Big: Donald Trump claims Obama spyied him, claims this is Watergate-level event

[farl2web]

This is the political games begin. But I do not think that Trump is worth something to say about Obama, because he is not at all in the political overhang ardne. Obama is weak and it is not necessary to have. Go back he just does not think.

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[sportis]

The American president expresses his allegations at a time where he receives a very strong criticism, because it turned out that his colleagues had improper contacts with representatives of the Kremlin. One of them is the attorney general Jeff Sessions, was forced to opt out of the investigations related to the involvement of Russia in the election campaign. So Trump tries to without providing any evidence for the assertion of he claims that his predecessor in the White House "trapped" the phones of Trump Tower in last October, a few weeks before the polls at November 8 so that the world's attention to focus on a scandal Watergate-style.

[freedomno1]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. As a result they threw Sanders under a bus hard and lost.

It's a gimmicky strategy but this fits with what they consider the progressive agenda, unfortunately for them Donald Trump became the POTUS and they lost the congress the senate and the presidency in elections and soon the court will be back to Scalia era again making it a split court but the tilt is in the Republican party to do what they please.

Of course the minor courts are still democrats and some cities are rebelling especially the Sanctuary cities whose funding is getting cut and their tax advantages for census purposes. Either way I can see why Obama would be that desperate he knew he was outmaneuvered and could only use the bully pulpit to condemn Republicans now all they can do is spend money to make protests and use their 90% monopoly on the media.

[RJX]

Such a big claim whereas the individuals involved roll it out as if they're two kids in a kindergarten sandbox.  Even if it's true: what else is new in land of unlimited possibilities?

[Lancusters]

Such a big claim whereas the individuals involved roll it out as if they're two kids in a kindergarten sandbox.  Even if it's true: what else is new in land of unlimited possibilities?

I'm sure Trump is no evidence of Obama's guilt. PR is a show that proves once again that the trump the fool. God save America from this monkey with a grenade.

[s0nix]

Now everyone is waiting for the evidence. Alternative facts or Breitbart news?
The current situation looks like he's a liar.

[yellow1]

Now everyone is waiting for the evidence. Alternative facts or Breitbart news?
The current situation looks like he's a liar.

I read that there's no evidence yet. And I don't think there will one as well. Purely heresay and accusations on the part of the President of USA.

[Spendulus]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. ....

Minor correction.

The first lesbian woman president.

You know, I have nothing against her cuddle buddy Huma Aberdin.

Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

[tvbcof]

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Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

Is she now?  Or would it just be handy for some projects if she were?

[Daniel91]

Now everyone is waiting for the evidence. Alternative facts or Breitbart news?
The current situation looks like he's a liar.

I read that there's no evidence yet. And I don't think there will one as well. Purely heresay and accusations on the part of the President of USA.

I don't think that he need any evidence.
Do you remember what his team members said recently: ''alternative facts'' ?
So, if Trump don't like facts, he just change this real facts with alternative facts or reality and suddenly everybody are confuse and don't know what is the truth.
I'm sure that this crazy statement is well planned strategy to attack democrats and to confuse public.
It's working for now.
Nobody is sure any more where truth and real facts end and lies and ''alternative'' facts starts.
If you want to understand what is going on here, I suggest to read book ''1984'' by George Orwell.

[Spendulus]

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Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

Is she now?  Or would it just be handy for some projects if she were?

My mistake.  She is American born Muslim, raised until an adult in Saudi Arabia.

Abedin was born on July 28, 1976,[7] in Kalamazoo, Michigan, to Syed Zainul Abedin (1928–93) and Saleha Mahmood Abedin.[4][8] Abedin is of Indian and Pakistani descent, and has a sister, Heba, and a brother.[9]

At the age of two, Abedin moved with her family to Jeddah (Saudi Arabia), where she was raised and lived until returning to the United States for college....

Both of her parents were educators. Her father, born in New Delhi (India) on April 2, 1928,[10] was an Islamic and Middle Eastern scholar of Indian descent, who received his Ph.D. from the University of Pennsylvania, and then in 1978 founded the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_Abedin#Personal_life

[tvbcof]

Got around to listening to some mainstream on this issue.

For one thing, one doesn't 'wire tap' these days.  One normally splits fiber optics.  I wonder if Trump didn't deliberately give his opposition an opportunity to dig a hole deeper.  He did use quotes around 'wire tap' in his tweets.

Secondly, the mainstream is hammering on 'warrants.'  I'm more interested in whether the Obama administration and operatives got access to data at all irrespective of how legal or quasi-legal in may have been.

Thirdly, the real power of what the NSA has been doing is not in capturing data.  It is in storing it.  I'll be most interested to find out if the archives have been dug into, and if so, by whom and how deeply.

Obama's parting gift of allowing '16 intelligence agencies' access to raw data before it is filtered made just weeks before he left the whitehouse is clearly not something that happened for no reason.  This needs to be explored further and I would hope that sending it to congress might help...or might not.  If Trump ends up keeping this Obama gift for his own use it will not be a good sign.

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On the Bitcoin front, I would caution people to seriously consider the dynamics when:

 1) Multiple 'intelligence' agencies have free access to a wide variety of gathered information about probable everyone.  Almost certainly including financial data.

 2) The current administration is vocally in favor of civil asset forfeiture.

 3) Just about every time an government employee is involved in investigating a Bitcoiner they seem to either go rouge and steal (e.g., silk road) or leverage the impossibility of a victim to defend themselves to royally screw them (e.g., BurtW.)

Seems that the common case in the U.S. is that one president starts something bad, then the next one adopts it, augments it with their own bad ideas, then the public gets screwed.  I hope that this is not the case so much with Trump but it's far to early to know and 'hope' is not a very good strategy.

[bitbunnni]

Got around to listening to some mainstream on this issue.

For one thing, one doesn't 'wire tap' these days.  One normally splits fiber optics.  I wonder if Trump didn't deliberately give his opposition an opportunity to dig a hole deeper.  He did use quotes around 'wire tap' in his tweets.

Secondly, the mainstream is hammering on 'warrants.'  I'm more interested in whether the Obama administration and operatives got access to data at all irrespective of how legal or quasi-legal in may have been.

Thirdly, the real power of what the NSA has been doing is not in capturing data.  It is in storing it.  I'll be most interested to find out if the archives have been dug into, and if so, by whom and how deeply.

Obama's parting gift of allowing '16 intelligence agencies' access to raw data before it is filtered made just weeks before he left the whitehouse is clearly not something that happened for no reason.  This needs to be explored further and I would hope that sending it to congress might help...or might not.  If Trump ends up keeping this Obama gift for his own use it will not be a good sign.

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On the Bitcoin front, I would caution people to seriously consider the dynamics when:

 1) Multiple 'intelligence' agencies have free access to a wide variety of gathered information about probable everyone.  Almost certainly including financial data.

 2) The current administration is vocally in favor of civil asset forfeiture.

 3) Just about every time an government employee is involved in investigating a Bitcoiner they seem to either go rouge and steal (e.g., silk road) or leverage the impossibility of a victim to defend themselves to royally screw them (e.g., BurtW.)

Seems that the common case in the U.S. is that one president starts something bad, then the next one adopts it, augments it with their own bad ideas, then the public gets screwed.  I hope that this is not the case so much with Trump but it's far to early to know and 'hope' is not a very good strategy.

But if we compare the Trump and Obama, it's two different people and their political views on different things, too, are fundamentally different. It did not really trying to fix mistakes predecessor, and adds to their turnover.

[Spendulus]

Got around to listening to some mainstream on this issue.

For one thing, one doesn't 'wire tap' these days.  One normally splits fiber optics.  I wonder if Trump didn't deliberately give his opposition an opportunity to dig a hole deeper.  He did use quotes around 'wire tap' in his tweets.

Secondly, the mainstream is hammering on 'warrants.'  I'm more interested in whether the Obama administration and operatives got access to data at all irrespective of how legal or quasi-legal in may have been.

Thirdly, the real power of what the NSA has been doing is not in capturing data.  It is in storing it.  I'll be most interested to find out if the archives have been dug into, and if so, by whom and how deeply.

Obama's parting gift of allowing '16 intelligence agencies' access to raw data before it is filtered made just weeks before he left the whitehouse is clearly not something that happened for no reason.  This needs to be explored further and I would hope that sending it to congress might help...or might not.  If Trump ends up keeping this Obama gift for his own use it will not be a good sign.

---

On the Bitcoin front, I would caution people to seriously consider the dynamics when:

 1) Multiple 'intelligence' agencies have free access to a wide variety of gathered information about probable everyone.  Almost certainly including financial data.

 2) The current administration is vocally in favor of civil asset forfeiture.

 3) Just about every time an government employee is involved in investigating a Bitcoiner they seem to either go rouge and steal (e.g., silk road) or leverage the impossibility of a victim to defend themselves to royally screw them (e.g., BurtW.)

Seems that the common case in the U.S. is that one president starts something bad, then the next one adopts it, augments it with their own bad ideas, then the public gets screwed.  I hope that this is not the case so much with Trump but it's far to early to know and 'hope' is not a very good strategy.

Good analysis of the, ah, not so good.

Here's a decent article reviewing the matter of Obama et. al. spying on Trump.

Which he did.  So let's get over that hump, of "Did it happen?"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/03/06/obama-spying-trump-fisa-tapping-glenn-reynolds-column/98779170/

[Sithara007]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. ....

Minor correction.

The first lesbian woman president.

You know, I have nothing against her cuddle buddy Huma Aberdin.

Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

There are rumors about Hillary that she was bisexual. But I have never found any evidence to prove that she was attracted to men. On the other hand, it is very evident that she likes the women, especially little girls. So you may be right. She would have become the first lesbian president of the United States.

[GreenBits]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. ....

Minor correction.

The first lesbian woman president.

You know, I have nothing against her cuddle buddy Huma Aberdin.

Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

There are rumors about Hillary that she was bisexual. But I have never found any evidence to prove that she was attracted to men. On the other hand, it is very evident that she likes the women, especially little girls. So you may be right. She would have become the first lesbian president of the United States.

Really? Link me to some evidence. Something reputable.

[Spendulus]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. ....

Minor correction.

The first lesbian woman president.

You know, I have nothing against her cuddle buddy Huma Aberdin.

Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

There are rumors about Hillary that she was bisexual. But I have never found any evidence to prove that she was attracted to men. On the other hand, it is very evident that she likes the women, especially little girls. So you may be right. She would have become the first lesbian president of the United States.

Really? Link me to some evidence. Something reputable.

  What planet are you from, to ask a question like that? 

Hillary's preference for women has never been denied.

Side note:  I don't recall evidence about the "little girls" part.

[GreenBits]

When it was Trump or Clinton the American public decided we may as well get a show out of it.
In the end both candidates are still terrible.
Either way it would not surprise me of Obama tapped Trump tower but the government denies the fact well just another story to munch popcorn for.

Obama has done it even before the POTUS elections, and I have no doubt that he might have done something similar to Trump. He was quite desperate to have a Democrat successor.

Yep the democrat plan was basically 8 Years Obama (Black Man) followed by 8 Years Hillary (White Woman) but also the first woman president, then either a black woman like Michelle Obama or a LGBTQ member. ....

Minor correction.

The first lesbian woman president.

You know, I have nothing against her cuddle buddy Huma Aberdin.

Except that Aberdin is Iranian.

There are rumors about Hillary that she was bisexual. But I have never found any evidence to prove that she was attracted to men. On the other hand, it is very evident that she likes the women, especially little girls. So you may be right. She would have become the first lesbian president of the United States.

Really? Link me to some evidence. Something reputable.

  What planet are you from, to ask a question like that? 

Hillary's preference for women has never been denied.

Side note:  I don't recall evidence about the "little girls" part.

Planet Earth. The 3rd rock, if you will. But since I have had my head under a rock apparently, when I missed solid evidence of Hillary Rodham Clinton being a lesbian. Surely you can point me to this prolific evidence? I imagine you should be able to provide lots of links, from reputable sources, no?

[Sithara007]

Planet Earth. The 3rd rock, if you will. But since I have had my head under a rock apparently, when I missed solid evidence of Hillary Rodham Clinton being a lesbian. Surely you can point me to this prolific evidence? I imagine you should be able to provide lots of links, from reputable sources, no?

Will this work?

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/07/how-close-are-huma-abedin-and-hillary-clinton-169489?slide=0

I don't have any private videos showing Hillary having sex with Huma, if you only want videographic evidence. Seems like they didn't stored their private pics and videos in iCloud.

[GreenBits]

Planet Earth. The 3rd rock, if you will. But since I have had my head under a rock apparently, when I missed solid evidence of Hillary Rodham Clinton being a lesbian. Surely you can point me to this prolific evidence? I imagine you should be able to provide lots of links, from reputable sources, no?

Will this work?

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/07/how-close-are-huma-abedin-and-hillary-clinton-169489?slide=0

I don't have any private videos showing Hillary having sex with Huma, if you only want videographic evidence. Seems like they didn't stored their private pics and videos in iCloud.

I read Politico about 6 times a day (literally), so I was surprised you chose this source. So I read the article (looked at the pictures mostly, not alot of text). I didn't really get a lesbian vibe, more of an asshole vibe from Hillary. Huma is floating around the background holding some shit for Hillary (giant bag, papers). Reminds me of Anne Hathaway in the 'Devil Wears Prada'. But nah, this is no more close than I would expect two females that have been working together for almost a decade to behave. And Weiner is seriously, seriously into poon; I'm thinking he wouldn't have married a lesbian. This is not a one chick dude. At one point, she was putting out, even if that may have changed.

Unfortunately, this won't work. Any other sources?