Big: Donald Trump claims Obama spyied him, claims this is Watergate-level event

[cellard]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837989835818287106

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837993273679560704

Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837994257566863360

I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837996746236182529

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

This is huge. If he is bullshiting, it will backfire badly if he can't prove it. And if he is saying the truth and can prove it, shit will go down for Obama....


Also, to finish it, he talks about Arnold's rating in the apprentice (lol what a jackass this guy is)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/838016045222854656

Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't voluntarily leaving the Apprentice, he was fired by his bad (pathetic) ratings, not by me. Sad end to great show

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[Lancusters]

"The cardinal rule of the Obama administration was the fact that no official White house never interfered with any investigation under the supervision of the Ministry of justice. As part of the practice, neither President Obama nor any White house official, never gave orders to conduct surveillance of any citizen of the United States. Other claims are simply false." This was stated on Saturday in an official statement, the press Secretary of Barack Obama, Kevin Lewis

[criptix]

I think his source was an article released by breitbart....

But nevertheless my popcorn is ready.

[European Central Bank]

i don't see why anyone would believe anything that comes out of trump any more. the guy's already had a shit all over his credibility. that's something he should be guarding carefully, not throwing away.

if it's true he should be presenting some evidence first and then tweeting like a dick afterwards.

[criptix]

i don't see why anyone would believe anything that comes out of trump any more. the guy's already had a shit all over his credibility. that's something he should be guarding carefully, not throwing away.

if it's true he should be presenting some evidence first and then tweeting like a dick afterwards.

#yesterday_in_sweden

[numismatist]

"The cardinal rule of the Obama administration was the fact that no official White house never interfered with any investigation under the supervision of the Ministry of justice. As part of the practice, neither President Obama nor any White house official, never gave orders to conduct surveillance of any citizen of the United States. Other claims are simply false." This was stated on Saturday in an official statement, the press Secretary of Barack Obama, Kevin Lewis

Sounds official. Even if they tapped some phones, which isn't unlikely, one cannot blurt out about that throwing accusations because it will become a tough job to prove anything. No evidence, case closed.
The wiser approach would have been to enjoy victory above Clinton and leave those nasty details unmentioned.

[HabBear]

i don't see why anyone would believe anything that comes out of trump any more. the guy's already had a shit all over his credibility. that's something he should be guarding carefully, not throwing away.

if it's true he should be presenting some evidence first and then tweeting like a dick afterwards.

^^^ This.

Anything coming from @RealDonaldJTrump is instantly "alternative facts" or "fake news". The guy is allergic to facts. It used to just be embarrassing for him, now it's embarrassing for an entire country.

I wonder what he's doing when he's making his 5am tweets. Is this his time on the phone during his morning poop?

[tvbcof]

It would surprise me if Obama, who I consider to be no more than a deeply corrupt puppet of the deep state, was NOT spying on Trump to the maximum degree possible.  Especially by the middle part of 2016.

As for the 'debunking', asking some Obama spokes-minion is useless and taking his word on things to headline 'false claim' as CNN immediately did is absurd.  I mean how would the spokesperson guy even know?

For my part I was ready to focus mostly (but not completely) on the future and seeing if some of Trump's new direction ideas could work in practice.  We tried the Clinton/Bush/Obama way and it proved a disaster.  The ridiculousness of the Russia stuff is annoying and getting to be more than that.

At this point, even though I am not confident that I have a good understanding of the Trump side, I am willing to tolerate them going full berserker on these scum and breaking the back of the establishment media, Dems, and Reps with no mercy.  Even if they end up bending some ethics in doing so.

My attitude should be a predictable fall-out of the tactics being employed against the Trump movement.  I'll have zero pity if they are savagely mauled because people should not start things that they cannot finish.

[Spendulus]

i don't see why anyone would believe anything that comes out of trump any more. the guy's already had a shit all over his credibility. that's something he should be guarding carefully, not throwing away.

if it's true he should be presenting some evidence first and then tweeting like a dick afterwards.

Did you read the tweet?

Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!

Should be evidence coming.  "Turned down by court earlier...."

[Lieldoryn]

Trump just made a show out of politics. While the show is very poor quality. I would have told him so. Firstly no need to talk on the phone about things that don't want to know others, and secondly, let them provide evidence. Such scandals Trump distracts attention from the charges in connection with the Russian. It will not work!

[Toyking]

Obana is sick

[Sithara007]

Obama is the same guy who wiretapped the phone of one of his best friends (Angela Merkel). So I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same to Donald Trump, or to any other Republican politician.

[HabBear]

Do you read anything but the tweets? Trump never has evidence, nothing ever comes forth. Trump talks shit and never has any serious action to back it up.

i don't see why anyone would believe anything that comes out of trump any more. the guy's already had a shit all over his credibility. that's something he should be guarding carefully, not throwing away.

if it's true he should be presenting some evidence first and then tweeting like a dick afterwards.

Did you read the tweet?

Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!

Should be evidence coming.  "Turned down by court earlier...."

[Xester]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837989835818287106

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837993273679560704

Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837994257566863360

I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837996746236182529

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

This is huge. If he is bullshiting, it will backfire badly if he can't prove it. And if he is saying the truth and can prove it, shit will go down for Obama....


Also, to finish it, he talks about Arnold's rating in the apprentice (lol what a jackass this guy is)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/838016045222854656

Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't voluntarily leaving the Apprentice, he was fired by his bad (pathetic) ratings, not by me. Sad end to great show

Well the Democrats headed by Obama and Clinton was a cheater they are really addicted to winning this election so they could possibly be really doing it before. Desperate people who are corrupt are afraid to lose their power and connection that they use to zip the countries resources and that is why I have no question if they have done those things. The only thing we need to hear now are the evidence leading to their involvement in spying Trump.

[Omega Weapon]

It does not seems there is any kind of solid proof at all, so these are nothing but wild accusations and even if he could proof that he was being monitored by a government agency that does not proof it was under the orders of President Obama.

[Sithara007]

It does not seems there is any kind of solid proof at all, so these are nothing but wild accusations and even if he could proof that he was being monitored by a government agency that does not proof it was under the orders of President Obama.

If Trump couldn't present any proof for his allegations, then it will be hugely damaging for him. On the other hand, if it is established that Obama had actually spied on Trump, then nothing will happen to Obama.

[Spendulus]

Do you read anything but the tweets? Trump never has evidence, nothing ever comes forth. Trump talks shit and never has any serious action to back it up.....

Really?  Here 'ya go.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/03/the-shadow-government-timeline/

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

The Shadow Government Timeline…
Posted on March 3, 2017   by sundance

CTH always falls back upon timelines to see the larger motives, intents and operational objectives of participants.  No matter which entrance hole you follow down into the labyrinth – eventually you end up finding yourself in the same chamber, the treasury.

Every motive seems to consistently boil down to money.

    Ideology without financing is as useful as a pancake to paddle a canoe.

As such – extrapolating from, and adding to, a Breitbart Time Line:

shadow-government-clock

1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

    Admiral Michael Rogers had a visit with President Trump on Friday, November 11th.
    According to the Executive Order rule changes DNI James Clapper signed off on December 15th.
    General Michael Flynn spoke to the Russian Ambassador on December 29th
    Dec 29th 2016 – Obama announces sanctions on Russia

shadow-government

6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

The new rules, which were issued in an unclassified document, entitled Procedures for the Availability or Dissemination of Raw Signals Intelligence Information by the National Security Agency (NSA), significantly relaxed longstanding limits on what the NSA may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations.

These operations are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. Surveillances include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls, and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

The changes initiated by the Obama Administration in its waning days empowered far more agents and officials to search through raw intelligence data.

    Jan 3rd 2017 – Loretta Lynch signs off on rule changes for phone taps.
    Jan 12th 2017 –  WaPo reports On Phone Calls Anonymous Intel Sources
    Jan 15th 2017 – VP Pence appears on Face the nation.
    Jan 20th 2017 – Inauguration
    Jan 23rd 2017 –  FBI reports nothing unlawful in content of Flynn call
    Jan 26th 2017 – Sally Yates (acting DOJ) informs President Trump there might be a conflict between VP Pence’s stated TV version (was told by Flynn), and what Intel community communicate to Yates that Flynn actually expressed to Russia.
    Jan 27th 2017 – White House counsel begins investigation to discrepancy.

7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties.

Other news outlets also report the existence of a multi-agency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was  part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them.

Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Postreports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office.

The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts.

The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

[DeanShow]

It does not seems there is any kind of solid proof at all, so these are nothing but wild accusations and even if he could proof that he was being monitored by a government agency that does not proof it was under the orders of President Obama.

If Trump couldn't present any proof for his allegations, then it will be hugely damaging for him. On the other hand, if it is established that Obama had actually spied on Trump, then nothing will happen to Obama.

I think Trump like a little kid flips out and stomps on the leg of his impotence. He is a stupid man and can not choose the right strategy. Nothing smarter than to make a scene, he figured it out. I hope Obama will sue for libel and win this trial.

[GreenBits]

Let me get this straight.

So you are saying that the head of the executive branch, not the judicial branch (with Mr. 'Let's Investigate' Comey), which would be the only arm of government that would be able to do this legally (and this was legal, because a judge approved it) ordered this survellience? A hostile judge, which denied the request twice (this is very uncommon), was asked by the FBI. The same FBI that kept us awake at night behind some silly ass emails, and that initially refused to investigate Trussia.

 Sounds like, to me, if a judge granted said warrant, after two attempts, (which was specifically targeted at a server that was being used to communicate with Russia, beyond the shadow of a doubt), that maybe, just maybe, there might be something to investigate?

Why are Trump supporters so eager to overlook that our enemy, a foreign state, may have coluded with the current administration to subvert the election? If there is nothing there, why the hesitance to investigate? Surely the truth will set you free. And you can tell all those 'libtards" I told you so.

Isn't the country the most important thing, patriot? Aren't you American? Don't you want to make it great again? Can't be great if our president is giving another state actor that is our enemy a handjob under the table.

[coolcoinz]

The funniest thing in all this, to me at least, is the mentioning of Russia.
Russia if you're listening, it was the russians hackers and so on I don't know why Clinton and Obama are so worried about possible Russian threat, we are no longer living in Cold War time!

[GreenBits]

The funniest thing in all this, to me at least, is the mentioning of Russia.
Russia if you're listening, it was the russians hackers and so on I don't know why Clinton and Obama are so worried about possible Russian threat, we are no longer living in Cold War time!

Can you point out another time in the history of the world were a foreign actor has used state resources to influence an American Democratic function? I'll wait.

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Yeah, about that. No.

We are afraid of Muslims, but not the nuclear superpower that we have had a standoff with in the past? Esp one that is currently fucking with us?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/18/politics/russia-military-test-trump-administration/  *common sense alert - this is not fake news. If you take your news from Breitbart, prepare to have your mind blown with actual, provable facts. They don't make em like this anymore. Alternative facts and such.

So, this would be cool if the RNC got leaked? But the judicial branch ordering a warrant on an American presidential candidate that literally asked for the DNC, publically, to get hacked, that's weird? Because our presidents usually joking ask our Cold War enemies to do more Cold War-esque shit. Perfectly normal, what was I thinking? We will burn the fucking world to the ground in this attempt to make America great again (because we all missed the time when racist, bigoted and misogynistic people called the shots, only to the benefit of themselves).

[frankbit]

The funniest thing in all this, to me at least, is the mentioning of Russia.
Russia if you're listening, it was the russians hackers and so on I don't know why Clinton and Obama are so worried about possible Russian threat, we are no longer living in Cold War time!

It you do not live. And what has changed? If you're not a Russian Troll, tell me. That Russia has become less aggressive? Or Russia suddenly become loving Americans? They were even Americans are not called, there is a special derogatory word. Now is the time to think about hot war!

[BillyBobZorton]

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump got spyied, after all, the NSA are world class at getting inside everyone's private communications. Nontheless, Trump's credibility is at all time lows right now. I can't believe anything he says without solid proof, and im not seeing anything yet beyond some Alex Jones tier conspiracy "facts".

[Spendulus]

Let me get this straight.

So you are saying that the head of the executive branch, not the judicial branch (with Mr. 'Let's Investigate' Comey), which would be the only arm of government that would be able to do this legally (and this was legal, because a judge approved it) ordered this survellience? A hostile judge, which denied the request twice (this is very uncommon), was asked by the FBI. The same FBI that kept us awake at night behind some silly ass emails, and that initially refused to investigate Trussia.

 Sounds like, to me, if a judge granted said warrant, after two attempts, (which was specifically targeted at a server that was being used to communicate with Russia, beyond the shadow of a doubt), that maybe, just maybe, there might be something to investigate? ....

You mean the server that the FBI said they found nothing on?

That contradicts what you've said, doesn't it?

[squatz1]

"The cardinal rule of the Obama administration was the fact that no official White house never interfered with any investigation under the supervision of the Ministry of justice. As part of the practice, neither President Obama nor any White house official, never gave orders to conduct surveillance of any citizen of the United States. Other claims are simply false." This was stated on Saturday in an official statement, the press Secretary of Barack Obama, Kevin Lewis

Sounds official. Even if they tapped some phones, which isn't unlikely, one cannot blurt out about that throwing accusations because it will become a tough job to prove anything. No evidence, case closed.
The wiser approach would have been to enjoy victory above Clinton and leave those nasty details unmentioned.

At least someone on the forum understands that the people in the Obama administration REALLY thought that they had the election in the bag and they really didn't think they'd have to be facing any oversight from Trump due to the fact of the high chances put forward by pollsters of a Clinton presidency.

I'm not saying that I fully believe that claims made by Trump, as there really is no evidence relating to it yet. I say yet because I feel that their is a chance that this is all true and revelations will come out in coming weeks relating to it.

Any claims by the press Secretary of Obama, Kevin Lewis are simply just going to deny anything simply on the fact that they wouldn't want to give light to anything along these lines.

[GreenBits]

Let me get this straight.

So you are saying that the head of the executive branch, not the judicial branch (with Mr. 'Let's Investigate' Comey), which would be the only arm of government that would be able to do this legally (and this was legal, because a judge approved it) ordered this survellience? A hostile judge, which denied the request twice (this is very uncommon), was asked by the FBI. The same FBI that kept us awake at night behind some silly ass emails, and that initially refused to investigate Trussia.

 Sounds like, to me, if a judge granted said warrant, after two attempts, (which was specifically targeted at a server that was being used to communicate with Russia, beyond the shadow of a doubt), that maybe, just maybe, there might be something to investigate? ....

You mean the server that the FBI said they found nothing on?

That contradicts what you've said, doesn't it?

How so?

When did the FBI investigate the server, which they can't do without a court order, before they investigated the server? This only happened once. With a court order. You do also know that no one in the White House can order this, right? This is a function if the legislative branch. Your friend Comey (who is certainly a friend of Trump) had to authorize this, given the level of the investigation (foreign intelligence).

So why are Trump's friends looking through his shit?

And the last time I checked, they were still looking  

And again, can you point out how I've contradicted myself?

I'm sorry you hated Obummer. But he really doesn't have the power to do what has been accused. It's not his job, he honestly wouldn't even be aware of this unless he was briefed. The FBI would have had to do this, as, you know, it's their job. Our president is in bed with the Russians, I am sorry this is a bitter pill to swallow. As hard as it is for you, it's even worse for the rest of us, because we didn't vote for this backwoods bastard. We are having to eat shit pie with the rest of America. Kinda like it must have felt under Obama.

Now if this was a drone strike, oh yeah, Obama did it. Put the fucking D in drone strike, if you ask me.

[GreenBits]

Y'all do know the judge had to have probable cause to issue that warrant, right? And they rejected the warrant twice before they accepted it?

And if all this is true, if Obama did do it, why is there so much outrage at a criminal investigation into some seemingly criminal shit, that was criminal enough on the surface for a federal judge to be like "No, Naw, wait, hot damn! Maybe you should check this out!". Aren't investigations supposed to be about uncovering the truth? And if there is nothing to hide, then what's the issue, friends?

The truth will set you free. Or get you locked up for treason.

[HabBear]

Spendulus, thanks for rehashing everything in the Conservative Tree House article. I'm glad you shared a source.

The additional concern I have is that this article doesn't actually provide an facts proving that Obama's White House issued an order to wire tap Trump. Your article says that this happened, and your article references a second article that says that this happened, but neither article references a source from a government agent or agency or anything that would resemble fact in a court to prove that the order was made.

These articles are just regurgitating the speculation, and speculation upon speculation or hearsay upon hearsay is still just hearsay.

Find me the article that proves Obama's FISA request to wire tap Trump. I'm not talking about another article that just says that it happened, but real proof. A statement from a government agency, a statement from a government official.

You gotta stop believing stuff just because it's online in some article or blog. Would you believe "Trump wire tapped Hillary during the election" if it came out on CNN.com? No.

Do you read anything but the tweets? Trump never has evidence, nothing ever comes forth. Trump talks shit and never has any serious action to back it up.....

Really?  Here 'ya go.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/03/the-shadow-government-timeline/

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; t

[popcorn1]

I just hope this is not TRUE.

Tony Blair denies he wants to be Trump's Middle East envoy | Politics ...
https://www.theguardian.com › World › Tony Blair
13 hours ago - Spokeswoman for former British PM rubbishes reports after meeting with US president's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

Tony Blair denies report he was offered job as Trump's Middle East ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Americas › US politics
15 hours ago - Tony Blair has dismissed a report he is in talks to become an adviser to US President Donald Trump as "an invention". ... The Mail on Sunday reported Mr Blair wanted to become a Middle East peace envoy for the President. ... Mr Blair has made no such ‘pitch’ to be the President‘s .


Who ever works with that guy is an ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.. .

So to MR TRUMP .Don't even bother or your just the same as them all..

A robbing lying lining his own pockets politician 

Not good for us peoples..

Now instead of PING PONG politics  ..Get the peoples areas built and create the jobs.TIME IS TICKING.

PLEASE keep tony blair away from politics ..

HE CAN FUCK WENDY DENG IF HE WANTS TOO..BUT keep him away from our lives FAR AWAY..

Also you keep going on about leaks..ALWAYS GOING TO BE LEAKS ..SO GET USED TO IT ..

The people will be informed about situations that will affect us all and nothing you can do about it..

BIG BROTHER IS NOT JUST IN THE PEOPLES LIVES IT'S IN EVERY ONES LIVES. .

Government likes to spy on the people ..The people will spy on the government..

How do you think you won MR TRUMP.   .The people spying on CLINTON.

And you even asked for it..So no complaining when things come out about you or your people..

Private things will not get published .Anything to do with our lives will..

YOU DON'T THINK WE CAN ALLOW OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS TO BE KILLED FOR NO REASON?..

We don't die to line some persons pockets ..We die to line all our pockets..


1 trillion on infrastructure..Nice just lets hope it's true..Will be watching though..
next 6 months roads should be getting done in your american areas ..

If not WHAT A FUCKING LIAR  ..

[freedomno1]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me if Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

[GreenBits]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/05/politics/fbi-justice-wiretapping-claim/index.html?adkey=bn

So, Comey himself is trying to quash #45s claims of being tapped by the former president. Mostly because it's bullshit, but partially because it makes the GOP, and himself, look bad.

This is the same Comey that fucked the free world when he opened his mouth to talk about Hillary and those goddamned emails ,(to a moderate or liberal, hear about those goddamned emails is akin to the frustration a Trump supporter feels when Russia is mentioned). So, that we have established Comey has no love for the Clinton's, what have we to say about this?

My president is orange.
Orange is the new black

[bryant.coleman]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

[Spendulus]

Spendulus, thanks for rehashing everything in the Conservative Tree House article. I'm glad you shared a source.

The additional concern I have is that this article doesn't actually provide an facts proving that Obama's White House issued an order to wire tap Trump. Your article says that this happened, and your article references a second article that says that this happened, but neither article references a source from a government agent or agency or anything that would resemble fact in a court to prove that the order was made.

These articles are just regurgitating the speculation, and speculation upon speculation or hearsay upon hearsay is still just hearsay.

Find me the article that proves Obama's FISA request to wire tap Trump. I'm not talking about another article that just says that it happened, but real proof. A statement from a government agency, a statement from a government official.

You gotta stop believing stuff just because it's online in some article or blog. Would you believe "Trump wire tapped Hillary during the election" if it came out on CNN.com? No.

Do you read anything but the tweets? Trump never has evidence, nothing ever comes forth. Trump talks shit and never has any serious action to back it up.....

Really?  Here 'ya go.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/03/the-shadow-government-timeline/

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; t

I see where you are going there. 

You'd like to see an email or a recorded call from Obama to Dept. of Justice on the matter. 

Has it occurred to you that the DOJ was certainly part of the Obama administration?  I don't have a problem with a couple of remarks by Obama in the hallway with someone in DOJ being the cause of this.

[tvbcof]

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This is the same Comey that fucked the free world when he opened his mouth to talk about Hillary and those goddamned emails ,(to a moderate or liberal, hear about those goddamned emails is akin to the frustration a Trump supporter feels when Russia is mentioned). So, that we have established Comey has no love for the Clinton's, what have we to say about this?
...

$10 says that if Comey didn't to this very minimal and fairly appropriate thing, the 650k pieces of 'content' from Weiner's laptop would have made it into the wild for a broader audience to analyze.  Hopefully at some point 'we, the people' will still get a chance to judge whether that content is or is not 'relevant' to our leadership choices...to the extent that we have many real choices in this respect.

I personally am pretty consistent.  I would like to see all the material on the 'Russia connection' no matter who it involved.  So would at least Roger Stone who is implicated by the media.  I doubt that much would be found, and probably nothing of any real consequence relative to the Trump campaign effort.  A fair bit more about other operatives who have been in power over the last few cycles I would bet.

As for the Weiner material, I suspect that it is at least a rich vein off the mother lode of material used to blackmail a fair number of those with influence in DC.  That I would dearly love to peruse, and I would expect it to change the face of U.S. politics and policy for a long time to come if it is released.  And change it for the better from a Joe Citizen point of view.

[GreenBits]

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This is the same Comey that fucked the free world when he opened his mouth to talk about Hillary and those goddamned emails ,(to a moderate or liberal, hear about those goddamned emails is akin to the frustration a Trump supporter feels when Russia is mentioned). So, that we have established Comey has no love for the Clinton's, what have we to say about this?
...

$10 says that if Comey didn't to this very minimal and fairly appropriate thing, the 650k pieces of 'content' from Weiner's laptop would have made it into the wild for a broader audience to analyze.  Hopefully at some point 'we, the people' will still get a chance to judge whether that content is or is not 'relevant' to our leadership choices...to the extent that we have many real choices in this respect.

I personally am pretty consistent.  I would like to see all the material on the 'Russia connection' no matter who it involved.  So would at least Roger Stone who is implicated by the media.  I doubt that much would be found, and probably nothing of any real consequence relative to the Trump campaign effort.  A fair bit more about other operatives who have been in power over the last few cycles I would bet.

As for the Weiner material, I suspect that it is at least a rich vein off the mother lode of material used to blackmail a fair number of those with influence in DC.  That I would dearly love to peruse, and I would expect it to change the face of U.S. politics and policy for a long time to come if it is released.  And change it for the better from a Joe Citizen point of view.

To hell with Weiner courting little girls. I wanna hear about Trump getting pissed on.

Alot of us can give a flying fuck about the Clintons. She was a shitty candidate. We could give fewer fucks because ultimately, she didn't win. So much easier and more important to focus on the fucked up stuff our actual, elected president is doing. Weiner is a pervert. This, isn't even debatable at this point.

[Sithara007]

To hell with Weiner courting little girls. I wanna hear about Trump getting pissed on.

Alot of us can give a flying fuck about the Clintons. She was a shitty candidate. We could give fewer fucks because ultimately, she didn't win. So much easier and more important to focus on the fucked up stuff our actual, elected president is doing. Weiner is a pervert. This, isn't even debatable at this point.

Weiner was made a scapegoat, to protect the reputation of the Clinton crime family. All he was doing was to recruit young girls to "service" the Clintons. It is well known that both Hillary and Bill have a weakness for minor girls.

[GreenBits]

To hell with Weiner courting little girls. I wanna hear about Trump getting pissed on.

Alot of us can give a flying fuck about the Clintons. She was a shitty candidate. We could give fewer fucks because ultimately, she didn't win. So much easier and more important to focus on the fucked up stuff our actual, elected president is doing. Weiner is a pervert. This, isn't even debatable at this point.

Weiner was made a scapegoat, to protect the reputation of the Clinton crime family. All he was doing was to recruit young girls to "service" the Clintons. It is well known that both Hillary and Bill have a weakness for minor girls.

Ah damn. You are one of those PizzaGate guys.

Let me tell you a secret. Really rich people do perverse shit, because they can.

Also, are we really gonna deny the small army of females that claimed the president sexually assaulted them? I wasn't going to bring it up, because it honestly doesn't reflect on the current shitshow, and it is unproven. There is enough to point out without bringing conjecture into it. Like saying that a surrogate wrangles pussy for a former president and his wife.

Good old number 45. The first president with rape charges.

This is going great, guys.

Again, fuck the Clintons. For some reason, conservative think we put her (or them) in that hallowed, Christ-like place that the dim put Trump. If she fucked up, lock her up. But don't have ignore the orange elephant in the room.

[Spendulus]

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Again, fuck the Clintons. For some reason, conservative think we put her (or them) in that hallowed, Christ-like place that the dim put Trump. If she fucked up, lock her up. But don't have ignore the orange elephant in the room.

Well, you know that there has been continual efforts to find shit that sticks on the Orange, and that goes back all the way into the Republican debates.

Good luck with that.  Easy enough to wait and see how it turns out.  I'd lay my money on the sleazy little Bamster doing the wire tapping.  Meanwhile you'd like some dirt on the Orange.  Why?  Why bother?

He might do some good things, and you've already shown no respect for the Clintons, so this is what we got...

I'll tell you what to expect.  The gangster Democroaks and their Saudi friends are going to go all out to try to win a couple of seats back in the House and the Senate in 2018.  That's what all this sleaze is really about.

[GreenBits]

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Again, fuck the Clintons. For some reason, conservative think we put her (or them) in that hallowed, Christ-like place that the dim put Trump. If she fucked up, lock her up. But don't have ignore the orange elephant in the room.

Well, you know that there has been continual efforts to find shit that sticks on the Orange, and that goes back all the way into the Republican debates.

Good luck with that.  Easy enough to wait and see how it turns out.  I'd lay my money on the sleazy little Bamster doing the wire tapping.  Meanwhile you'd like some dirt on the Orange.  Why?  Why bother?

He might do some good things, and you've already shown no respect for the Clintons, so this is what we got...

I'll tell you what to expect.  The gangster Democroaks and their Saudi friends are going to go all out to try to win a couple of seats back in the House and the Senate in 2018.  That's what all this sleaze is really about.

LOL, you may notice that Saudi Arabia was not included in the travel ban, despite being one of the greatest sources of extremist. Seems like he may have a few Saudi friends as well.

Why do I want a possible treason committed by the POTUS to be exposed? Guess I'm just old fashioned.

And how much do you respect ole Bamster? Should I read your posting history? Because I think we would all know what we would find. Take your lumps lIke a man, like we did.

And why am I supposed to be kissing Clinton ass again? I have issues with her as well. Its just, she never said she was gonna grab anyone by the pussy. And then get elected. And then fuck it all up.

Now maybe Bill might have grabbed some pussy. I'd put money on that.

And yall are fucked in '18

Have you checked the odds on 45 getting impeached?

Bigly.

[tvbcof]

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As for the Weiner material, I suspect that it is at least a rich vein off the mother lode of material used to blackmail a fair number of those with influence in DC.  That I would dearly love to peruse, and I would expect it to change the face of U.S. politics and policy for a long time to come if it is released.  And change it for the better from a Joe Citizen point of view.

To hell with Weiner courting little girls. I wanna hear about Trump getting pissed on.

Alot of us can give a flying fuck about the Clintons. She was a shitty candidate. We could give fewer fucks because ultimately, she didn't win. So much easier and more important to focus on the fucked up stuff our actual, elected president is doing. Weiner is a pervert. This, isn't even debatable at this point.

Weiner as an individual perv is not a big deal.  His unique situation relative to Abedin and thus HRC, Schumer, etc makes him as an individual slightly more interesting.

The big pay-dirt here could be the data on Weiner's laptop.  If it contains information which is being used to blackmail or influence people in the government and is released into the public domain it means that the influence the extortionists had vanishes and the extortion-ees will no longer be 'serving' us.  Further, people will be on the lookout for this type of dynamic for some time to come.

[farl2web]

This is the political games begin. But I do not think that Trump is worth something to say about Obama, because he is not at all in the political overhang ardne. Obama is weak and it is not necessary to have. Go back he just does not think.

[sportis]

The American president expresses his allegations at a time where he receives a very strong criticism, because it turned out that his colleagues had improper contacts with representatives of the Kremlin. One of them is the attorney general Jeff Sessions, was forced to opt out of the investigations related to the involvement of Russia in the election campaign. So Trump tries to without providing any evidence for the assertion of he claims that his predecessor in the White House "trapped" the phones of Trump Tower in last October, a few weeks before the polls at November 8 so that the world's attention to focus on a scandal Watergate-style.

[freedomno1]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. As a result they threw Sanders under a bus hard and lost.

It's a gimmicky strategy but this fits with what they consider the progressive agenda, unfortunately for them Donald Trump became the POTUS and they lost the congress the senate and the presidency in elections and soon the court will be back to Scalia era again making it a split court but the tilt is in the Republican party to do what they please.

Of course the minor courts are still democrats and some cities are rebelling especially the Sanctuary cities whose funding is getting cut and their tax advantages for census purposes. Either way I can see why Obama would be that desperate he knew he was outmaneuvered and could only use the bully pulpit to condemn Republicans now all they can do is spend money to make protests and use their 90% monopoly on the media.

[RJX]

Such a big claim whereas the individuals involved roll it out as if they're two kids in a kindergarten sandbox.  Even if it's true: what else is new in land of unlimited possibilities?

[Lancusters]

Such a big claim whereas the individuals involved roll it out as if they're two kids in a kindergarten sandbox.  Even if it's true: what else is new in land of unlimited possibilities?

I'm sure Trump is no evidence of Obama's guilt. PR is a show that proves once again that the trump the fool. God save America from this monkey with a grenade.

[s0nix]

Now everyone is waiting for the evidence. Alternative facts or Breitbart news?
The current situation looks like he's a liar.

[yellow1]

Now everyone is waiting for the evidence. Alternative facts or Breitbart news?
The current situation looks like he's a liar.

I read that there's no evidence yet. And I don't think there will one as well. Purely heresay and accusations on the part of the President of USA.

[Spendulus]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. ....

Minor correction.

The first lesbian woman president.

You know, I have nothing against her cuddle buddy Huma Aberdin.

Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

[tvbcof]

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Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

Is she now?  Or would it just be handy for some projects if she were?

[Daniel91]

Now everyone is waiting for the evidence. Alternative facts or Breitbart news?
The current situation looks like he's a liar.

I read that there's no evidence yet. And I don't think there will one as well. Purely heresay and accusations on the part of the President of USA.

I don't think that he need any evidence.
Do you remember what his team members said recently: ''alternative facts'' ?
So, if Trump don't like facts, he just change this real facts with alternative facts or reality and suddenly everybody are confuse and don't know what is the truth.
I'm sure that this crazy statement is well planned strategy to attack democrats and to confuse public.
It's working for now.
Nobody is sure any more where truth and real facts end and lies and ''alternative'' facts starts.
If you want to understand what is going on here, I suggest to read book ''1984'' by George Orwell.

[Spendulus]

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Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

Is she now?  Or would it just be handy for some projects if she were?

My mistake.  She is American born Muslim, raised until an adult in Saudi Arabia.

Abedin was born on July 28, 1976,[7] in Kalamazoo, Michigan, to Syed Zainul Abedin (1928–93) and Saleha Mahmood Abedin.[4][8] Abedin is of Indian and Pakistani descent, and has a sister, Heba, and a brother.[9]

At the age of two, Abedin moved with her family to Jeddah (Saudi Arabia), where she was raised and lived until returning to the United States for college....

Both of her parents were educators. Her father, born in New Delhi (India) on April 2, 1928,[10] was an Islamic and Middle Eastern scholar of Indian descent, who received his Ph.D. from the University of Pennsylvania, and then in 1978 founded the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_Abedin#Personal_life

[tvbcof]

Got around to listening to some mainstream on this issue.

For one thing, one doesn't 'wire tap' these days.  One normally splits fiber optics.  I wonder if Trump didn't deliberately give his opposition an opportunity to dig a hole deeper.  He did use quotes around 'wire tap' in his tweets.

Secondly, the mainstream is hammering on 'warrants.'  I'm more interested in whether the Obama administration and operatives got access to data at all irrespective of how legal or quasi-legal in may have been.

Thirdly, the real power of what the NSA has been doing is not in capturing data.  It is in storing it.  I'll be most interested to find out if the archives have been dug into, and if so, by whom and how deeply.

Obama's parting gift of allowing '16 intelligence agencies' access to raw data before it is filtered made just weeks before he left the whitehouse is clearly not something that happened for no reason.  This needs to be explored further and I would hope that sending it to congress might help...or might not.  If Trump ends up keeping this Obama gift for his own use it will not be a good sign.

---

On the Bitcoin front, I would caution people to seriously consider the dynamics when:

 1) Multiple 'intelligence' agencies have free access to a wide variety of gathered information about probable everyone.  Almost certainly including financial data.

 2) The current administration is vocally in favor of civil asset forfeiture.

 3) Just about every time an government employee is involved in investigating a Bitcoiner they seem to either go rouge and steal (e.g., silk road) or leverage the impossibility of a victim to defend themselves to royally screw them (e.g., BurtW.)

Seems that the common case in the U.S. is that one president starts something bad, then the next one adopts it, augments it with their own bad ideas, then the public gets screwed.  I hope that this is not the case so much with Trump but it's far to early to know and 'hope' is not a very good strategy.

[bitbunnni]

Got around to listening to some mainstream on this issue.

For one thing, one doesn't 'wire tap' these days.  One normally splits fiber optics.  I wonder if Trump didn't deliberately give his opposition an opportunity to dig a hole deeper.  He did use quotes around 'wire tap' in his tweets.

Secondly, the mainstream is hammering on 'warrants.'  I'm more interested in whether the Obama administration and operatives got access to data at all irrespective of how legal or quasi-legal in may have been.

Thirdly, the real power of what the NSA has been doing is not in capturing data.  It is in storing it.  I'll be most interested to find out if the archives have been dug into, and if so, by whom and how deeply.

Obama's parting gift of allowing '16 intelligence agencies' access to raw data before it is filtered made just weeks before he left the whitehouse is clearly not something that happened for no reason.  This needs to be explored further and I would hope that sending it to congress might help...or might not.  If Trump ends up keeping this Obama gift for his own use it will not be a good sign.

---

On the Bitcoin front, I would caution people to seriously consider the dynamics when:

 1) Multiple 'intelligence' agencies have free access to a wide variety of gathered information about probable everyone.  Almost certainly including financial data.

 2) The current administration is vocally in favor of civil asset forfeiture.

 3) Just about every time an government employee is involved in investigating a Bitcoiner they seem to either go rouge and steal (e.g., silk road) or leverage the impossibility of a victim to defend themselves to royally screw them (e.g., BurtW.)

Seems that the common case in the U.S. is that one president starts something bad, then the next one adopts it, augments it with their own bad ideas, then the public gets screwed.  I hope that this is not the case so much with Trump but it's far to early to know and 'hope' is not a very good strategy.

But if we compare the Trump and Obama, it's two different people and their political views on different things, too, are fundamentally different. It did not really trying to fix mistakes predecessor, and adds to their turnover.

[Spendulus]

Got around to listening to some mainstream on this issue.

For one thing, one doesn't 'wire tap' these days.  One normally splits fiber optics.  I wonder if Trump didn't deliberately give his opposition an opportunity to dig a hole deeper.  He did use quotes around 'wire tap' in his tweets.

Secondly, the mainstream is hammering on 'warrants.'  I'm more interested in whether the Obama administration and operatives got access to data at all irrespective of how legal or quasi-legal in may have been.

Thirdly, the real power of what the NSA has been doing is not in capturing data.  It is in storing it.  I'll be most interested to find out if the archives have been dug into, and if so, by whom and how deeply.

Obama's parting gift of allowing '16 intelligence agencies' access to raw data before it is filtered made just weeks before he left the whitehouse is clearly not something that happened for no reason.  This needs to be explored further and I would hope that sending it to congress might help...or might not.  If Trump ends up keeping this Obama gift for his own use it will not be a good sign.

---

On the Bitcoin front, I would caution people to seriously consider the dynamics when:

 1) Multiple 'intelligence' agencies have free access to a wide variety of gathered information about probable everyone.  Almost certainly including financial data.

 2) The current administration is vocally in favor of civil asset forfeiture.

 3) Just about every time an government employee is involved in investigating a Bitcoiner they seem to either go rouge and steal (e.g., silk road) or leverage the impossibility of a victim to defend themselves to royally screw them (e.g., BurtW.)

Seems that the common case in the U.S. is that one president starts something bad, then the next one adopts it, augments it with their own bad ideas, then the public gets screwed.  I hope that this is not the case so much with Trump but it's far to early to know and 'hope' is not a very good strategy.

Good analysis of the, ah, not so good.

Here's a decent article reviewing the matter of Obama et. al. spying on Trump.

Which he did.  So let's get over that hump, of "Did it happen?"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/03/06/obama-spying-trump-fisa-tapping-glenn-reynolds-column/98779170/

[Sithara007]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. ....

Minor correction.

The first lesbian woman president.

You know, I have nothing against her cuddle buddy Huma Aberdin.

Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

There are rumors about Hillary that she was bisexual. But I have never found any evidence to prove that she was attracted to men. On the other hand, it is very evident that she likes the women, especially little girls. So you may be right. She would have become the first lesbian president of the United States.

[GreenBits]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. ....

Minor correction.

The first lesbian woman president.

You know, I have nothing against her cuddle buddy Huma Aberdin.

Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

There are rumors about Hillary that she was bisexual. But I have never found any evidence to prove that she was attracted to men. On the other hand, it is very evident that she likes the women, especially little girls. So you may be right. She would have become the first lesbian president of the United States.

Really? Link me to some evidence. Something reputable.

[Spendulus]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. ....

Minor correction.

The first lesbian woman president.

You know, I have nothing against her cuddle buddy Huma Aberdin.

Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

There are rumors about Hillary that she was bisexual. But I have never found any evidence to prove that she was attracted to men. On the other hand, it is very evident that she likes the women, especially little girls. So you may be right. She would have become the first lesbian president of the United States.

Really? Link me to some evidence. Something reputable.

  What planet are you from, to ask a question like that? 

Hillary's preference for women has never been denied.

Side note:  I don't recall evidence about the "little girls" part.

[GreenBits]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. ....

Minor correction.

The first lesbian woman president.

You know, I have nothing against her cuddle buddy Huma Aberdin.

Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

There are rumors about Hillary that she was bisexual. But I have never found any evidence to prove that she was attracted to men. On the other hand, it is very evident that she likes the women, especially little girls. So you may be right. She would have become the first lesbian president of the United States.

Really? Link me to some evidence. Something reputable.

  What planet are you from, to ask a question like that? 

Hillary's preference for women has never been denied.

Side note:  I don't recall evidence about the "little girls" part.

Planet Earth. The 3rd rock, if you will. But since I have had my head under a rock apparently, when I missed solid evidence of Hillary Rodham Clinton being a lesbian. Surely you can point me to this prolific evidence? I imagine you should be able to provide lots of links, from reputable sources, no?

[Sithara007]

Planet Earth. The 3rd rock, if you will. But since I have had my head under a rock apparently, when I missed solid evidence of Hillary Rodham Clinton being a lesbian. Surely you can point me to this prolific evidence? I imagine you should be able to provide lots of links, from reputable sources, no?

Will this work?

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/07/how-close-are-huma-abedin-and-hillary-clinton-169489?slide=0

I don't have any private videos showing Hillary having sex with Huma, if you only want videographic evidence. Seems like they didn't stored their private pics and videos in iCloud.

[GreenBits]

Planet Earth. The 3rd rock, if you will. But since I have had my head under a rock apparently, when I missed solid evidence of Hillary Rodham Clinton being a lesbian. Surely you can point me to this prolific evidence? I imagine you should be able to provide lots of links, from reputable sources, no?

Will this work?

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/07/how-close-are-huma-abedin-and-hillary-clinton-169489?slide=0

I don't have any private videos showing Hillary having sex with Huma, if you only want videographic evidence. Seems like they didn't stored their private pics and videos in iCloud.

I read Politico about 6 times a day (literally), so I was surprised you chose this source. So I read the article (looked at the pictures mostly, not alot of text). I didn't really get a lesbian vibe, more of an asshole vibe from Hillary. Huma is floating around the background holding some shit for Hillary (giant bag, papers). Reminds me of Anne Hathaway in the 'Devil Wears Prada'. But nah, this is no more close than I would expect two females that have been working together for almost a decade to behave. And Weiner is seriously, seriously into poon; I'm thinking he wouldn't have married a lesbian. This is not a one chick dude. At one point, she was putting out, even if that may have changed.

Unfortunately, this won't work. Any other sources?

[Spendulus]

Planet Earth. The 3rd rock, if you will. But since I have had my head under a rock apparently, when I missed solid evidence of Hillary Rodham Clinton being a lesbian. Surely you can point me to this prolific evidence? I imagine you should be able to provide lots of links, from reputable sources, no?

Will this work?

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/07/how-close-are-huma-abedin-and-hillary-clinton-169489?slide=0

I don't have any private videos showing Hillary having sex with Huma, if you only want videographic evidence. Seems like they didn't stored their private pics and videos in iCloud.

I read Politico about 6 times a day (literally), so I was surprised you chose this source. So I read the article (looked at the pictures mostly, not alot of text). I didn't really get a lesbian vibe, more of an asshole vibe from Hillary. Huma is floating around the background holding some shit for Hillary (giant bag, papers). Reminds me of Anne Hathaway in the 'Devil Wears Prada'. But nah, this is no more close than I would expect two females that have been working together for almost a decade to behave. And Weiner is seriously, seriously into poon; I'm thinking he wouldn't have married a lesbian. This is not a one chick dude. At one point, she was putting out, even if that may have changed.

Unfortunately, this won't work. Any other sources?

No offense but your logic above bolded does not hold.  These people are after power and control, marriages of convenience are likely quite common.  That certainly includes the Bill/Hillary and the Weiner/Huma ones.

Google Hillary lesbian, have fun.  It's been an open secret for decades.  Numerous cases Bill Clinton has said this.

By the way when I mentioned this I wasn't disparaging Hillary, but just noting that no I don't want a lesbian POTUS with a Muslim squeeze from the Middle East.  That stinks to high heavan.

[tvbcof]

No offense but your logic above bolded does not hold.  These people are after power and control, marriages of convenience are likely quite common.  That certainly includes the Bill/Hillary and the Weiner/Huma ones.

Google Hillary lesbian, have fun.  It's been an open secret for decades.  Numerous cases Bill Clinton has said this.

By the way when I mentioned this I wasn't disparaging Hillary, but just noting that no I don't want a lesbian POTUS with a Muslim squeeze from the Middle East.  That stinks to high heavan.

Rumor is that one of the things on Weiner's laptop is a vid of HRC and Abedin teaming up on the sexual abuse a female minor.  I have not idea if the rumor is true, but I would not rule it out.  Basically, to be 'eligible' for (establishment sponsorship for) as high a position as POTUS, such goodies probably do need to exist in the archives of certain intelligence collectors.  That's how I read things at least.

[DD-Lex]

No offense but your logic above bolded does not hold.  These people are after power and control, marriages of convenience are likely quite common.  That certainly includes the Bill/Hillary and the Weiner/Huma ones.

Google Hillary lesbian, have fun.  It's been an open secret for decades.  Numerous cases Bill Clinton has said this.

By the way when I mentioned this I wasn't disparaging Hillary, but just noting that no I don't want a lesbian POTUS with a Muslim squeeze from the Middle East.  That stinks to high heavan.

Rumor is that one of the things on Weiner's laptop is a vid of HRC and Abedin teaming up on the sexual abuse a female minor.  I have not idea if the rumor is true, but I would not rule it out.  Basically, to be 'eligible' for (establishment sponsorship for) as high a position as POTUS, such goodies probably do need to exist in the archives of certain intelligence collectors.  That's how I read things at least.

Wow. Where the world is going. I did not hear such details of the intimate life of such outstanding people. Even the yellow press about secretly accentuates attention. And what is the orientation of Billy?

[tvbcof]

No offense but your logic above bolded does not hold.  These people are after power and control, marriages of convenience are likely quite common.  That certainly includes the Bill/Hillary and the Weiner/Huma ones.

Google Hillary lesbian, have fun.  It's been an open secret for decades.  Numerous cases Bill Clinton has said this.

By the way when I mentioned this I wasn't disparaging Hillary, but just noting that no I don't want a lesbian POTUS with a Muslim squeeze from the Middle East.  That stinks to high heavan.

Rumor is that one of the things on Weiner's laptop is a vid of HRC and Abedin teaming up on the sexual abuse a female minor.  I have not idea if the rumor is true, but I would not rule it out.  Basically, to be 'eligible' for (establishment sponsorship for) as high a position as POTUS, such goodies probably do need to exist in the archives of certain intelligence collectors.  That's how I read things at least.

Wow. Where the world is going. I did not hear such details of the intimate life of such outstanding people. Even the yellow press about secretly accentuates attention. And what is the orientation of Billy?

Straight, and with a penchant for violence when he engages in rape.  So I've read.

[GreenBits]

Planet Earth. The 3rd rock, if you will. But since I have had my head under a rock apparently, when I missed solid evidence of Hillary Rodham Clinton being a lesbian. Surely you can point me to this prolific evidence? I imagine you should be able to provide lots of links, from reputable sources, no?

Will this work?

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/07/how-close-are-huma-abedin-and-hillary-clinton-169489?slide=0

I don't have any private videos showing Hillary having sex with Huma, if you only want videographic evidence. Seems like they didn't stored their private pics and videos in iCloud.

I read Politico about 6 times a day (literally), so I was surprised you chose this source. So I read the article (looked at the pictures mostly, not alot of text). I didn't really get a lesbian vibe, more of an asshole vibe from Hillary. Huma is floating around the background holding some shit for Hillary (giant bag, papers). Reminds me of Anne Hathaway in the 'Devil Wears Prada'. But nah, this is no more close than I would expect two females that have been working together for almost a decade to behave. And Weiner is seriously, seriously into poon; I'm thinking he wouldn't have married a lesbian. This is not a one chick dude. At one point, she was putting out, even if that may have changed.

Unfortunately, this won't work. Any other sources?

No offense but your logic above bolded does not hold.  These people are after power and control, marriages of convenience are likely quite common.  That certainly includes the Bill/Hillary and the Weiner/Huma ones.

Google Hillary lesbian, have fun.  It's been an open secret for decades.  Numerous cases Bill Clinton has said this.

By the way when I mentioned this I wasn't disparaging Hillary, but just noting that no I don't want a lesbian POTUS with a Muslim squeeze from the Middle East.  That stinks to high heavan.

LOL, so you would rather have a reality television host, that won't release his taxes or divest, but you are afraid of a lesbian with decades of political experience, that has actually served in the White House?

What's your beef with lesbians? I thought Rebuplicans believed in meritocracy. If she does eat box, how would that affect her ability to lead? I wanted Bernie, but either one of them has more experience that the POTUS.

Are you that afraid of a woman, bro?

And don't you think it's odd, how we got leaks on Flynn and Sessions, but this damning evidence that would certainly sink the Clintons forever, make them out to be the AntiChrist you guys paint her as (she just a really rich old white woman as far as I see), has never surfaced after all these years?

And if she is lesbian, she keeps her shit tight. Trump can't even have pissplay with sex workers without fucking it up.

So, I think I favor the ninja lesbian over the failed businessman. Maybe we wouldn't have all these leaks. Running a child sex ring (ROFL, you guys are on that shit) must make for a shrewd ship.

Trump could suck dicks on camera for Scooby Snacks. I could give a single fuck. I just want someone with policies that make fucking sense. Put Bill back in that bitch. He wasn't even that fond of us, Blacks, but at least we wouldn't be buddy fucking Russia and calling our intelligence agencies and media the enemy. Got caught getting his dick sucked, and lied about the shit, but still wasn't derp enough to accuse the media of being the enemy. And when the Monica shit was going down (which was childhood popcorn) the media was not friend of the Clintons.


Hell, I'd take Bush Jr again, for 3 more terms, at this point.

[Spendulus]

Planet Earth. The 3rd rock, if you will. But since I have had my head under a rock apparently, when I missed solid evidence of Hillary Rodham Clinton being a lesbian. Surely you can point me to this prolific evidence? I imagine you should be able to provide lots of links, from reputable sources, no?

Will this work?

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/07/how-close-are-huma-abedin-and-hillary-clinton-169489?slide=0

I don't have any private videos showing Hillary having sex with Huma, if you only want videographic evidence. Seems like they didn't stored their private pics and videos in iCloud.

I read Politico about 6 times a day (literally), so I was surprised you chose this source. So I read the article (looked at the pictures mostly, not alot of text). I didn't really get a lesbian vibe, more of an asshole vibe from Hillary. Huma is floating around the background holding some shit for Hillary (giant bag, papers). Reminds me of Anne Hathaway in the 'Devil Wears Prada'. But nah, this is no more close than I would expect two females that have been working together for almost a decade to behave. And Weiner is seriously, seriously into poon; I'm thinking he wouldn't have married a lesbian. This is not a one chick dude. At one point, she was putting out, even if that may have changed.

Unfortunately, this won't work. Any other sources?

No offense but your logic above bolded does not hold.  These people are after power and control, marriages of convenience are likely quite common.  That certainly includes the Bill/Hillary and the Weiner/Huma ones.

Google Hillary lesbian, have fun.  It's been an open secret for decades.  Numerous cases Bill Clinton has said this.

By the way when I mentioned this I wasn't disparaging Hillary, but just noting that no I don't want a lesbian POTUS with a Muslim squeeze from the Middle East.  That stinks to high heavan.

LOL, so you would rather have a reality television host, that won't release his taxes or divest, but you are afraid of a lesbian with decades of political experience, that has actually served in the White House?

What's your beef with lesbians? I thought Rebuplicans believed in meritocracy. If she does eat box, how would that affect her ability to lead? I wanted Bernie, but either one of them has more experience that the POTUS.

Are you that afraid of a woman, bro?

And don't you think it's odd, how we got leaks on Flynn and Sessions, but this damning evidence that would certainly sink the Clintons forever, make them out to be the AntiChrist you guys paint her as (she just a really rich old white woman as far as I see), has never surfaced after all these years?

And if she is lesbian, she keeps her shit tight. Trump can't even have pissplay with sex workers without fucking it up.

So, I think I favor the ninja lesbian over the failed businessman. Maybe we wouldn't have all these leaks. Running a child sex ring (ROFL, you guys are on that shit) must make for a shrewd ship.

Trump could suck dicks on camera for Scooby Snacks. I could give a single fuck. I just want someone with policies that make fucking sense. Put Bill back in that bitch. He wasn't even that fond of us, Blacks, but at least we wouldn't be buddy fucking Russia and calling our intelligence agencies and media the enemy. Got caught getting his dick sucked, and lied about the shit, but still wasn't derp enough to accuse the media of being the enemy. And when the Monica shit was going down (which was childhood popcorn) the media was not friend of the Clintons.


Hell, I'd take Bush Jr again, for 3 more terms, at this point.

DAMN!!!

YOU'D TAKE BUSH JR?

HEY, BRO. 

You afraid of a businessman POTUS?   (Lol...)

[GreenBits]

Planet Earth. The 3rd rock, if you will. But since I have had my head under a rock apparently, when I missed solid evidence of Hillary Rodham Clinton being a lesbian. Surely you can point me to this prolific evidence? I imagine you should be able to provide lots of links, from reputable sources, no?

Will this work?

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/07/how-close-are-huma-abedin-and-hillary-clinton-169489?slide=0

I don't have any private videos showing Hillary having sex with Huma, if you only want videographic evidence. Seems like they didn't stored their private pics and videos in iCloud.

I read Politico about 6 times a day (literally), so I was surprised you chose this source. So I read the article (looked at the pictures mostly, not alot of text). I didn't really get a lesbian vibe, more of an asshole vibe from Hillary. Huma is floating around the background holding some shit for Hillary (giant bag, papers). Reminds me of Anne Hathaway in the 'Devil Wears Prada'. But nah, this is no more close than I would expect two females that have been working together for almost a decade to behave. And Weiner is seriously, seriously into poon; I'm thinking he wouldn't have married a lesbian. This is not a one chick dude. At one point, she was putting out, even if that may have changed.

Unfortunately, this won't work. Any other sources?

No offense but your logic above bolded does not hold.  These people are after power and control, marriages of convenience are likely quite common.  That certainly includes the Bill/Hillary and the Weiner/Huma ones.

Google Hillary lesbian, have fun.  It's been an open secret for decades.  Numerous cases Bill Clinton has said this.

By the way when I mentioned this I wasn't disparaging Hillary, but just noting that no I don't want a lesbian POTUS with a Muslim squeeze from the Middle East.  That stinks to high heavan.

LOL, so you would rather have a reality television host, that won't release his taxes or divest, but you are afraid of a lesbian with decades of political experience, that has actually served in the White House?

What's your beef with lesbians? I thought Rebuplicans believed in meritocracy. If she does eat box, how would that affect her ability to lead? I wanted Bernie, but either one of them has more experience that the POTUS.

Are you that afraid of a woman, bro?

And don't you think it's odd, how we got leaks on Flynn and Sessions, but this damning evidence that would certainly sink the Clintons forever, make them out to be the AntiChrist you guys paint her as (she just a really rich old white woman as far as I see), has never surfaced after all these years?

And if she is lesbian, she keeps her shit tight. Trump can't even have pissplay with sex workers without fucking it up.

So, I think I favor the ninja lesbian over the failed businessman. Maybe we wouldn't have all these leaks. Running a child sex ring (ROFL, you guys are on that shit) must make for a shrewd ship.

Trump could suck dicks on camera for Scooby Snacks. I could give a single fuck. I just want someone with policies that make fucking sense. Put Bill back in that bitch. He wasn't even that fond of us, Blacks, but at least we wouldn't be buddy fucking Russia and calling our intelligence agencies and media the enemy. Got caught getting his dick sucked, and lied about the shit, but still wasn't derp enough to accuse the media of being the enemy. And when the Monica shit was going down (which was childhood popcorn) the media was not friend of the Clintons.


Hell, I'd take Bush Jr again, for 3 more terms, at this point.

DAMN!!!

YOU'D TAKE BUSH JR?

HEY, BRO. 

You afraid of a businessman POTUS?   (Lol...)

No, Id rather take a guy that wants to 'make love with OBGYN' then a guy that has lied to half of my country about his intentions. As cement block fucking dumb as Bush was, we had none of this scandal, none of this international condenatiom. He fooled the fools, selling the lie that trickle down economics actually works. I'm mad because I see the same person that Hillary is accused of being, the same pandering to corporate interest, the same corruption, but because he makes the weak feel safe by spouting rhetoric about building a fucking wall, and getting a convenient boogeyman (foreigners). If you were going to get a Hillary with a dick, you might as well have taken Hillary. She is a politician. Agent Orange is an insult to a proud democracy, that, while not perfect, is ours. We let the puppy shit the carpet, and noone wants to clear it up.

[Sithara007]

No offense but your logic above bolded does not hold.  These people are after power and control, marriages of convenience are likely quite common.  That certainly includes the Bill/Hillary and the Weiner/Huma ones.

Google Hillary lesbian, have fun.  It's been an open secret for decades.  Numerous cases Bill Clinton has said this.

By the way when I mentioned this I wasn't disparaging Hillary, but just noting that no I don't want a lesbian POTUS with a Muslim squeeze from the Middle East.  That stinks to high heavan.

Rumor is that one of the things on Weiner's laptop is a vid of HRC and Abedin teaming up on the sexual abuse a female minor.  I have not idea if the rumor is true, but I would not rule it out.  Basically, to be 'eligible' for (establishment sponsorship for) as high a position as POTUS, such goodies probably do need to exist in the archives of certain intelligence collectors.  That's how I read things at least.

It is not a secret that Weiner kept some videographic evidence on Hillary, probably for the purpose of blackmailing her later. Weiner probably leaked the evidence from Abedin's personal computer.

[barbarah]

The funniest thing in all this, to me at least, is the mentioning of Russia.
Russia if you're listening, it was the russians hackers and so on I don't know why Clinton and Obama are so worried about possible Russian threat, we are no longer living in Cold War time!

It really seems the Trump administration wants a cold war so they have an enemy they can conquer and say where the greatest.
Obama had his in Bin Laden so Trump has to have his ...
fill in the blanks.

[tvbcof]

Got around to listening to some mainstream on this issue.

For one thing, one doesn't 'wire tap' these days.  One normally splits fiber optics.  I wonder if Trump didn't deliberately give his opposition an opportunity to dig a hole deeper.  He did use quotes around 'wire tap' in his tweets.

Secondly, the mainstream is ...

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/325648-trump-was-right-after-all-on-the-obama-wiretapping

Bah Ha Ha!

"I recognize the lion by his paw" and this one looks to me a lot like it belongs to Steve Bannon

Wonder how much longer Turley will be free to opine at The Hill?

[Spendulus]

...As cement block fucking dumb as Bush was...

Bush Jr. wasn't dumb.

[tvbcof]

...As cement block fucking dumb as Bush was...

Bush Jr. wasn't dumb.

I've always suspected that he was significantly effected by substance abuse, but that he probably was not naively stupid.  Un-interested perhaps.  He was in the 25th percentile in terms of aptitude when Papa Bush got in into the Texas air national guard to keep him out of combat yet he graduated around the middle and was briefly able to operate a military jet aircraft (unless that was stagecraft which I would not rule out.)  That says something to me about his capabilities.

As prez, GW had a 6 year string of getting everything he wanted as soon as he wanted out of the Dems so it's funny to hear them call him dumb.  OTOH, he was an installed puppet who probably did little or no strategy or planning on his own.  Most presidents of modern times have been this way, but GW was among the most obvious in this regard.

An entertaining hypothesis I ran across recently is that GW's grandfather through his mother was Aleister Crowley.  That would be hilarious.

[Sithara007]

...As cement block fucking dumb as Bush was...

Bush Jr. wasn't dumb.

He was definitely not dumb, at least when compared to the disaster which succeeded him. That said, Bush Jr. was arrogant at times, and his adventures (such as the Iraq invasion) inflated the American federal debt by quite a bit.

[sourris01]

...As cement block fucking dumb as Bush was...

Bush Jr. wasn't dumb.

I've always suspected that he was significantly effected by substance abuse, but that he probably was not naively stupid.  Un-interested perhaps.  He was in the 25th percentile in terms of aptitude when Papa Bush got in into the Texas air national guard to keep him out of combat yet he graduated around the middle and was briefly able to operate a military jet aircraft (unless that was stagecraft which I would not rule out.)  That says something to me about his capabilities.

As prez, GW had a 6 year string of getting everything he wanted as soon as he wanted out of the Dems so it's funny to hear them call him dumb.  OTOH, he was an installed puppet who probably did little or no strategy or planning on his own.  Most presidents of modern times have been this way, but GW was among the most obvious in this regard.

An entertaining hypothesis I ran across recently is that GW's grandfather through his mother was Aleister Crowley.  That would be hilarious.

We can laugh at Trump and Bush, because of their psychological and visual data, but each of them does not have something that Obama did not have. The firmness of their intentions and tough stance on some political issues have never been given to Obama.

[Spendulus]

...As cement block fucking dumb as Bush was...

Bush Jr. wasn't dumb.

I've always suspected that he was significantly effected by substance abuse, but that he probably was not naively stupid.  Un-interested perhaps.  He was in the 25th percentile in terms of aptitude when Papa Bush got in into the Texas air national guard to keep him out of combat yet he graduated around the middle and was briefly able to operate a military jet aircraft (unless that was stagecraft which I would not rule out.)  That says something to me about his capabilities.

As prez, GW had a 6 year string of getting everything he wanted as soon as he wanted out of the Dems so it's funny to hear them call him dumb.  ....

Indeed.

What is known for certain is the existance of a long, carefully orchestrated propaganda campaign to make people think Bush was dumb.

[Sithara007]

...As cement block fucking dumb as Bush was...

Bush Jr. wasn't dumb.

I've always suspected that he was significantly effected by substance abuse, but that he probably was not naively stupid.  Un-interested perhaps.  He was in the 25th percentile in terms of aptitude when Papa Bush got in into the Texas air national guard to keep him out of combat yet he graduated around the middle and was briefly able to operate a military jet aircraft (unless that was stagecraft which I would not rule out.)  That says something to me about his capabilities.

As prez, GW had a 6 year string of getting everything he wanted as soon as he wanted out of the Dems so it's funny to hear them call him dumb.  ....

Indeed.

What is known for certain is the existance of a long, carefully orchestrated propaganda campaign to make people think Bush was dumb.

All around the world, the liberals have used mainstream media propaganda to their maximum use. Look at their current campaign against Donald Trump. They are constantly lying and twisting the facts according to their own liking.

[tvbcof]

Indeed.

What is known for certain is the existance of a long, carefully orchestrated propaganda campaign to make people think Bush was dumb.

I think so.  A strategy inspired by Sun Tsu's observations about the odds for those who don't know their enemy I'm guessing.

In the present I strongly suspect that Trump is unusually intelligent (and I still hold out hope that he will prove worth supporting) so I stay mum with quite amusement when the neo-progressives go on and on about how stupid the guy is.

What is extra funny is that most of the neo-progressives have no clue whatsoever about themselves either.  That is, they are being used like bitches by people who are the antithesis of what most of them think right and good.  They have no chance whatsoever, but the battle will be unpleasant none-the-less and I would prefer that it is somehow avoided.

[GreenBits]

...As cement block fucking dumb as Bush was...

Bush Jr. wasn't dumb.

I've always suspected that he was significantly effected by substance abuse, but that he probably was not naively stupid.  Un-interested perhaps.  He was in the 25th percentile in terms of aptitude when Papa Bush got in into the Texas air national guard to keep him out of combat yet he graduated around the middle and was briefly able to operate a military jet aircraft (unless that was stagecraft which I would not rule out.)  That says something to me about his capabilities.

As prez, GW had a 6 year string of getting everything he wanted as soon as he wanted out of the Dems so it's funny to hear them call him dumb.  ....

Indeed.

What is known for certain is the existance of a long, carefully orchestrated propaganda campaign to make people think Bush was dumb.

All around the world, the liberals have used mainstream media propaganda to their maximum use. Look at their current campaign against Donald Trump. They are constantly lying and twisting the facts according to their own liking.

Says the guy from the crew that gives us Breitbart, and InfoWars.

Let me get this off my chest. Evangelicals, I'm calling you out. You as well Middle America.

Please stop teaching your kids to distrust authority because you don't agree with it. This fake news bullshit sounds dumb. Here are some truths to ponder:

A social network is the reason why the game 'pass the message' always goes so horribly. People only disseminate news they agree with.

Just because something is liberal, doesn't mean it's fake. People get sued when actual fake news starts being disseminated. This is why reputable outlets don't really fuck with this, too much brand at stake. Ask Dan Rather about this.

Don't label something as liberal just because it criticixes The Fool. He's just, really fucking easy to criticize. The only apologist for Trump are the ignorant poor, the extremely rich, and those that want him not to get impeached until the GOP has its turn with America. Quick, she's passed out. Get the boys and a camera.

Liberal media lacks the tartness of fearmongering, huh? You miss the flavor of paranoia from your news? And it wouldn't be so bad if people just admitted they don't agree with a news source, and moved on, but the shit championed at truth in lieu of a reputable, established outlets is absurd.

Alex Jones is a crazy head. And he wasn't always, it was a gradual thing.

[Spendulus]

Indeed.

What is known for certain is the existance of a long, carefully orchestrated propaganda campaign to make people think Bush was dumb.

I think so.  A strategy inspired by Sun Tsu's observations about the odds for those who don't know their enemy I'm guessing.

In the present I strongly suspect that Trump is unusually intelligent (and I still hold out hope that he will prove worth supporting) so I stay mum with quite amusement when the neo-progressives go on and on about how stupid the guy is.

What is extra funny is that most of the neo-progressives have no clue whatsoever about themselves either.  That is, they are being used like bitches by people who are the antithesis of what most of them think right and good.  They have no chance whatsoever, but the battle will be unpleasant none-the-less and I would prefer that it is somehow avoided.

Repeatedly in the last year, one gets the impression that the number and importance of things going on under the table is far more important than what's on top of the table.

Hence, liberal screaming pantywaists talking about that latest juicy item laid on top of the table.....

well, they just are not where things are happening.