12:24:28 PM |
|
gox ate 10 of my coins a couple weeks back... it was a very dark day
|
12wqXQuExLnWoWWQy7j35hzBEW91bUz1YS LcbBQ5oXtTjyKK4V8iaDqgUAAtahv9nsHR
|
|
|
Drezi
Newbie
Offline
Activity: 45
Merit: 0
|
|
June 16, 2013, 02:45:22 AM |
|
You are going to be compiling that list for while...
|
|
|
|
AliceWonder
|
|
June 17, 2013, 06:10:21 AM |
|
How can you trace this if they go through a mixer?
you can't. You can always trace everything. If mixers the way I think they do, you may be able to trace that the coins were stolen but it would be impossible from the blockchain to tie them to thief. Here's my understanding: Joe steals 10 coins from Betty, sending them to virgin address. Joe then sends from virgin address to Mixer which accepts them in Wallet A Mixer sends 9 coins back to Joe from Wallet B, which does not contain the stolen coins from Betty. Wallet A coins get mixed up and sent around quite a bit before ending in Wallet B. Thus Joe's 9 coins may have traceable dirty origins but they are not the stolen coins from Betty. And anyone trying to prosecute Joe would have trouble because it could be shown any of his dirty coins had lots of transactions after theft but before he got them. So in that sense Joe can spend coins that can't be traced to his theft from Betty. At least not in the blockchain. Is my understanding correct?
|
|
|
|
|
JPSelzer
Member
Offline
Activity: 689
Merit: 14
World's First Crowd Owned Cryptocurrency Exchange
|
|
March 05, 2014, 10:15:39 AM |
|
It is worth noting that the list of stolen bitcoins is so nice short
|
|
|
|
|